Digital BW, The Print

On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:

> I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was  
> looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
>
> The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it  
> since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before  
> buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.   
> He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in  
> storage.
>
> Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to  
> ask before one can comment?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Eric
>

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark
Savoia
  Sent: 17 August 2009 18:43
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Looking for 9600 Buying Advice


    Ask yourself, would you buy a car that sat for 7 years. I wouldn't.
  Things dry out, gunk up, electronics might not work, ....unless you
  feel lucky?

  Mark
  http://www.stillrivereditions.com

  On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:

  > I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was
  > looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
  >
  > The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it
  > since. Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before
  > buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.
  > He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in
  > storage.
  >
  > Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to
  > ask before one can comment?
  >
  > Thanks for any advice.
  >
  > Eric
  >



  


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>
> Ask yourself, would you buy a car that sat for 7 years. I wouldn't.  
> Things dry out, gunk up, electronics might not work, ....unless you  
> feel lucky?
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
> 
> > I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was  
> > looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> >
> > The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it  
> > since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before  
> > buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.   
> > He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in  
> > storage.
> >
> > Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to  
> > ask before one can comment?
> >
> > Thanks for any advice.
> >
> > Eric
> >
>

On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:

> No I don't feel lucky at all lately!  =)
>
> Is it possible to power it up and get some idea of the condition of  
> the electronics, other questions I could ask, or any way of finding  
> out it's true condition?
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia  
> <mark@...> wrote:
>>
>> Ask yourself, would you buy a car that sat for 7 years. I wouldn't.
>> Things dry out, gunk up, electronics might not work, ....unless you
>> feel lucky?
>>
>> Mark
>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was
>>> looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
>>>
>>> The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it
>>> since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before
>>> buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.
>>> He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in
>>> storage.
>>>
>>> Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to
>>> ask before one can comment?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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> Here in the UK I might risk it, but then we seem to pay a big premium on old
> printers compared to prices in the US.  Make sure you have refillable
> cartridges and  lots (and lots) of flushing fluid ready!
> 
> David Whistance

>
> I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> 
> The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.  He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in storage.  
> 
> Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to ask before one can comment?
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Eric
>

>
> I would be hesitant on taking 7 year old inks and running them  
> through, might cause more damage then good.... only if the owner knows  
> it has a good chance of ruining a head or something and lets you try  
> before you buy. If you get anything that resembles a good nozzle  
> check, you might be OK. If you buy it, get new inks, perhaps some  
> flushing carts, change the dampers, and hope. I would look around for  
> a working printer, I just got rid of my two 9600 for around that same  
> price, and they were in good working condition.
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> 
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
> 
> > No I don't feel lucky at all lately!  =)
> >
> > Is it possible to power it up and get some idea of the condition of  
> > the electronics, other questions I could ask, or any way of finding  
> > out it's true condition?
> >
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia  
> > <mark@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ask yourself, would you buy a car that sat for 7 years. I wouldn't.
> >> Things dry out, gunk up, electronics might not work, ....unless you
> >> feel lucky?
> >>
> >> Mark
> >> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
> >>
> >> On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was
> >>> looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> >>>
> >>> The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it
> >>> since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before
> >>> buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.
> >>> He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in
> >>> storage.
> >>>
> >>> Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to
> >>> ask before one can comment?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for any advice.
> >>>
> >>> Eric
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Hello Eric,
> I tend to agree with most of the replies so far concerning the probability that this machine will still be in working order. As Mark as mentioned, I think the main problem would be the fact that the inks will have at least gelled, both in the lines and dampers as well as in the print head itself. If you want to run a couple of quick tests you can do so from the Control Panel at the right end of the printer. Just use plain letter type paper for this, it's all I ever use for nozzle checks. Assuming that the printer does actually power up, find the button on the Control Panel marked "Select Type" at the right end. Push that button and the display will now read "Printer Setup". Push the "Paper Feed" button with the down arrow. The display will read "Test Print". Push the "Select Type" button again and the display sub heading will read "Nozzle Check". Push the "Select Type" button and the display sub heading will read "Print". Push the "Enter" button and the machine will print a nozzle check pattern, although in this case I imagine you're going to be looking at a blank sheet of paper. I rather doubt this will do any good at all, but you could run a few cleaning cycles as well. To do this, find the button named "Cleaning" at the top far right. Hold that button down for at least three seconds and the printer will start a cleaning cycle. As I said, I really cannot imagine that you will have much success with this when it has been sitting for so long without fresh ink installed. I would think that you'll probably have to use a syringe on the dampers and draw all of the ink through the lines to clear them completely before you install newer cartridges. As far as the print head is concerned, you could remove the right end cover and put some lint free paper towel pieces soaked with a cleaning solution onto the capping station and then park the head again. Leave this for intervals of at least a half hour and then check to see how much ink has collected on the towel. You will probably have to repeat this procedure many times in order to clear the head, or at least free up the existing ink enough to push it through with the newer inks. 
> 
> There are of course several other procedures that can be followed as well, and there's still no guarantee of success. However, if you have the time and patience, there is a possibility of resurrecting this machine. I am including two URLs for downloading the Service Manual. I know one of these will work. Good luck Eric.
> 
> http://www.feedroller.com/Store/epson_manuals.php
> 
> http://www.inkjetprintpaper.com/manual.htm
> 
> Gary
>   
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Nelson" <emanmb@> wrote:
> >
> > I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> > 
> > The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.  He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in storage.  
> > 
> > Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to ask before one can comment?
> > 
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > 
> > Eric
> >
>

>
> I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> 
> The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.  He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in storage.  
> 
> Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to ask before one can comment?
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Eric
>

