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2009-10-10 by KentB
I just noticed that the formerly expensive Epson Exhibition Fiber is now reasonably priced, and the formerly reasonable Ilford Gold Fibre is now more expensive. Any idea why this has happened? I have avoided the Epson Exhibition due to price. Who is using this, and what are your comments on the paper itself. Both IT Supplies and Atlex are selling the Epson paper much lower. Thanks Phil
2009-10-10 by john
One thing that happened is that Hahnemuhle has released a new baryta fiber gloss paper that is alpha cellulose and priced lower than their other baryta papers.http://www.hahnemuehle.com/prod/en/213/628/baryta-fb-350-gsm.html It was probably designed to take back some of that market share grabbed by Ilford. I tested a roll of the Photorag Baryta (and Sugarcane) for Hahnemuhle a while back and I really like it for color and black and white on the Hp printer.(I like the Sugarcane too as an option for William Turner look). When I wrote up my opinions I told them that as good as Photorag Baryta is, and its very good, if they didn't get their prices more in line with Ilford they would continue to loose a huge chunk of that market. I'm sure they well new that long ago, and why they are now trying to compete in that price range. Interesting if Ilford would raise their prices.Maybe it wasn't realistic to sell it where they had it. I find that Gallerie is scratching so easily that I couldn't use it anymore anyway. With my inkset the Iford shows more bronzing than I would like as well. Shades Of Paper carries all of these. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "KentB" <philip@...> wrote:
> > I just noticed that the formerly expensive Epson Exhibition Fiber is now reasonably priced, and the formerly reasonable Ilford Gold Fibre is now more expensive. > > Any idea why this has happened? > > I have avoided the Epson Exhibition due to price. Who is using this, and what are your comments on the paper itself. > > Both IT Supplies and Atlex are selling the Epson paper much lower. > > Thanks > > Phil >
2009-10-11 by Roger
This looks like an interesting paper. If the Ilford baryta had been available in more sizes I would have used it. Any word on Hahnemühle FB 350 sizes, price and availability? I don't see it at shadesofpaper.com Roger --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john" <deanwork2003@...> wrote:
> > One thing that happened is that Hahnemuhle has released a new baryta fiber gloss paper that is alpha cellulose and priced lower than their other baryta papers. http://www.hahnemuehle.com/prod/en/213/628/baryta-fb-350-gsm.html It was probably designed to take back some of that market share grabbed by Ilford. > > I tested a roll of the Photorag Baryta (and Sugarcane) for Hahnemuhle a while back and I really like it for color and black and white on the Hp printer.(I like the Sugarcane too as an option for William Turner look). >
2009-10-11 by Lew
Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom contact sheets? Thanks.
2009-10-12 by steve
I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 (more expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole roll at once. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@...> wrote:
> > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. >
2009-10-12 by David Whistance
Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as are roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan then a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do it for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar scanning with 120 film. David Whistance
-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew
Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time
Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw
(35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom
contact sheets?
Thanks.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-10-12 by Tony Wells
In view of the previous two answers to your question Lew, do you want to scan an entire roll of film in one pass, or do you want to be able to print a single "proof sheet" of thumbnail scans from a roll of film? The single pass scanning is a scanner issue, as those answers indicated, but the printing of a "proof sheet" can be done from multiple scans in most photo editing programmes. If it is the latter, which editing programme are you using please? TonyW.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lew
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:00 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time
Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw
(35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom
contact sheets?
Thanks.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-10-12 by Lew
Well, unfortunately, I can't say 'expense is no object,' but could you name one (or a few) such scanners? Also do the attachments for the Coolscans allow unattended scanning of an entire roll, assuming this means that one either does not or need not cut the negatives into strips. I have quite a back-log to do. David Whistance wrote:
> Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as are > roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan then > a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do it > for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar > scanning with 120 film. > > David Whistance > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew > Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time > > > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-12 by Lew
The 700/750 can do a max of 24 35mm frames at a time (4 strips of 6 frames each). I have years of 36 exposure rolls to do. steve wrote:
> I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 (more expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole roll at once. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@...> wrote: > >> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw >> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom >> contact sheets? >> Thanks. >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-12 by Lew
Single pass ... anything to save time. It does not matter to me if an automated process creates the "proof sheets" after the scans as long as that automatic, too. Program = Photoshop. Tony Wells wrote:
> In view of the previous two answers to your question Lew, do you want to scan an entire roll of film in one pass, or do you want to be able to print a single "proof sheet" of thumbnail scans from a roll of film? The single pass scanning is a scanner issue, as those answers indicated, but the printing of a "proof sheet" can be done from multiple scans in most photo editing programmes. If it is the latter, which editing programme are you using please? > > TonyW. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lew > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:00 AM > Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time > > > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-12 by Ernst Dinkla
Lew schreef: > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. > There was a Polaroid model (Sprintscan 35) that could process a 35mm roll right away. There is the Pacific Image PrimeFilm 1800AFL 35mm Film Scanner If Vuescan supports the scanners above there is a way to make contact sheets or the images loaded to one file and Qimage will be able to print a contact sheet with more choices in lay-out. For better results you need recent Nikons etc. Some Nikon 35mm models have optional parts to do teh same. For 120 film there are only pro models like from Kodak that will do rolls. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla Gallery Canvas Wrap Actions | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2009-10-12 by Mark Savoia
Look at the Epson 10000XL scanner. Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com
On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:15 AM, Lew wrote: > The 700/750 can do a max of 24 35mm frames at a time (4 strips of 6 > frames each). I have years of 36 exposure rolls to do. > > steve wrote: >> I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 >> (more expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole >> roll at once. >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew >> <lew1716@...> wrote: >> >>> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll >>> of bw >>> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom >>> contact sheets? >>> Thanks. >>> >>>
2009-10-12 by Tony Sleep
