Digital BW, The Print

Hi,
a quick note to say that Moab are releasing Kayenta again, do to demand.

Richard

--
www.richardsmallfield.com  

   "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one 
   I've never tried before." 
   --Mae West (1892-1980)

Thanks, Richard, I heard that too. Kayenta was the first Moab
paper I tried and was sorry to see it go. I started using Lasal
because Moab suggested it as a worthy replacement.  But I like Lasal
also, can't really tell much difference. Have you tried Lasal? Perhaps
you, or others who may join us, can enlighten me how these two
compare. I will very likely order some Kayenta, I was glad to see it
come back, and happy to see a company that responds to customer requests.

Are they OBA papers? Is it true that OBA papers are not as archival?

Thanks,

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@...> wrote:

>
> Hi,
> a quick note to say that Moab are releasing Kayenta again, do to demand.
> 
> Richard
> 
> --
> www.richardsmallfield.com  
> 
>    "When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one 
>    I've never tried before." 
>    --Mae West (1892-1980)
>

Hello Richard,

>a quick note to say that Moab are releasing Kayenta again, do to 
>demand.

You beat me to it :)  

This is really good news.  Kayenta was one of my favorites, for Eboni
BO and K3.  I hope it really is the same and not some "improved" version.

For anyone who hasn't used it, it's bright white, cold toned (gorgeous
with Eboni), excellent dmax, and double-sided.  It's also fairly thin
(205 gsm), which can be good or bad depending on the use.  But it's
definitely in a class by itself and was a keenly felt loss.  I'm glad
they listened.

I have only a few sheets left so I'm going to order a box.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

So, Clayton, can you tell me how it differs from Lasal? To my
untrained eye, I couldn't really tell much difference. 

Kayenta with a single Eboni cartridge on my R220, with your excellent
website, got me started on BO printing. I owe a big thanks to you for
a good start in the digital printing world!

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
> 
> >a quick note to say that Moab are releasing Kayenta again, do to 
> >demand.
> 
> You beat me to it :)  
> 
> This is really good news.  Kayenta was one of my favorites, for Eboni
> BO and K3.  I hope it really is the same and not some "improved"
version.

> 
> For anyone who hasn't used it, it's bright white, cold toned (gorgeous
> with Eboni), excellent dmax, and double-sided.  It's also fairly thin
> (205 gsm), which can be good or bad depending on the use.  But it's
> definitely in a class by itself and was a keenly felt loss.  I'm glad
> they listened.
> 
> I have only a few sheets left so I'm going to order a box.
> 
> Regards,
> Clayton
> 
> 
> Info on black and white digital printing at    
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm
>

This IS good news if they haven't changed the formulation!  Can anyone here 
tell me if the 17"x25" cut sheets will fit into a Epson 4800 paper tray?  My 
ruler says no, but I'm hoping someone here has real world experience with 
the cut sheets (I believe the previous available incarnation was the same 
size).

Tks in advance.

-Lloyd

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Whiting" <paulmwhiting@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:05 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Kayenta


So, Clayton, can you tell me how it differs from Lasal? To my
untrained eye, I couldn't really tell much difference.

Kayenta with a single Eboni cartridge on my R220, with your excellent
website, got me started on BO printing. I owe a big thanks to you for
a good start in the digital printing world!

Paul

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Clayton Jones"
<cj@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Richard,
>
> >a quick note to say that Moab are releasing Kayenta again, do to
> >demand.
>
> You beat me to it :)
>
> This is really good news.  Kayenta was one of my favorites, for Eboni
> BO and K3.  I hope it really is the same and not some "improved"
version.
>
> For anyone who hasn't used it, it's bright white, cold toned (gorgeous
> with Eboni), excellent dmax, and double-sided.  It's also fairly thin
> (205 gsm), which can be good or bad depending on the use.  But it's
> definitely in a class by itself and was a keenly felt loss.  I'm glad
> they listened.
>
> I have only a few sheets left so I'm going to order a box.
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
> I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm
>



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Hello Paul,

>So, Clayton, can you tell me how it differs from Lasal? To my
>untrained eye, I couldn't really tell much difference. 

