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How to know what tone the print will be?

How to know what tone the print will be?

2009-04-04 by garrett.tom30

Here's my set-up: Epson 1280 dedicated to MIS EB6 ink set for B&W
                  Not using QTR, just printer setting.
                  
Results have been quite good but print tones vary, mostly with a
change of papers. That is understandable.  What I don't understand is
I tried printing on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk and really like the dark
brownish rich tones of the paper.  I printed 3 different photos all
with the same settings resulting in the desired tone.  A fourth print
(different photo) was nowhere close to the tone of the other three
photos.  With everything being the same as the first 3 prints, why isn't the 4th print very similar to the other?  Can someone please enlighten me?  Thanks.
Tom

Re: How to know what tone the print will be?

2009-04-04 by steve_wadlington

It depends on the overall tonality of the print. Different dilutions have different degrees of warmth. A predominately light print will look different than a predominately dark print.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garrett.tom30" <garrett.tom30@...> wrote:
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> Here's my set-up: Epson 1280 dedicated to MIS EB6 ink set for B&W
>                   Not using QTR, just printer setting.
>                   
> Results have been quite good but print tones vary, mostly with a
> change of papers. That is understandable.  What I don't understand is
> I tried printing on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk and really like the dark
> brownish rich tones of the paper.  I printed 3 different photos all
> with the same settings resulting in the desired tone.  A fourth print
> (different photo) was nowhere close to the tone of the other three
> photos.  With everything being the same as the first 3 prints, why isn't the 4th print very similar to the other?  Can someone please enlighten me?  Thanks.
> Tom
>

Re: How to know what tone the print will be?

2009-04-04 by garrett.tom30

Thanks Steve for the reply.  Not sure what you mean by "dilutions"
unless you are talking about the density (lightness or darkness)
of the original file.  In the examples I used none were very much
lighter or darker than the other. ??



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_wadlington" <steve_wadlington@...> wrote:
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> It depends on the overall tonality of the print. Different dilutions have different degrees of warmth. A predominately light print will look different than a predominately dark print.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garrett.tom30" <garrett.tom30@> wrote:
> >
> > Here's my set-up: Epson 1280 dedicated to MIS EB6 ink set for B&W
> >                   Not using QTR, just printer setting.
> >                   
> > Results have been quite good but print tones vary, mostly with a
> > change of papers. That is understandable.  What I don't understand is
> > I tried printing on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk and really like the dark
> > brownish rich tones of the paper.  I printed 3 different photos all
> > with the same settings resulting in the desired tone.  A fourth print
> > (different photo) was nowhere close to the tone of the other three
> > photos.  With everything being the same as the first 3 prints, why isn't the 4th print very similar to the other?  Can someone please enlighten me?  Thanks.
> > Tom
> >
>

Re: How to know what tone the print will be?

2009-04-05 by br80906

This is a 1280, many problems in my prior experience with the color cartridge after I first started using it, tons of frustrations....do you do a nozzle check before every single print? (which you must do w/this printer.)

After all the crap and frustration, I turned my 1280 into a black-only printer, and put all problems into the past, now it's really great, using only the black channel. I run an empty color cart, no ink, no water, no nothing...just ebony ink in the black cart, running from a 4 oz bottle and a tube (a BO CIS system, if you will).

It does clog without use, but after 2-3 cleanings, even after a couple months, it comes back every time.

The BO prints are fantastic using the Ebony ink in the black cart. Of course you will need to tweak your curves (I use "Chartthrob" to create my curves; look it up), but it really does print great BO prints.

This printer is unreliable at best for anything other than BO, depending on the specific printer (some seem to have good luck), and if you're having issues using the color carts, that's normal for this printer based on my experience, and the experiences of many others on this list as can be researched. Best of luck. An Epson 1400 will cost you a couple hundred bucks and solve all headaches, if you can, it never clogs, and it puts out better prints. best of luck!

Re: How to know what tone the print will be?

2009-04-05 by steve_wadlington

If you are using EB6 ink, it is various dilutions of the Eboni matte black ink in each of the different color positons. Each dilution has a slightly different warmth. Try doing a nozzel check as the other poster mentioned, clogs will lead to problems. I print with C6(self mixed) on a R2400. I print some images on natural paper for more warmth and some on Bright white papers for more netural tone.

Steve
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garrett.tom30" <garrett.tom30@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Steve for the reply.  Not sure what you mean by "dilutions"
> unless you are talking about the density (lightness or darkness)
> of the original file.  In the examples I used none were very much
> lighter or darker than the other. ??
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "steve_wadlington" <steve_wadlington@> wrote:
> >
> > It depends on the overall tonality of the print. Different dilutions have different degrees of warmth. A predominately light print will look different than a predominately dark print.
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garrett.tom30" <garrett.tom30@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's my set-up: Epson 1280 dedicated to MIS EB6 ink set for B&W
> > >                   Not using QTR, just printer setting.
> > >                   
> > > Results have been quite good but print tones vary, mostly with a
> > > change of papers. That is understandable.  What I don't understand is
> > > I tried printing on Ilford Gold Fiber Silk and really like the dark
> > > brownish rich tones of the paper.  I printed 3 different photos all
> > > with the same settings resulting in the desired tone.  A fourth print
> > > (different photo) was nowhere close to the tone of the other three
> > > photos.  With everything being the same as the first 3 prints, why isn't the 4th print very similar to the other?  Can someone please enlighten me?  Thanks.
> > > Tom
> > >
> >
>

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