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CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-05 by kwalsh74

I'm thinking of picking up a Epson 1400 while they are on sale for $200 and I was wondering whether I should go with refillable carts or a CIS/CFS system.  Some quick info:

- I've used a R280 w/3MK-3Y EB-6 last year and enjoyed the results.
- I'm thinking I might be experimenting with some of the C6 dilutions instead this time.
- I don't print a lot (probably twenty 13x19" in a year would be a lot for me)

Based on my low print numbers and fact I might experiment with more than one ink set I'm thinking carts is the correct answer, but I'm willing to be talked into a CIS if it makes sense.

Thanks!

  Ken

Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-05 by edward wiseman

I have lost 3 1280's, and 2 1160's to CIS systems..I now do refills on 2 1400's..One for color, and one for B&W..It's "painless"....No More "no-more-carts" for me..EVER!!

Eddie
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kwalsh74 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:46 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...


    
  I'm thinking of picking up a Epson 1400 while they are on sale for $200 and I was wondering whether I should go with refillable carts or a CIS/CFS system. Some quick info:

  - I've used a R280 w/3MK-3Y EB-6 last year and enjoyed the results.
  - I'm thinking I might be experimenting with some of the C6 dilutions instead this time.
  - I don't print a lot (probably twenty 13x19" in a year would be a lot for me)

  Based on my low print numbers and fact I might experiment with more than one ink set I'm thinking carts is the correct answer, but I'm willing to be talked into a CIS if it makes sense.

  Thanks!

  Ken



  

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Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-05 by R.Ternbach

Anyone have experience with Jon cone's CIS with "Special Edition" inks for
the 1400? I'm about to try this and was wondering what people think.

Best to all,

Rudy


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> I have lost 3 1280's, and 2 1160's to CIS systems..I now do refills on 2
> 1400's..One for color, and one for B&W..It's "painless"....No More
> "no-more-carts" for me..EVER!!
>
> Eddie
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: kwalsh74
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:46 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
>
>
>
>   I'm thinking of picking up a Epson 1400 while they are on sale for $200
> and I was wondering whether I should go with refillable carts or a
> CIS/CFS system. Some quick info:
>
>   - I've used a R280 w/3MK-3Y EB-6 last year and enjoyed the results.
>   - I'm thinking I might be experimenting with some of the C6 dilutions
> instead this time.
>   - I don't print a lot (probably twenty 13x19" in a year would be a lot
> for me)
>
>   Based on my low print numbers and fact I might experiment with more than
> one ink set I'm thinking carts is the correct answer, but I'm willing to
> be talked into a CIS if it makes sense.
>
>   Thanks!
>
>   Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-05 by edward wiseman

My experience with their "older inks" was totally negative..My "archival" prints began to turn  a sick greenish color. ( I'm going back about 5 years ago and about $300 in in Piezotone Inks.!)...I believe they  have a better inksets available today..
In the meatime, I'm VERY happy with the MIS ink solutuion, UT-14 in particular, either using Paul Roark's curves, or Harrington's QTR..

Eddie
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: R.Ternbach 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...


    
  Anyone have experience with Jon cone's CIS with "Special Edition" inks for
  the 1400? I'm about to try this and was wondering what people think.

  Best to all,

  Rudy

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  > I have lost 3 1280's, and 2 1160's to CIS systems..I now do refills on 2
  > 1400's..One for color, and one for B&W..It's "painless"....No More
  > "no-more-carts" for me..EVER!!
  >
  > Eddie
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: kwalsh74
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:46 PM
  > Subject: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
  >
  >
  >
  > I'm thinking of picking up a Epson 1400 while they are on sale for $200
  > and I was wondering whether I should go with refillable carts or a
  > CIS/CFS system. Some quick info:
  >
  > - I've used a R280 w/3MK-3Y EB-6 last year and enjoyed the results.
  > - I'm thinking I might be experimenting with some of the C6 dilutions
  > instead this time.
  > - I don't print a lot (probably twenty 13x19" in a year would be a lot
  > for me)
  >
  > Based on my low print numbers and fact I might experiment with more than
  > one ink set I'm thinking carts is the correct answer, but I'm willing to
  > be talked into a CIS if it makes sense.
  >
  > Thanks!
  >
  > Ken
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >



  

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Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-05 by R.Ternbach

My experience with Jon cone's inks with Harrington's QTR has been more
recent than yours and has been very positive but I would like to try MIS
inks and Paul Roark's curves in the 1400 CIS I got from Jon Cone to
compare results I get with the "Special Edition" inks and then decide
which to stick with in the 1400.