Sorry, I never used Lasal.  When it first came out some people said it
was the same, then later people said it was different, then I stopped
reading much about it.  I've never seen or used any.


 
>Kayenta with a single Eboni cartridge on my R220, with your excellent
>website, got me started on BO printing. I owe a big thanks to you for
>a good start in the digital printing world!

Thanks, that's the best feedback I could get.  Helping others get
started was the prime motivation for it all.  Thank goodness it's not
as difficult as it was in those days.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
I-Trak 2.1   http://www.cjcom.net/itrak.htm

I took a closer look when I discovered I still had some Kayenta left.
It seems (again, through my untrained eye) ever so slightly less white
than the Lasal, and it has a bit more texture... the Lasal has a
smoother surface.

> Sorry, I never used Lasal.  When it first came out some people said it
> was the same, then later people said it was different, then I stopped
> reading much about it.  I've never seen or used any.

At 09:37 a.m. Sunday 18/01/2009, you wrote:
>I took a closer look when I discovered I still had some Kayenta left.
>It seems (again, through my untrained eye) ever so slightly less white
>than the Lasal, and it has a bit more texture... the Lasal has a
>smoother surface.

How does the dmax compare?

PremierArt Matt BW is an excellent similar paper.

Richard

--
www.richardsmallfield.com 

   "I never notice what has been done. I only see what remains 
   to be done."
   --Madame Curie

Fair question, Richard, I can't answer that yet. I'll make two prints
of the same image and look at them side by side and get back to you
later today.

Paul

> How does the dmax compare?
> 
> PremierArt Matt BW is an excellent similar paper.
> 
> Richard
> 
> --
> www.richardsmallfield.com 
> 
>    "I never notice what has been done. I only see what remains 
>    to be done."
>    --Madame Curie
>

Finally got a chance to print the same image on the two papers. I
chose a file with sizable areas of black, yet with some shadow detail.
The first print was on Lasal, but for some reason I had a lot trouble
getting the Kayenta to load in my R1800. Both were on 5 x7 stock. The
Kayenta would either shoot through blank, or simply "hiccup" and
refuse to load. I tried curving the paper slightly, giving it a nudge,
but then, oddly, when I had the curve going the "wrong" way, ie
concave side down, it took.

Well, that's not the subject at hand. The two were very, very close in
Dmax. I actually found myself leaning toward the Lasal, the DMax was
just a touch deeper, and it bit whiter as well. I think both papers
use OBAs. As I said before, the Lasal is smoother. The Lasal is
slightly smoother, comes in at 235 weight (what is that, gm/m2?) and
the Kayenta is 205. Maybe the difference in surface and weight could
account for my loading problems with the Kayenta, or maybe my printer
chose that particular moment to signal I need a roller cleaning.

That's the best I can tell you, I'm very new at digital printing and
just learning to know what to look for. Hope that tells you something
useful!

I'm eager to try that Premier Art paper, that's the one Paul Roark
speaks highly of, isn't it?

Paul

> How does the dmax compare?
> 
> PremierArt Matt BW is an excellent similar paper.
> 
> Richard
> 
> --
> www.richardsmallfield.com

The only type of paper I have had trouble getting to load in my R1800 
has been Kayenta. I had the same exact experience as you did.

Pat Kalbaugh
Juneau, AK

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At 02:44 PM 1/18/2009, you wrote:

>Finally got a chance to print the same image on the two papers. I
>chose a file with sizable areas of black, yet with some shadow detail.
>The first print was on Lasal, but for some reason I had a lot trouble
>getting the Kayenta to load in my R1800. Both were on 5 x7 stock. The
>Kayenta would either shoot through blank, or simply "hiccup" and
>refuse to load. I tried curving the paper slightly, giving it a nudge,
>but then, oddly, when I had the curve going the "wrong" way, ie
>concave side down, it took.

That's really good to know, Pat, I appreciate very much hearing that.
I was beginning to think it was my printer. What paper(s) do you prefer?

Paul

> The only type of paper I have had trouble getting to load in my R1800 
> has been Kayenta. I had the same exact experience as you did.
> 
> Pat Kalbaugh
> Juneau, AK