On 12/10/2009 Lew wrote: > Single pass ... anything to save time. It does not matter to me if an > automated process creates the "proof sheets" after the scans as long > as > that automatic, too. This is a scanning FAQ based on the misunderstanding that scanning offers a straightforward transposition from film->dig. It does not. Scanning film is more like darkroom printing or producing from RAW, than scanning documents. It is hugely interpretive. Either you throw money at the problem (clever hardware and software) or you throw time and expertise, and as always within photography, time and expertise wins. So there is no way to do this with good quality, short of either buying a Scitex Eversmart (last sold at ~$40,000 - a sort of industrial flatbed) or a scanning station (eg Sony, Pakon, Konica) of the sort used by minilabs. The latter are fast, but not usually high resolution (1-2,000ppi) and start at around $15,000. I think Pakon has now joined Konica in the dustbin of history anyhow. For mounted slides the Braun 4000 is a potential cheapish choice, but I've not seen results or useful reviews. It may or may not be crap. http://www.braun-phototechnik.de/E/Products/scanner/scanner4000.html The old Kodak 3600 (Pacific Image rebadged) was capable of scanning uncut 35mm but had dreadful software and mediocre optics with lots of flare, and a fair amount of CCD noise. It was fairly quickly discontinued. Before that, Kodak made the RFS3035 & 45 scanners which could be got with batch feeders for uncut 35mm. They were fast, using flash as a lightsource, but quality was pretty poor even by early 90's standards though OK for newspaper use, which is where they were used. Nowadays you'd do better with a DSLR like a 5D + macro + copy stand like an Illumitran. For mere mortals this is probably the best approach if you truly do have to digitise a lot of film. Shoot to RAW then post produce from there - more time, effort etc. Scanning is anyhow the quick part of the process. Post producing each scan is a bespoke necessity that takes lots of time, even if the film is a type that is OK with digital ICE (and if it isn't, eg Kodachrome or trad B&W, expect to spend a LOT of extra time spotting and retouching). The pickier you are, the longer it takes. This is really the showstopper with hopes of scanning large film archives. Every neg needs different exposure, different levels/curves/gamma. "Difficult" negs need more still, separate adjustments for different tonal areas, then comping the layers back together again. If you're rich enough to contemplate a s/h Scitex (I think Leaf still sell new ones), you'd probably do better to contract out the work to a specialist company anyway. India has a few that are relatively cheap, a few $/scan. If you aren't, you'll have to adjust your expectations like the rest of us. I have around 280,000 negs. Scanning and post producing all of them would take about 6-7 years working flat out full-time, by which time I'd have gone ga-ga and starved anyway. Fortunately most are rubbish, but even the small decent residue will take years of as-and-when effort. Has taken, so far. I use an ancient Umax Powerlook2 flatbed with 10x8" film hood (\ufffd70 on eBay about 4 years ago), adapted to take the glass half of a Paterson 35mm contact proof frame. That scans 6 strips of 6 in one go = electronic contact sheets. I then select the few frames I can bear to scan properly and do them with a Polaroid Sprintscan 4000 (10 years old, but still excellent after a DIY service - http://tonysleep.co.uk/polaroid-sprintscan-4000-diy-repairs Since most of what I scan is silver-based B&W lack of ICE isn't really an issue. I use Vuescan with both scanners. Scanning, spotting and adjusting each frame takes anything from 5mins to, er, hours. The good news is that I can, at the end of the (long) day, get more and better from my old negs than I ever could in the wet darkroom, and I was a pretty good bromide printer with 30+years of almost daily experience. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk
2009-10-12 by hflockwood
I have the 4000ED and am unaware of an attachment for scanning an entire roll. But I believe the 5000ED had that capability. Harry --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Whistance" <david.whistance@...> wrote:
> > Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as are > roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan then > a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do it > for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar > scanning with 120 film. > > David Whistance > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew > Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time > > > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2009-10-12 by jacquescrn
I've got the SupercoolScan ED 5000 from Nikon and there is no attachment for scanning a complete roll of film. The scanner comes with two attachment (slides-one by one and a strip holder for up to six views of negative); I bought the slide feeder (up to 50 slides at a time) for automatic processing. Be aware that: 1. The slides (and negatives) are a bit blurred in the corners; making full frame enlargments is near impossible. 2. The negative adapter is very finicky as filmstrip is concern. Watch out for rounded-cut negatives (like I use to do in the old time so the roll went easier in the Patterson reel). Every strips must be cut very square and, even then, there is plenty of errors (the scanner could not complete the process-remove the adapter, eject the film-redo the process) making scanning very time consuming. 3. Stay away from ICE if your scanning at the best resolution as it induces artefacts; the end result is unacceptable. I wrote to Nikon, sent a lot of examples (even sent back the scanner with a slide, plus a CD containing my scans), only yo be answered that it is a software limitation. For a decent scan, you'll have to rely on retouching in another software. 4. The slide automator is well known (it is written in the user's guide) to jam on cardboard mounts; too bad I was an afficionado of Kodachrome! All in all, you would be better to stay away from this scanner (there is no "professionnal" aspect) and go with a top notch flatbed. It all depends what will be your intended output. Good luck Jacques Caron --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hflockwood" <hflockwood@...> wrote:
> > I have the 4000ED and am unaware of an attachment for scanning an entire roll. But I believe the 5000ED had that capability. > > Harry > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Whistance" <david.whistance@> wrote: > > > > Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as are > > roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan then > > a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do it > > for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar > > scanning with 120 film. > > > > David Whistance > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew > > Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00 > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time > > > > > > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > > contact sheets? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2009-10-12 by john
I have the Super Coolscan 4000 ED and it has the roll film adapter for scanning an entire roll. I've never used it though. It would be a nightmare of dust and scratches. The only thing I would consider using it for would be like automating small files for web display where you are using massive dust and scratches filtering for auto cleanup. j --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hflockwood" <hflockwood@...> wrote:
> > I have the 4000ED and am unaware of an attachment for scanning an entire roll. But I believe the 5000ED had that capability. > > Harry > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Whistance" <david.whistance@> wrote: > > > > Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as are > > roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan then > > a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do it > > for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar > > scanning with 120 film. > > > > David Whistance > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew > > Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00 > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time > > > > > > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > > contact sheets? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >
2009-10-12 by Lew
I don't know how long you've been doing your film photography, but today's emulsions are much harder & more scratch resistant than those of yore. Cautions re scratchability are somewhat overstated imo. john wrote:
> I have the Super Coolscan 4000 ED and it has the roll film adapter for scanning an entire roll. I've never used it though. It would be a nightmare of dust and scratches. The only thing I would consider using it for would be like automating small files for web display where you are using massive dust and scratches filtering for auto cleanup. > > j > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "hflockwood" <hflockwood@...> wrote: > >> I have the 4000ED and am unaware of an attachment for scanning an entire roll. But I believe the 5000ED had that capability. >> >> Harry >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Whistance" <david.whistance@> wrote: >> >>> Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as are >>> roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan then >>> a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do it >>> for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar >>> scanning with 120 film. >>> >>> David Whistance >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew >>> Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00 >>> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time >>> >>> >>> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw >>> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom >>> contact sheets? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-12 by Gary Weaver
I use an old Microtek flatbed and toss my file sheets on the scanbed. I've always inserted contacts into my file binders just to ID negs. The scanners low res(native 600dpi) is fine for that. Twenty 35mm slidess fit on the 8x10 bed nicely.
> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lew > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:00 AM > Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time > > > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. >
2009-10-12 by Clayton Price
Lew wrote: What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom contact sheets? Well, if you're willing to move outside the box a little bit, you can set up your digital camera on a vertical plane, and lay each roll of film on a light box under it. Shoot the entire roll in one exposure (RAW) and convert it to positive in Camera Raw. I did over 1000 rolls in just a couple weeks, and put them into a searchable data base in iView. The big advantage, aside from time saved by not scanning, is the ease of adding keywords into the metadata, which makes your subjects, dates, whatever, easily searchable. Clay Price [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-12 by Tina Manley
At 06:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >Well, unfortunately, I can't say 'expense is no object,' but could you >name one (or a few) such scanners? The Nikon LS5000 has a batch loader that you can use to scan 40 slides at a time. It also has a bulk film loader that will scan a whole uncut roll. I prefer mounting all of my negatives in slide mounts and using the bulk scanner. I file my negatives in hanging slide pages according to subject so it's easier for me to file individual slides. You can use Photoshop or Lightroom to print contact sheets. Tina Tina Manley www.tinamanley.com
2009-10-12 by Lew
Would you know if a bulk film loader was ever made for the 8000ed? Thanks. Tina Manley wrote:
> At 06:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >> Well, unfortunately, I can't say 'expense is no object,' but could you >> name one (or a few) such scanners? >> > > The Nikon LS5000 has a batch loader that you can use to scan 40 > slides at a time. It also has a bulk film loader that will scan a > whole uncut roll. I prefer mounting all of my negatives in slide > mounts and using the bulk scanner. I file my negatives in hanging > slide pages according to subject so it's easier for me to file > individual slides. You can use Photoshop or Lightroom to print contact sheets. > > Tina > > Tina Manley > www.tinamanley.com > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-12 by Lew
Can you also tell me if, as these batch loaders feed individual slides into the scanner, the software makes any adjustments for exposure and/or contrast? Thanks for your time. Tina Manley wrote:
> At 06:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >> Well, unfortunately, I can't say 'expense is no object,' but could you >> name one (or a few) such scanners? >> > > The Nikon LS5000 has a batch loader that you can use to scan 40 > slides at a time. It also has a bulk film loader that will scan a > whole uncut roll. I prefer mounting all of my negatives in slide > mounts and using the bulk scanner. I file my negatives in hanging > slide pages according to subject so it's easier for me to file > individual slides. You can use Photoshop or Lightroom to print contact sheets. > > Tina > > Tina Manley > www.tinamanley.com > > > >
2009-10-12 by David Whistance
No, just for the 4000, 5000
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew Sent: 12 October 2009 17:25 To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time Would you know if a bulk film loader was ever made for the 8000ed? Thanks. Tina Manley wrote: > At 06:04 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: > >> Well, unfortunately, I can't say 'expense is no object,' but could you >> name one (or a few) such scanners? >> > > The Nikon LS5000 has a batch loader that you can use to scan 40 > slides at a time. It also has a bulk film loader that will scan a > whole uncut roll. I prefer mounting all of my negatives in slide > mounts and using the bulk scanner. I file my negatives in hanging > slide pages according to subject so it's easier for me to file > individual slides. You can use Photoshop or Lightroom to print contact sheets. > > Tina > > Tina Manley > www.tinamanley.com > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------------------ Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links
2009-10-12 by David Whistance
It works with both the 4000 and the 5000
-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hflockwood
Sent: 12 October 2009 13:54
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Scan a roll at a time
I have the 4000ED and am unaware of an attachment for scanning an entire
roll. But I believe the 5000ED had that capability.
Harry
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Whistance"
<david.whistance@...> wrote:
>
> Scanners that will scan a whole roll of 35mm at a time are expensive, as
are
> roll holder attachments. However if you have a number of rolls to scan
then
> a Nikon Coolscan 5000ED or 4000ED with appropriate attachments will do
it
> for you. As far as I know there are no scanners that will allow similar
> scanning with 120 film.
>
> David Whistance
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Lew
> Sent: 12 October 2009 00:00
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Scan a roll at a time
>
>
> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw
> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom
> contact sheets?
> Thanks.
>
>
>
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-10-12 by Mark Savoia
Lew, Not to be like a moderator but perhaps a different e-group on scanners would have more info for you then a printing forum? Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com
On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Lew wrote: > Can you also tell me if, as these batch loaders feed individual slides > into the scanner, the software makes any adjustments for exposure > and/or > contrast? > Thanks for your time.
2009-10-12 by Lew
Anything's possible. Is there such a group? Mark Savoia wrote:
> Lew, > Not to be like a moderator but perhaps a different e-group on scanners > would have more info for you then a printing forum? > > Mark > http://www.stillrivereditions.com > > On Oct 12, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Lew wrote: > > >> Can you also tell me if, as these batch loaders feed individual slides >> into the scanner, the software makes any adjustments for exposure >> and/or >> contrast? >> Thanks for your time. >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-12 by Mark Savoia
Just do a search and see how many film scanner groups there are: http://groups.yahoo.com/search?query=film+scanners&submit=Search Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Lew wrote: > Anything's possible. Is there such a group? > > Mark Savoia wrote: >> Lew, >> Not to be like a moderator but perhaps a different e-group on >> scanners >> would have more info for you then a printing forum? >> >> Mark >> http://www.stillrivereditions.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-12 by Ernst Dinkla
Lew schreef: > Would you know if a bulk film loader was ever made for the 8000ed? > Thanks. There never was one. Neither for the 9000. The scanner concept wouldn't allow it either, film holders are clamped on a carriage that travels a maximum of 82 mm. The next frame of a 6x9 holder will be brought into position with a cogwheel and the carriage travels the same length again. Two 6x9 or three 6x7 is the maximum. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla Gallery Canvas Wrap Actions | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2009-10-12 by Tina Manley
At 12:42 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: > > >Can you also tell me if, as these batch loaders feed individual slides >into the scanner, the software makes any adjustments for exposure and/or >contrast? >Thanks for your time. I use Lasersoft software which allows you to scan in HDR raw so all of the information possible is included in the scan. It's not necessary to adjust for exposure and contrast at the scanning stage. That is done in the HDR software when you convert the raw file. Tina Tina Manley www.tinamanley.com
2009-10-12 by slcphoto73
I just scanned a lot of negatives, which had alas been cut. But out of that effort comes a suggestion for if you go the scanner route, instead of the camera or outsourcing routes: my laptop with vuescan made a fine second system for scanning, so I could continue work on my main system while the scanner ground away. And I set vuescan to produce jpgs quickly with only approximately correct color. The results were not print-ready or even suitable to use for further editing, but they are good enough proofs for me to determine which images are worth my rescanning the original film more carefully before working further with them. - susan