Rudy
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>    My experience with their "older inks" was totally negative..My
> "archival" prints began to turn  a sick greenish color. ( I'm going
> back about 5 years ago and about $300 in in Piezotone Inks.!)...I
> believe they  have a better inksets available today..
> In the meatime, I'm VERY happy with the MIS ink solutuion, UT-14 in
> particular, either using Paul Roark's curves, or Harrington's QTR..
>
> Eddie
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: R.Ternbach
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 1:37 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
>
>
>
>   Anyone have experience with Jon cone's CIS with "Special Edition" inks
> for
>   the 1400? I'm about to try this and was wondering what people think.
>
>   Best to all,
>
>   Rudy
>
>   --------------------------------
>   > I have lost 3 1280's, and 2 1160's to CIS systems..I now do refills on
> 2
>   > 1400's..One for color, and one for B&W..It's "painless"....No More
>   > "no-more-carts" for me..EVER!!
>   >
>   > Eddie
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: kwalsh74
>   > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:46 PM
>   > Subject: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > I'm thinking of picking up a Epson 1400 while they are on sale for
> $200
>   > and I was wondering whether I should go with refillable carts or a
>   > CIS/CFS system. Some quick info:
>   >
>   > - I've used a R280 w/3MK-3Y EB-6 last year and enjoyed the results.
>   > - I'm thinking I might be experimenting with some of the C6 dilutions
>   > instead this time.
>   > - I don't print a lot (probably twenty 13x19" in a year would be a lot
>   > for me)
>   >
>   > Based on my low print numbers and fact I might experiment with more
> than
>   > one ink set I'm thinking carts is the correct answer, but I'm willing
> to
>   > be talked into a CIS if it makes sense.
>   >
>   > Thanks!
>   >
>   > Ken
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>   >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-05 by James Irelan

My experience with Jon's CIS for the 1400 has been pretty bad, bad enough to make me initially think badly of the printer, which there is probably nothing wrong with, and in fact has gotten rave reviews from some knowledgeable characters here.  I started using CISes with the very first NoMoCarts, with great success.  I was 100% enthusiastic about them, and so it is with a lot of frustration and disappointment that I report that I have had nothing but problems with these two CISes in two 1400s; in fact, I'm going to go to the MIS refill carts as soon as I get enough time away from my other demands.  I have his special ink, too, not yet installed. I was a very early adopter of Piezo back when, and yes, my initial prints could be green, but somehow I managed to also get some quite beautiful, platinum-like prints from those early inks which weren't green.  Don't remember now what it was that turned it around.  So I'm a fan of Jon's products, but these CISes for the 1400 haven't worked out for me.  

James

Re: [Digital BW] CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-06 by Sam McCandless

On Dec 5, 2009, at 9:46 AM, kwalsh74 wrote:

> I'm thinking of picking up a Epson 1400 while they are on sale for  
> $200 and I was wondering whether I should go with refillable carts  
> or a CIS/CFS system.  Some quick info:
>
> - I've used a R280 w/3MK-3Y EB-6 last year and enjoyed the results.  
> [snip]

Epson has, I believe, replaced the 280, at least in the U.S., with the  
Artisan 50 at $130, currently less a $20 rebate:

<http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/ProductCategory.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=yes&oid=-8165&iref=printerhubflash_001_single-function_pos2 
 >

and I wonder whether its cartridges might be re-filled and used with  
the inks we prefer. I'm afraid not. Notice that the Artisan 50's  
cartridges have a new "SmartValve" technology and that "The integrated  
cartridge chips on Epson cartridges continuously record ink use  
information that is automatically restored to the printer if the  
cartridges are removed and reinstalled."

I'm guessing that if a SmartValved cart is reinstalled with more ink  
in it than was in it when it was removed, then it won't work.

Otherwise, the 50 seems to me an attractive option for small-format  
work, because its carts come both in a "Standard Capacity" size and in  
a "High Capacity" (~60 percent more) size which would be more  
convenient.

What if an un-used and therefore full SmartValved cartridge were  
drained, flushed, re-filled with less ink, and then re-installed?  
Would it then pass muster?
--
Sam
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> - I'm thinking I might be experimenting with some of the C6  
> dilutions instead this time.
> - I don't print a lot (probably twenty 13x19" in a year would be a  
> lot for me)
>
> Based on my low print numbers and fact I might experiment with more  
> than one ink set I'm thinking carts is the correct answer, but I'm  
> willing to be talked into a CIS if it makes sense.
>
> Thanks!
>
>  Ken

Re: CIS or carts for 1400...

2009-12-06 by kwalsh74

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Sam McCandless <samcc@...> wrote:

> Epson has, I believe, replaced the 280, at least in the U.S., with the  
> Artisan 50 at $130, currently less a $20 rebate:
> 

> and I wonder whether its cartridges might be re-filled and used with  
> the inks we prefer. I'm afraid not. Notice that the Artisan 50's  
> cartridges have a new "SmartValve" technology and that "The integrated  
> cartridge chips on Epson cartridges continuously record ink use  
> information that is automatically restored to the printer if the  
> cartridges are removed and reinstalled."

It appears that the Artisan 50 uses the same type 78 carts as the R280 and that the exact same refillable carts can be used with it.  Most all the Epson printers for some years now have used chipped ink carts and the chips have been cloned by 3rd parties for some time.  I suppose it is possible they somehow changed something with the Artisan but it doesn't appear to use a cartridge any different from the previous printers and there are lots of people selling non-OEM refillable carts on E-bay for the Artisan 50.

If it is at all like the 280 it is a good way to get started.  I actually picked up my R280 for free after rebate last January!

Ken

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