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2008-09-23 by Wayne J. Cosshall
Hi All, HP has announced a new large format printer: http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=1459 Cheers, Wayne Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/
2008-09-23 by sinar001
So what's new in this printer? Chromatic Red ink??? Wonder if that will be available for the Z3100? John Nollendorfs --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne J. Cosshall" <dimi@...> wrote:
> > Hi All, > > HP has announced a new large format printer: > http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=1459 > > Cheers, > > Wayne > > Wayne J. Cosshall > Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ > Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ >
2008-09-23 by Cdtobie
I didn't see a lot that jumped out as new; but I was quite suprised to see the phrase "gallery-quality black and white and color prints"... A phrase lifted wholesale from Datacolor's marketing materials, and which I recognized immediately, having struggled a good deal crafting the phrase in the first place. I guess we should have copyrighted it! C. D. Tobie WW Product Technology Mngr. Digital Imaging & Home Theater DataColor.com CDTobie@DataColor.com
On Sep 23, 2008, at 5:10 PM, "sinar001" <jnolly@...> wrote: > So what's new in this printer? Chromatic Red ink??? Wonder if that > will be available for the Z3100? > > John Nollendorfs > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Wayne J. > Cosshall" <dimi@...> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> HP has announced a new large format printer: >> http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=1459 >> >> Cheers, >> >> Wayne >> >> Wayne J. Cosshall >> Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker, http://www.dimagemaker.com/ >> Blog http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See “Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines” in > the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE “OWNE > R” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DA > MAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE L > OSSES (EVEN IF THE “OWNER” AND “MODERATORS” OF DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH D > AMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIG > ITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTER > ATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF > ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) AN > Y OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
2008-09-23 by Eric Neilsen
"I guess we should have copyrighted it!" Trademarked, in your logo perhaps ; ) Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 http://e.neilsen.home.att.net http://ericneilsenphotography.com Skype ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Cdtobie Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:09 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: HP Z3200 New Large Format Printer I didn't see a lot that jumped out as new; but I was quite suprised to see the phrase "gallery-quality black and white and color prints"... A phrase lifted wholesale from Datacolor's marketing materials, and which I recognized immediately, having struggled a good deal crafting the phrase in the first place. I guess we should have copyrighted it! C. D. Tobie WW Product Technology Mngr. Digital Imaging & Home Theater DataColor.com CDTobie@DataColor. <mailto:CDTobie%40DataColor.com> com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-09-24 by Ernst Dinkla
sinar001 wrote: > So what's new in this printer? Chromatic Red ink??? Wonder if that > will be available for the Z3100? Unlikely to happen. Like it didn't happen on Epsons and Canons. The black and red head is also changed to the Z3100 one. I will ask today why ? but I guess it is a 4 picoliter version where the Z3100 one had a 6 picoliter for Red. That should translate to different dithering/weaving/color control etc. I wonder whether the B&W actually is improved, the Z3100 B&W is already very good. Could be smaller black droplets too but will the Dmax then be as nice as on the Z3100. There's a new HP Baryta paper too, more suited for the Vivera pigment ink. On rolls. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2008-09-24 by jimrohan2002
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote: > "gallery-quality black and white and color prints"... A phrase lifted wholesale from Datacolor's marketing materials, and which I recognized immediately, having struggled a good deal crafting the phrase in the first place. I guess we should have copyrighted it! In the digital buzz word world, "gallery quality b&w and color prints" sounds pretty generic to me. Kinda like trying to copyright the phrase "Have a nice day" in the real world. I give you both credit for not using the term "giclee", however. Jim Rohan Jim Rohan Imaging
2008-09-24 by Wayne J. Cosshall
Yup, it is unclear to me just how much of an improvement the Z3200 will be. Will have to wait till I can try one. The paper sounds interesting. Cheers, Wayne Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker: http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog: http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ Personal art site http://www.cosshall.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-09-24 by Ernst Dinkla