2009-10-12 by Lew
Yep, multiple cpu's & monitors is definitely the way to go. slcphoto73 wrote:
> I just scanned a lot of negatives, which had alas been cut. But out of that effort comes a suggestion for if you go the scanner route, instead of the camera or outsourcing routes: my laptop with vuescan made a fine second system for scanning, so I could continue work on my main system while the scanner ground away. And I set vuescan to produce jpgs quickly with only approximately correct color. > > The results were not print-ready or even suitable to use for further editing, but they are good enough proofs for me to determine which images are worth my rescanning the original film more carefully before working further with them. > > - susan >
2009-10-12 by rh.gaunt@att.net
I've been using Epson's V700 scanner. It does batches of 12 slides or 4 six image 35mm film strips. There are film holders for other size negatives. The scans come out as individual scans, not like a contact sheet. Works fairly well for medium quality scans. Bob Gaunt --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@...> wrote:
> > Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > Thanks. >
2009-10-13 by Barrett Benton
I have both a Minolta DS 5400 (first version) 35mm film scanner, and a tabloid-size UMAX PowerLook 2100 XL with transparency adapter. The Minolta gets the nod for print-worthy files, with all its very useful bells n' whistles. The UMAX gets used largely (yes, bad pun) for creating digital contact sheets; it can scan up to two 36-exposure rolls of cut 35mm film in one pass. It also has a number of film holders, from 4x5" to various medium-format holders to 35mm neg holders, to a slide holder that handles up to 32 slides. (This is good for something a notch above quick n' dirty scans, but not in the league with the Minolta.) I think the *big* deal here is just seeing what you've got first, then plucking the Good Stuff for serious scanning. When(ever) I get around to my slide archive, I think the UMAX is going to get one hell of a workout. But it's enough work to get my recent stuff scanned. (I actually LIKE the scanning process: it's not the tedium, just having the time.) - Barrett
2009-10-13 by Lew
That's what I looking for, a quick look at my stuff, 1 roll at a time & then follow up with wet darkroom work and/or a 'serious' scan. Barrett Benton wrote:
> I have both a Minolta DS 5400 (first version) 35mm film scanner, and > a tabloid-size UMAX PowerLook 2100 XL with transparency adapter. The > Minolta gets the nod for print-worthy files, with all its very useful > bells n' whistles. The UMAX gets used largely (yes, bad pun) for > creating digital contact sheets; it can scan up to two 36-exposure > rolls of cut 35mm film in one pass. It also has a number of film > holders, from 4x5" to various medium-format holders to 35mm neg > holders, to a slide holder that handles up to 32 slides. (This is > good for something a notch above quick n' dirty scans, but not in the > league with the Minolta.) > > I think the *big* deal here is just seeing what you've got first, > then plucking the Good Stuff for serious scanning. When(ever) I get > around to my slide archive, I think the UMAX is going to get one hell > of a workout. But it's enough work to get my recent stuff scanned. (I > actually LIKE the scanning process: it's not the tedium, just having > the time.) > > > - Barrett > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-13 by Lew
Looking at the specs I see that it can scan 2 strips of 6 frames each in an adapter, so I'm assuming that you've found a way to place the strips directly onto the scanner without this. What prevents the strips from moving around when you lower the top? Also, this seems to be a reflective scanner, what provision is there for placing the negative between the light source & ccd? Thanks for taking the time to answer! Barrett Benton wrote:
> I have both a Minolta DS 5400 (first version) 35mm film scanner, and > a tabloid-size UMAX PowerLook 2100 XL with transparency adapter. The > Minolta gets the nod for print-worthy files, with all its very useful > bells n' whistles. The UMAX gets used largely (yes, bad pun) for > creating digital contact sheets; it can scan up to two 36-exposure > rolls of cut 35mm film in one pass. It also has a number of film > holders, from 4x5" to various medium-format holders to 35mm neg > holders, to a slide holder that handles up to 32 slides. (This is > good for something a notch above quick n' dirty scans, but not in the > league with the Minolta.) > > I think the *big* deal here is just seeing what you've got first, > then plucking the Good Stuff for serious scanning. When(ever) I get > around to my slide archive, I think the UMAX is going to get one hell > of a workout. But it's enough work to get my recent stuff scanned. (I > actually LIKE the scanning process: it's not the tedium, just having > the time.) > > > - Barrett > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-13 by Tony Sleep
On 12/10/2009 Lew wrote: > Anything's possible. Is there such a group? http://tonysleep.co.uk/filmscanners - the mailing list still exists, is just very quiet nowadays as every question has been asked :) BTW all Nikon slide hoppers have a mixed reputation for jamming and misfeeding. Additionally the software determines exposure from the first slide and uses that for the whole batch. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk
2009-10-13 by Tony Sleep
On 13/10/2009 Lew wrote: > That's what I looking for, a quick look at my stuff, 1 roll at a time > & > then follow up with wet darkroom work and/or a 'serious' scan. As I mentioned, I use an ancient Umax Powerlook 2 modified to accept the glass half of a Paterson 35mm contact-printing frame (retired from darkroom use). The mod is simple : use computer motherboard standoffs to raise the film hood glass a few mm to accomodate the Paterson glass sheet. That gets 6strips of 6 frames into the 10x8" scanning area. The scanner cost 70GBP off eBay a few years ago with a film hood + another spare. There are probably other similar from Microtek, Agfa etc - old scanners that were costly studio workhorses 10 years ago. Scans are not wonderful at only 1200ppi, but perfectly good for onscreen viewing at decent magnification or printing the sheet at A3+. Much more usable than wet contacts and much cheaper and faster to do. I use Vuescan, scan at 16bit and then tweak levels of any hard-to-view frames to normalise exposure differences. Works with BW & colour neg. -- Regards Tony Sleep http://tonysleep.co.uk
2009-10-13 by E.Neilsen
Clay, you can add keywords to scans too. You can add data to the file name as well. Let's hope you did not bracket too much when you shoot. Lew, unless you print from uncut rolls, I'd look at an Epson V750. I see your posting on Nikon scan too. Do you already have a scanner? or looking to put a package together. Do you want to have a whole bunch of frames to keep track of or a few good ones? I have been working slowly on the scans as I see no reason to just add to the digital files without a clear path outward. Having 1000s of unprinted digital files is no more appealing to me than having 1000s of unprinted negatives. The V750 does very nicely for what it is, and I still prefer my eyes and a loop to judge a neg than a down and dirty scan solution. Eric _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton Price Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:11 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re:Scan a roll at a time Lew wrote: What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom contact sheets? Well, if you're willing to move outside the box a little bit, you can set up your digital camera on a vertical plane, and lay each roll of film on a light box under it. Shoot the entire roll in one exposure (RAW) and convert it to positive in Camera Raw. I did over 1000 rolls in just a couple weeks, and put them into a searchable data base in iView. The big advantage, aside from time saved by not scanning, is the ease of adding keywords into the metadata, which makes your subjects, dates, whatever, easily searchable. Clay Price [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-13 by Barrett Benton