>
> Hello Eric,
> I tend to agree with most of the replies so far concerning the probability that this machine will still be in working order. As Mark as mentioned, I think the main problem would be the fact that the inks will have at least gelled, both in the lines and dampers as well as in the print head itself. If you want to run a couple of quick tests you can do so from the Control Panel at the right end of the printer. Just use plain letter type paper for this, it's all I ever use for nozzle checks. Assuming that the printer does actually power up, find the button on the Control Panel marked "Select Type" at the right end. Push that button and the display will now read "Printer Setup". Push the "Paper Feed" button with the down arrow. The display will read "Test Print". Push the "Select Type" button again and the display sub heading will read "Nozzle Check". Push the "Select Type" button and the display sub heading will read "Print". Push the "Enter" button and the machine will print a nozzle check pattern, although in this case I imagine you're going to be looking at a blank sheet of paper. I rather doubt this will do any good at all, but you could run a few cleaning cycles as well. To do this, find the button named "Cleaning" at the top far right. Hold that button down for at least three seconds and the printer will start a cleaning cycle. As I said, I really cannot imagine that you will have much success with this when it has been sitting for so long without fresh ink installed. I would think that you'll probably have to use a syringe on the dampers and draw all of the ink through the lines to clear them completely before you install newer cartridges. As far as the print head is concerned, you could remove the right end cover and put some lint free paper towel pieces soaked with a cleaning solution onto the capping station and then park the head again. Leave this for intervals of at least a half hour and then check to see how much ink has collected on the towel. You will probably have to repeat this procedure many times in order to clear the head, or at least free up the existing ink enough to push it through with the newer inks. 
> 
> There are of course several other procedures that can be followed as well, and there's still no guarantee of success. However, if you have the time and patience, there is a possibility of resurrecting this machine. I am including two URLs for downloading the Service Manual. I know one of these will work. Good luck Eric.
> 
> http://www.feedroller.com/Store/epson_manuals.php
> 
> http://www.inkjetprintpaper.com/manual.htm
> 
> Gary
>   
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Nelson" <emanmb@> wrote:
> >
> > I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> > 
> > The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.  He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in storage.  
> > 
> > Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to ask before one can comment?
> > 
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > 
> > Eric
> >
>

>
> If you really want to thoroughly clean out the heads, dampers, and lines of a system and do a Total flush, I highly recommend the flush fluid that Cone sells at inkjetmall.com. 
> 
> I've used it in several printers and man does it work. It is that pink stuff and it is designed to act as a safe solvent to dissolve the pigment clogs and  neutralize them. Many of us who thought our heads and printers were toast ran it through and they came out clean as a whistle. I've never used anything else that actually worked. If you buy the funnel fill carts like I do from Cone, Media Street, or MIS, for your other inks, you can simply buy one bottle of this stuff and put a little in each cart and so an initial fill. It is also the perfect solution to put in your printer when it is in storage.
> 
> john
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "photog0946" <photog0946@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Eric,
> > I tend to agree with most of the replies so far concerning the probability that this machine will still be in working order. As Mark as mentioned, I think the main problem would be the fact that the inks will have at least gelled, both in the lines and dampers as well as in the print head itself. If you want to run a couple of quick tests you can do so from the Control Panel at the right end of the printer. Just use plain letter type paper for this, it's all I ever use for nozzle checks. Assuming that the printer does actually power up, find the button on the Control Panel marked "Select Type" at the right end. Push that button and the display will now read "Printer Setup". Push the "Paper Feed" button with the down arrow. The display will read "Test Print". Push the "Select Type" button again and the display sub heading will read "Nozzle Check". Push the "Select Type" button and the display sub heading will read "Print". Push the "Enter" button and the machine will print a nozzle check pattern, although in this case I imagine you're going to be looking at a blank sheet of paper. I rather doubt this will do any good at all, but you could run a few cleaning cycles as well. To do this, find the button named "Cleaning" at the top far right. Hold that button down for at least three seconds and the printer will start a cleaning cycle. As I said, I really cannot imagine that you will have much success with this when it has been sitting for so long without fresh ink installed. I would think that you'll probably have to use a syringe on the dampers and draw all of the ink through the lines to clear them completely before you install newer cartridges. As far as the print head is concerned, you could remove the right end cover and put some lint free paper towel pieces soaked with a cleaning solution onto the capping station and then park the head again. Leave this for intervals of at least a half hour and then check to see how much ink has collected on the towel. You will probably have to repeat this procedure many times in order to clear the head, or at least free up the existing ink enough to push it through with the newer inks. 
> > 
> > There are of course several other procedures that can be followed as well, and there's still no guarantee of success. However, if you have the time and patience, there is a possibility of resurrecting this machine. I am including two URLs for downloading the Service Manual. I know one of these will work. Good luck Eric.
> > 
> > http://www.feedroller.com/Store/epson_manuals.php
> > 
> > http://www.inkjetprintpaper.com/manual.htm
> > 
> > Gary
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Nelson" <emanmb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> > > 
> > > The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.  He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in storage.  
> > > 
> > > Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to ask before one can comment?
> > > 
> > > Thanks for any advice.
> > > 
> > > Eric
> > >
> >
>

>
> Hi Eric,
> We run a 9600 at NLC.  Call me if we can help you out with anything.
> 
> -Barry Snidow
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "Eric Nelson" <emanmb@> wrote:
> >
> > I've come across a used Epson 9600 for a little under $500 and was looking for advice as to whether this item would be a good gamble.
> > 
> > The owner says he took the inks out 7 years ago and hasn't used it since.  Obviously there will be no way to test the thing before buying short of buying a complete ink set and starting from there.  He didn't do any kind of flushing of the lines before putting it in storage.  
> > 
> > Am I just asking for trouble here or are there other questions to ask before one can comment?
> > 
> > Thanks for any advice.
> > 
> > Eric
> >
>