Ernst Dinkla wrote: > sinar001 wrote: >> So what's new in this printer? Chromatic Red ink??? Wonder if that >> will be available for the Z3100? > > Unlikely to happen. Like it didn't happen on Epsons and > Canons. The black and red head is also changed to the Z3100 > one. I will ask today why ? but I guess it is a 4 picoliter > version where the Z3100 one had a 6 picoliter for Red. That > should translate to different dithering/weaving/color > control etc. > > I wonder whether the B&W actually is improved, the Z3100 B&W > is already very good. Could be smaller black droplets too > but will the Dmax then be as nice as on the Z3100. > > There's a new HP Baryta paper too, more suited for the > Vivera pigment ink. On rolls. > No chance that the new Red will appear on the Z3100. The Black/Red head change is not related to droplet size. B&W printing isn't changed. Speed about 20% higher on the Z3200. The new paper transport rollers are used on the Z3200. More 16 bit features but I couldn't grasp all the information on that (his English was worse than mine and no other language possible between us). Some driver issues solved, some issues still there. I foresee even more compatibility issues with Qimage if their intention to automatically eliminate double profiling issues between Photoshop and the Z3200 driver is added in further upgrades. Told them (again) that the default CM setting in the B&W printer shortcut is in contradiction with their own CM recommendation for B&W printing. That was still in the Z3200 driver. Mentioned the different Z3100 owners experiences on print lengths and the lack of a banners mode to overcome that length issue when using Qimage. Could be a good reason to use one of the other brands for potential customers. No comment on my question whether a 17" with similar technology will appear, "everyone asks that" is what they say. At least they noticed that. Mentioned that the latest firmware upgrade for the Z3100 is available for Mac users but the Windows one still isn't after they had withdrawn the corrupted installer for it. They had noticed that it wasn't available on the site anymore but didn't know the reason. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2008-09-25 by Bill Morse
Hi Wayne- I've had the 3200 for a few months, and I am very happy with it. The biggest improvement is certainly with matte (and to a lesser extent, but still noticeable with gloss) media and saturated reds, especially dark saturated reds. For most photography not a big issue, but welcome nonetheless. For painting reproductions, a big improvement. I don't believe the reds are going to be improved in the z3100 [image: sad.gif] The other big improvement is the ability to adjust how much GE you use. I had printed on GFS with the 3100, bad gloss diff and bronzing. The 3200 and the 3100 with the new driver allows GE to be adjusted by a large degree, both less and more GE. GFS prints beautifully! You can choose whether or not to cut the leading edge of gloss papers- Nice! But I can't figure out why you would want cut them; that's another story. You can choose to skip the alignment check when you load sheet paper, which for quick proofs is helpful. For final prints, I always check the alignment. The new HP Baryte paper is beautiful, and I have been very happy with the B/W as well as the color prints on it. So far, the nicest B/W paper I've printed on. Nice finish, and nice feel. More comments later Bill Bill Morse Wm. Morse Editions http://www.MorseEditions.com/ On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:08 PM, Wayne J. Cosshall <dimi@...>wrote: > Yup, it is unclear to me just how much of an improvement the Z3200 > will be. Will have to wait till I can try one. The paper sounds > interesting. > > > Cheers, > > Wayne > > Wayne J. Cosshall > Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker: http://www.dimagemaker.com/ > Blog: http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ > Personal art site http://www.cosshall.com/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-09-25 by Ernst Dinkla
Bill Morse wrote: > The other big improvement is the ability to adjust how much GE you use. I > had printed on GFS with the 3100, bad gloss diff and bronzing. The 3200 and > the 3100 with the new driver allows GE to be adjusted by a large degree, > both less and more GE. GFS prints beautifully! That's nice. Could do that with the Wasatch Softrip on the Z3100 and it really improves the control on gloss, semi gloss but the Wasatch isn't good on the Z3100 11 inks control. Has the image only GE application changed too that it will print RGB 255 in the image? That's what the Wasatch also does correctly. I have made a profile for a paper to get that right with Photoshop + the driver but use a printer filter curve in Qimage to fix that for more papers, no influence on the image itself. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2008-09-25 by Bill Morse
Don't know, Ernst. I usually use full page GE. Not sure why not to. Thanks for all your reporting from the show. Bill On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 2:59 AM, Ernst Dinkla <edinkla@...>wrote: > Has the image only GE application changed too that > it will print RGB 255 in the image? > > -- > Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst > > | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | > | www.pigment-print.com | > | ( unvollendet ) | > > -- Regards, Bill Morse Wm. Morse Editions http://www.MorseEditions.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2008-09-25 by Wayne J. Cosshall
Thanks Bill, that is most useful. I've just got my Z3100 running again after it was inactive for a while during the setup of a new joint studio for my wife. That's all done now, so we have a decent place to work, her painting area at one end, my computer/printer area at the other and a nice shared center area for framing, etc. Ahhh, it is nic eto be printing again. Cheers, Wayne Wayne J. Cosshall Publisher, The Digital ImageMaker: http://www.dimagemaker.com/ Blog: http://www.digitalimagemakerworld.com/ Personal art site http://www.cosshall.com/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]