Lew writ: > Looking at the specs I see that it can scan 2 strips of 6 frames > each in > an adapter, so I'm assuming that you've found a way to place the > strips > directly onto the scanner without this. What prevents the strips from > moving around when you lower the top? Also, this seems to be a > reflective scanner, what provision is there for placing the negative > between the light source & ccd? > Thanks for taking the time to answer! My PowerLook 2100XL (one of my clients and me bought *four* of these, which were about to be tossed by a Manhattan publishing house) came complete with the optional transparency adapter, which covers the entire tabloid platen. I simply lay down the strips directly on the platen, contact-sheet style. Since I don't use an additional sheet of glass on top of the strips, this obviously works better if the film is reasonably flat (and also the reason why I love the fact that Kodak managed to lick the problem of film curling in recent years; most of the time, their films lie *perfectly* flat). This scanner has come in ridiculously handy because of its size (I've also made direct scans of clients' original [reflective] artwork with it). - Barrett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-14 by Lew
Commenting in no particular order: UMAX seems to have 2 models: the powerlook 2100xl and 2100xl with uta. Am I correct to assume that the transparency adapter uta-2100xl is included in the uta model? Unfortunately, I have 100's of older Kodak & non-Kodak 6 frame strips that are anything but flat when left to themselves. Would there be room for the sheet of glass? Is the transparency adapter a light source or what? Thanks. Barrett Benton wrote:
> Lew writ: > > >> Looking at the specs I see that it can scan 2 strips of 6 frames >> each in >> an adapter, so I'm assuming that you've found a way to place the >> strips >> directly onto the scanner without this. What prevents the strips from >> moving around when you lower the top? Also, this seems to be a >> reflective scanner, what provision is there for placing the negative >> between the light source & ccd? >> Thanks for taking the time to answer! >> > > My PowerLook 2100XL (one of my clients and me bought *four* of these, > which were about to be tossed by a Manhattan publishing house) came > complete with the optional transparency adapter, which covers the > entire tabloid platen. I simply lay down the strips directly on the > platen, contact-sheet style. Since I don't use an additional sheet of > glass on top of the strips, this obviously works better if the film > is reasonably flat (and also the reason why I love the fact that > Kodak managed to lick the problem of film curling in recent years; > most of the time, their films lie *perfectly* flat). This scanner has > come in ridiculously handy because of its size (I've also made direct > scans of clients' original [reflective] artwork with it). > > > - Barrett > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-14 by Lew
I'd need to scan primarily strips of 6 frames each, but scanning before I cut the rolls going forward won't be a problem either. Yes, I already have a scanner, but the problem here is that curly negs require something to keep them flat and the extra piece of glass that this entails produces Newton lines which make the scans next to useless. Additional expense is ok if it can save 100's hours of work. I don't need or want a clear path outward at the time of the scan, I think in rolls & want to see everything. Actual selection for printing may change over the years. What looked good in 1985 may not be what I want in 2009. The 750 site mentions an included 35mm neg holder: how many strips does it take of how many frames? Is it possible to sandwich the strips into the scanner without the holder & gwt an entire roll in at a time? E.Neilsen wrote:
> Clay, you can add keywords to scans too. You can add data to the file name > as well. Let's hope you did not bracket too much when you shoot. > > > > Lew, unless you print from uncut rolls, I'd look at an Epson V750. I see > your posting on Nikon scan too. Do you already have a scanner? or looking to > put a package together. Do you want to have a whole bunch of frames to keep > track of or a few good ones? I have been working slowly on the scans as I > see no reason to just add to the digital files without a clear path outward. > Having 1000s of unprinted digital files is no more appealing to me than > having 1000s of unprinted negatives. > > > > The V750 does very nicely for what it is, and I still prefer my eyes and a > loop to judge a neg than a down and dirty scan solution. > > > > Eric > > > > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton > Price > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:11 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re:Scan a roll at a time > > > > > > > Lew wrote: What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > contact sheets? > > Well, if you're willing to move outside the box a little bit, you can > set up your digital camera on a vertical > plane, and lay each roll of film on a light box under it. Shoot the > entire roll in one exposure (RAW) and > convert it to positive in Camera Raw. I did over 1000 rolls in just a > couple weeks, and put them into a > searchable data base in iView. The big advantage, aside from time > saved by not scanning, is the ease of adding keywords into > the metadata, which makes your subjects, dates, whatever, easily > searchable. > > Clay Price > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2009-10-14 by Peter Marshall
Hi, I make 'contact sheets' on a V750 by putting the negs in their transparent filing sheet directly on the glass bed, with the 8x10 film area guide (210x257mm) in place. Depending on the type of filing sheet you can scan 4 or 5 rows of 6 or 7 rows of 5 at a time. Most of my negs are in strips of 6, and I usually scan the top 4 rows, then scan the bottom 4 (which means I'm scanning the middle of the 7 rows twice, but saves having to alter the scanner settings.) Not having to take the strips out and fit them into a frame is an incredible time saver, as well as reducing the handling risk to negs. (It would be possible to scan a whole film at a time - 6 strips of 6 - just as I used to print them on 8x10 paper - by putting the strips directly onto the glass bed and putting a glass sheet on top of them, but too time-consuming. I used to make contacts in the darkroom before putting them in the filing sheets and would probably try working that way on the scanner with newly processed films.) I scan into Photoshop, then having dealt with a dozen filing sheets or so I join up the pairs of scans to give the full sheet for each film - not really necessary but only takes a few clicks to copy one, increase the canvas size on the second, paste, position, flatten and then save - using the film reference number. The Epson software is fast and does a reasonable job for the scanning at 600dpi which gives me a decent size image to look at on screen if I want to zoom into a frame. Mostly the sheets lay flat enough - I thought I would need a sheet of glass on top, but most seem ok without. It takes a little while to adjust the histogram - setting the film base to be very close to black and the densest parts of the negs to white - largely because the software was written by someone who didn't understand what it should do. But if your exposure and dev were consistent you won't need to alter it. Colour film is a little trickier as colour balance also has to be set, but for b/w its best to scan as grayscale. It should work with any scanner that says it can handle 8x10 film, not just the V700/750. If I want to make a print I use a neg scanner on the particular frame, but the contacts don't need to be clean to do the job, though I give the filing sheets and glass a wipe with an anti-static cloth. Peter Marshall - Photographer, Writer: NUJ petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ >Re:PHOTO http://re-photo.co.uk My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... Lew wrote:
> The 700/750 can do a max of 24 35mm frames at a time (4 strips of 6 > frames each). I have years of 36 exposure rolls to do. > > steve wrote: > >> I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 (more expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole roll at once. >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@...> wrote: >> >> >>> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw >>> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom >>> contact sheets? >>> Thanks.
