Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
I've just started printing on Moab Colorado (and various RC papers for proofing) and am getting hues very different from what I'm used to with MK ink and matt papers.

The prints on all the lustre papers are much warmer than I've had with matt papers - even a 100% cool setting is much warmer than I'd expect.

In the end I've given up and accepted a warm tone and am printing this exhibition very warm. They look very good, but I'm puzzled as to why QTR can't make my 2100 produce the same hues as it does with the MK and the matt paper curves.

The setup is: Epson 2100, QTR, OEM PK, UC inks.

thanks,
Richard

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   "If I knew I was going to live this long, I'd have taken better care of
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   --Mickey Mantle

Didn't you have a big problem getting reasonable blacks just a day or
two ago? 

Sounds like bad ink...when you say OEM "MK and PK" do you mean
virginal Epson OEM carts or something non-standard... ?

Using 2200 I've long been sold on Moab... loved the old Kayenta, (now
Lasal Matte)...use that to proof Entrada Bright...and more often,
Entrada Natural and Museo Portfolio Rag ( maybe +3C if I want totally
neutral Natural and Rag...same as with HPR). +++ it seems to me
there's literally no variation across those papers except for the
obvious bright vs natural+++I've only used a few test sheets of
Colorado Matte and lost them...can't comment on that paper except that
I thought at the time that it was redundant with Entrada... 

Switching to glossy (& changing machines to R800), I use Moab Lasal
Gloss and a remaining cache of old Costco Kirkland glossy
interchangably...again, they seem tonally identical to Lasal Matte
(Kayenta). 

My ultimate favorite fine paper is now Moab Colorado Satine
Fiber...unfortunately nfg on 2200 because of gloss differential and
bronzing... Satine is absolutely perfect with my $50 Ebay R800 test
machine...I'm looking for a similarly cheap 1800 (same OEM carts). 

John





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I've just started printing on Moab Colorado (and various RC papers
for proofing) and am getting hues very different from what I'm used to
with MK ink and matt papers.

> 
> The setup is: Epson 2100, QTR, OEM PK, UC inks.
> 
 
> 
>

Hi Richard,

> I've just started printing on Moab Colorado (and various 
> RC papers for proofing) and am getting hues very different 
> from what I'm used to with MK ink and matt papers.
> 
> The prints on all the lustre papers are much warmer than 
> I've had with matt papers - 

Yes, PK carbon inks on glossy papers are very warm.  The only neutral 
100% carbon solution I've found is 100% Eboni (no diluted) that is 
then sprayed after printing. See near the end of 
http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/R1800.htm  I cover several options.

> even a 100% cool setting is much warmer than I'd expect.

If you have LM and LC in the printer, you can make a profile that 
will be neutral on glossy paper.  I was using an approach similar to 
this for a while.  See http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4K+.pdf 


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com