2009-10-14 by Clayton Price
Hi Eric - I ran tests first and did no bracketing. One advantage was that the digital camera exposure number gave me an ID that was easily changed to the actual roll number in my negative files. So it was simple to change the number in bridge without even opening up the file. With this method I'm able to find any frame I've shot in the last 40 years, view the entire roll or a single frames on the computer screen, then pick the negative I want to scan in high res. I never had dreamed that editing would be so simple, and the main advantage of photographing each roll (usually 6 strips), as opposed to scanning it, is that I can do a roll about every 2 or 3 minutes. Of course it takes a little more time in camera raw to convert to positives, but it can be done in large batches. My set up is that I bought a 2 1/4 enlarger on eBay(for $35), and basically only use the baseboard and column, plus the mechanism to raise and lower it. Then bought some used brackets which enabled mounting my 5D to the set-up. The light box sits on the baseboard, and the whole mess takes up almost no room and is ready to go just a few minutes. Clay Eric wrote: Clay, you can add keywords to scans too. You can add data to the file name as well. Let's hope you did not bracket too much when you shoot. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-14 by E.Neilsen
Clay, You do understand I mean bracketing your original film exposures, not so much a static light set up of a known light source. ; ) _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton Price Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:29 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Scan a roll at a time Hi Eric - I ran tests first and did no bracketing. One advantage was that the digital camera exposure number gave me an ID that was easily changed to the actual roll number in my negative files. So it was simple to change the number in bridge without even opening up the file. With this method I'm able to find any frame I've shot in the last 40 years, view the entire roll or a single frames on the computer screen, then pick the negative I want to scan in high res. I never had dreamed that editing would be so simple, and the main advantage of photographing each roll (usually 6 strips), as opposed to scanning it, is that I can do a roll about every 2 or 3 minutes. Of course it takes a little more time in camera raw to convert to positives, but it can be done in large batches. My set up is that I bought a 2 1/4 enlarger on eBay(for $35), and basically only use the baseboard and column, plus the mechanism to raise and lower it. Then bought some used brackets which enabled mounting my 5D to the set-up. The light box sits on the baseboard, and the whole mess takes up almost no room and is ready to go just a few minutes. Clay Eric wrote: Clay, you can add keywords to scans too. You can add data to the file name as well. Let's hope you did not bracket too much when you shoot. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-14 by Lew
Thanks, Pete: I take it that the lid of the scanner contains the light source, the bed is clear glass & the scanning lens move underneath... is this correct? Not that I'm interested, but this sounds like it works for transparencies & negs, not opaque material like prints. How does the scanner handle these? Don't the PrintFile pages reduce sharpness and/or cut down on the density range of the negs? Also, from my attempts to work with another scanner and some very curly film, putting a sheet of glass on top produced Newton rings rendering the scans unusable. I didn't try glass over PrintFile, though. Thanks again for taking the time to respond at length! Peter Marshall wrote:
> Hi, > > I make 'contact sheets' on a V750 by putting the negs in their > transparent filing sheet directly on the glass bed, with the 8x10 film > area guide (210x257mm) in place. Depending on the type of filing sheet > you can scan 4 or 5 rows of 6 or 7 rows of 5 at a time. Most of my negs > are in strips of 6, and I usually scan the top 4 rows, then scan the > bottom 4 (which means I'm scanning the middle of the 7 rows twice, but > saves having to alter the scanner settings.) Not having to take the > strips out and fit them into a frame is an incredible time saver, as > well as reducing the handling risk to negs. > > (It would be possible to scan a whole film at a time - 6 strips of 6 - > just as I used to print them on 8x10 paper - by putting the strips > directly onto the glass bed and putting a glass sheet on top of them, > but too time-consuming. I used to make contacts in the darkroom before > putting them in the filing sheets and would probably try working that > way on the scanner with newly processed films.) > > I scan into Photoshop, then having dealt with a dozen filing sheets or > so I join up the pairs of scans to give the full sheet for each film - > not really necessary but only takes a few clicks to copy one, increase > the canvas size on the second, paste, position, flatten and then save - > using the film reference number. > > The Epson software is fast and does a reasonable job for the scanning at > 600dpi which gives me a decent size image to look at on screen if I want > to zoom into a frame. Mostly the sheets lay flat enough - I thought I > would need a sheet of glass on top, but most seem ok without. It takes a > little while to adjust the histogram - setting the film base to be very > close to black and the densest parts of the negs to white - largely > because the software was written by someone who didn't understand what > it should do. But if your exposure and dev were consistent you won't > need to alter it. Colour film is a little trickier as colour balance > also has to be set, but for b/w its best to scan as grayscale. > > It should work with any scanner that says it can handle 8x10 film, not > just the V700/750. > > If I want to make a print I use a neg scanner on the particular frame, > but the contacts don't need to be clean to do the job, though I give the > filing sheets and glass a wipe with an anti-static cloth. > > Peter Marshall - Photographer, Writer: NUJ > petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ > >> Re:PHOTO http://re-photo.co.uk >> > My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ > The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ > and elsewhere...... > > > > Lew wrote: > >> The 700/750 can do a max of 24 35mm frames at a time (4 strips of 6 >> frames each). I have years of 36 exposure rolls to do. >> >> steve wrote: >> >> >>> I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 (more expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole roll at once. >>> >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw >>>> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom >>>> contact sheets? >>>> Thanks. >>>> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. 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2009-10-14 by E.Neilsen
Lew, The Epson 3200 has the light in the lid, but with the 700 series the light is down below like a regular flat bed scanner. The V750 comes with a glass holder for holding negs down.
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lew Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:09 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Scan a roll at a time Thanks, Pete: I take it that the lid of the scanner contains the light source, the bed is clear glass & the scanning lens move underneath... is this correct? Not that I'm interested, but this sounds like it works for transparencies & negs, not opaque material like prints. How does the scanner handle these? Don't the PrintFile pages reduce sharpness and/or cut down on the density range of the negs? Also, from my attempts to work with another scanner and some very curly film, putting a sheet of glass on top produced Newton rings rendering the scans unusable. I didn't try glass over PrintFile, though. Thanks again for taking the time to respond at length! Peter Marshall wrote: > Hi, > > I make 'contact sheets' on a V750 by putting the negs in their > transparent filing sheet directly on the glass bed, with the 8x10 film > area guide (210x257mm) in place. Depending on the type of filing sheet > you can scan 4 or 5 rows of 6 or 7 rows of 5 at a time. Most of my negs > are in strips of 6, and I usually scan the top 4 rows, then scan the > bottom 4 (which means I'm scanning the middle of the 7 rows twice, but > saves having to alter the scanner settings.) Not having to take the > strips out and fit them into a frame is an incredible time saver, as > well as reducing the handling risk to negs. > > (It would be possible to scan a whole film at a time - 6 strips of 6 - > just as I used to print them on 8x10 paper - by putting the strips > directly onto the glass bed and putting a glass sheet on top of them, > but too time-consuming. I used to make contacts in the darkroom before > putting them in the filing sheets and would probably try working that > way on the scanner with newly processed films.) > > I scan into Photoshop, then having dealt with a dozen filing sheets or > so I join up the pairs of scans to give the full sheet for each film - > not really necessary but only takes a few clicks to copy one, increase > the canvas size on the second, paste, position, flatten and then save - > using the film reference number. > > The Epson software is fast and does a reasonable job for the scanning at > 600dpi which gives me a decent size image to look at on screen if I want > to zoom into a frame. Mostly the sheets lay flat enough - I thought I > would need a sheet of glass on top, but most seem ok without. It takes a > little while to adjust the histogram - setting the film base to be very > close to black and the densest parts of the negs to white - largely > because the software was written by someone who didn't understand what > it should do. But if your exposure and dev were consistent you won't > need to alter it. Colour film is a little trickier as colour balance > also has to be set, but for b/w its best to scan as grayscale. > > It should work with any scanner that says it can handle 8x10 film, not > just the V700/750. > > If I want to make a print I use a neg scanner on the particular frame, > but the contacts don't need to be clean to do the job, though I give the > filing sheets and glass a wipe with an anti-static cloth. > > Peter Marshall - Photographer, Writer: NUJ > petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ > >> Re:PHOTO http://re-photo.co.uk >> > My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ > The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ > and elsewhere...... > > > > Lew wrote: > >> The 700/750 can do a max of 24 35mm frames at a time (4 strips of 6 >> frames each). I have years of 36 exposure rolls to do. >> >> steve wrote: >> >> >>> I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 (more expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole roll at once. >>> >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw >>>> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom >>>> contact sheets? >>>> Thanks. >>>> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. 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2009-10-15 by Gary Weaver
They call it PrintFile for a reason, but no, it's not as good in a scanner. It's fine for my contacts. However, I've had to make letter size prints(single frame) from old wet contacts of 35mm. So you need to set your own standards. Many older scanners like my microteks required a light lid to replace the regular lid. One light would illuminate from behind and the other would scan the emusion. There is a web source for good glass and holders should you go down that path. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 10/14/2009 at 7:08 PM Lew wrote: >Thanks, Pete: > >I take it that the lid of the scanner contains the light source, the bed >is clear glass & the scanning lens move underneath... is this correct? >Not that I'm interested, but this sounds like it works for >transparencies & negs, not opaque material like prints. How does the >scanner handle these? > >Don't the PrintFile pages reduce sharpness and/or cut down on the >density range of the negs? > >Also, from my attempts to work with another scanner and some very curly >film, putting a sheet of glass on top produced Newton rings rendering >the scans unusable. I didn't try glass over PrintFile, though. > >Thanks again for taking the time to respond at length! >
2009-10-15 by john
Eric is on to something to think about. The V750 is ideal and you can fluid mount with Kami fluid for very nice flat sharp contact proofs that can even be enlarged significantly without dust and focus nightmares. I wish we had that 10 years ago. My life would have been different. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "E.Neilsen" <e.neilsen2@...> wrote:
> > Lew, The Epson 3200 has the light in the lid, but with the 700 series the > light is down below like a regular flat bed scanner. The V750 comes with a > glass holder for holding negs down. > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lew > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:09 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Scan a roll at a time > > Thanks, Pete: > > I take it that the lid of the scanner contains the light source, the bed > is clear glass & the scanning lens move underneath... is this correct? > Not that I'm interested, but this sounds like it works for > transparencies & negs, not opaque material like prints. How does the > scanner handle these? > > Don't the PrintFile pages reduce sharpness and/or cut down on the > density range of the negs? > > Also, from my attempts to work with another scanner and some very curly > film, putting a sheet of glass on top produced Newton rings rendering > the scans unusable. I didn't try glass over PrintFile, though. > > Thanks again for taking the time to respond at length! > > Peter Marshall wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I make 'contact sheets' on a V750 by putting the negs in their > > transparent filing sheet directly on the glass bed, with the 8x10 film > > area guide (210x257mm) in place. Depending on the type of filing sheet > > you can scan 4 or 5 rows of 6 or 7 rows of 5 at a time. Most of my negs > > are in strips of 6, and I usually scan the top 4 rows, then scan the > > bottom 4 (which means I'm scanning the middle of the 7 rows twice, but > > saves having to alter the scanner settings.) Not having to take the > > strips out and fit them into a frame is an incredible time saver, as > > well as reducing the handling risk to negs. > > > > (It would be possible to scan a whole film at a time - 6 strips of 6 - > > just as I used to print them on 8x10 paper - by putting the strips > > directly onto the glass bed and putting a glass sheet on top of them, > > but too time-consuming. I used to make contacts in the darkroom before > > putting them in the filing sheets and would probably try working that > > way on the scanner with newly processed films.) > > > > I scan into Photoshop, then having dealt with a dozen filing sheets or > > so I join up the pairs of scans to give the full sheet for each film - > > not really necessary but only takes a few clicks to copy one, increase > > the canvas size on the second, paste, position, flatten and then save - > > using the film reference number. > > > > The Epson software is fast and does a reasonable job for the scanning at > > 600dpi which gives me a decent size image to look at on screen if I want > > to zoom into a frame. Mostly the sheets lay flat enough - I thought I > > would need a sheet of glass on top, but most seem ok without. It takes a > > little while to adjust the histogram - setting the film base to be very > > close to black and the densest parts of the negs to white - largely > > because the software was written by someone who didn't understand what > > it should do. But if your exposure and dev were consistent you won't > > need to alter it. Colour film is a little trickier as colour balance > > also has to be set, but for b/w its best to scan as grayscale. > > > > It should work with any scanner that says it can handle 8x10 film, not > > just the V700/750. > > > > If I want to make a print I use a neg scanner on the particular frame, > > but the contacts don't need to be clean to do the job, though I give the > > filing sheets and glass a wipe with an anti-static cloth. > > > > Peter Marshall - Photographer, Writer: NUJ > > petermarshall@... > _________________________________________________________________ > > > >> Re:PHOTO http://re-photo.co.uk > >> > > My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ > > London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ > > The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ > > and elsewhere...... > > > > > > > > Lew wrote: > > > >> The 700/750 can do a max of 24 35mm frames at a time (4 strips of 6 > >> frames each). I have years of 36 exposure rolls to do. > >> > >> steve wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I use a Epson 4990. The model has been replaced by the 700/750 (more > expensive). The Epson 600 would work but won't do a whole roll at once. > >>> > >>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew <lew1716@> > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Ok, newbie here. What equipment do I need to scan an entire roll of bw > >>>> (35mm or 120) into a digital proof sheet, similar to wet darkroom > >>>> contact sheets? > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. 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2009-10-15 by Peter Marshall
Hi Lew, The lid has a light source for transparent materials and there is another for opaque things in the box - and you tell the software which you are scanning. I've used several types of page over the years, but mainly the Clear-File brand which are more or less as the name suggests. Also some others slightly less clear. Both seem to work pretty well. The only things that don't are the old glassine? paper ones, and I simply re rehouse the negs in clear filing sheets. Some of those old filing sheets are falling to pieces anyway, so it seems a good idea in any case. There might be a very slight loss in quality, but they certainly look pretty good on screen - and I did a batch to send to a museum earlier in the year and they were find. You do have to carefully set the black and white points to get them right, as the auto setting on the scanner which works fine for most things will try to reproduce the empty areas outside the film as well, and you have to limit it to the range on your negs. I've not had problems with Newtons rings. Probably the dust on my negs helps:-) Regards, Peter Peter Marshall - Photographer, Writer: NUJ petermarshall@... _________________________________________________________________ >Re:PHOTO http://re-photo.co.uk My London Diary http://mylondondiary.co.uk/ London's Industrial Heritage: http://petermarshallphotos.co.uk/ The Buildings of London etc: http://londonphotographs.co.uk/ and elsewhere...... Lew wrote:
> Thanks, Pete: > > I take it that the lid of the scanner contains the light source, the bed > is clear glass & the scanning lens move underneath... is this correct? > Not that I'm interested, but this sounds like it works for > transparencies & negs, not opaque material like prints. How does the > scanner handle these? > > Don't the PrintFile pages reduce sharpness and/or cut down on the > density range of the negs? > > Also, from my attempts to work with another scanner and some very curly > film, putting a sheet of glass on top produced Newton rings rendering > the scans unusable. I didn't try glass over PrintFile, though. > > Thanks again for taking the time to respond at length! > > Peter Marshall wrote: > >
2009-10-15 by Ernst Dinkla
E.Neilsen schreef: > Lew, The Epson 3200 has the light in the lid, but with the 700 series the > light is down below like a regular flat bed scanner. The V750 comes with a > glass holder for holding negs down. While I do not think that this thread should continue here with at least two scanner lists also involved ........ The 3200 had a static light in the lid covering the total film scan area which is smaller than the scanbed. It warmed the film quite a bit so for wet mounting I recommended to use an extra glass sheet and the film clinging to the underside of that glass. That isolated the film and allowed better register on multi scans. The 3200 has one fluorescent lamp on the sensor carriage below for reflective scans. The one lamp arrangement gives more texture contrast in reflective scans. Of course it needs a lamp at that side and not in the lid for reflective scans. There was another F-3200 Epson film scanner that could only scan film and had no lid. Hardly sold to my knowledge and with a kind of glass holders that used a transparant plastic instead of glass. It had more flaws than that. A 4870 proved to be equal on image quality. The V700 and V750 have a synchronised, moving, fluorescent lamp in the lid that covers the entire scanbed as that is also the maximum film size to scan. Heat build up is lower but it is still recommended to get a glass carrier that allows the film to cling on the underside. Doug Fisher's design allows that. The Epson wet mount carrier is delivered with the V750 in the US only, not in Europe and is a clumsy piece of design in my opinion. That is the only glass holder delivered with any Epson and isn't suited for roll scans. The 4870 and 4990 have a similar moving light arrangement but I'm not sure whether both cover the entire scanbed. The V750 and V700 have two fluorescent lamps on the sensor carriage for reflective scanning, on opposite sides of the optical path so giving less texture contrast. The new V600 has a moving LED light source in the lid but covers only a smaller film scan size. Lower energy consumption, no need to warm the lamps before a scan run, cooler environment. All of the flatbeds allow the removal of the lid for object scanning. As this thread moves to basic scanner questions I think it should end here. -- Met vriendelijke groeten, Ernst Dinkla Gallery Canvas Wrap Actions | Dinkla Grafische Techniek | | www.pigment-print.com | | ( unvollendet ) |
2009-10-15 by Clayton Price
Sorry Eric,
I misunderstood. Of course there were occasional problems when
exposures were inconsistent in the same roll of film, which would
sometimes require a couple exposures and piecing together after the
ACR work. But that would be true with scanning film by the roll,
with any method!
Clay
<<<Posted by: "E.Neilsen" e.neilsen2@... platinumeric
Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:19 am (PDT)
Clay, You do understand I mean bracketing your original film
exposures,
n
ot so much a static light set up of a known light source. ; )>>>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2009-10-15 by E.Neilsen
Clayton, You can set batches up to use auto exposure. While it may not be the most precise way to get a good scan, I believe you are just using these fro quick go bys any way. My Epson 3200, V750 and Nikon 9000 allow for this and Vue Scan, Silver fast, Epson Scan, and Nikon Scan do to. You can use the automate feature of PS to generate your files with your method or a flat bed scan with glass. Eric Neilsen Eric Neilsen Photography 4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9 Dallas, TX 75226 www.ericneilsenphotography.com skype me with ejprinter _____
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton Price Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:58 AM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Scan a roll at a time Sorry Eric, I misunderstood. Of course there were occasional problems when exposures were inconsistent in the same roll of film, which would sometimes require a couple exposures and piecing together after the ACR work. But that would be true with scanning film by the roll, with any method! Clay <<<Posted by: "E.Neilsen" e.neilsen2@att. <mailto:e.neilsen2%40att.net> net platinumeric Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:19 am (PDT) Clay, You do understand I mean bracketing your original film exposures, n ot so much a static light set up of a known light source. ; )>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-15 by Barrett Benton
Lew writ: > Commenting in no particular order: > > UMAX seems to have 2 models: the powerlook 2100xl and 2100xl with uta. > Am I correct to assume that the transparency adapter uta-2100xl is > included in the uta model? Yes. > Unfortunately, I have 100's of older Kodak & non-Kodak 6 frame strips > that are anything but flat when left to themselves. Would there be > room > for the sheet of glass? I believe there is enough room, provided you don't use a crazy-thick sheet of glass (which you wouldn't want to do anyway). > Is the transparency adapter a light source or what? Yes, it's a light source. You could scan an 11 x 14 negative with it, if you had one of those negs around. :-) (To the Group: this is my last post in this thread, honest!) - Barrett [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2009-10-15 by Mark Savoia
Yaaaaahhhhh! Mark http://www.stillrivereditions.com On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Barrett Benton wrote: > (To the Group: this is my last post in this thread, honest!)