Digital BW, The Print

It looks like I'll be purchasing a monitor in the near future. What
recommendations can the list make without sending me to the poorhouse? I'll
be doing digital b&w exclusively.


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Price range?

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> without sending me to the poorhouse?

Say $1000 max with the proviso that I'd spend more if I got a whole lot more
for it, and I'll spend less if I feel that the features don't warrant the
expense.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@stillrivereditions.com>wrote:

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> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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> On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
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> > without sending me to the poorhouse?
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Around $1200, Eizo CE210W

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 8, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:

> Say $1000 max with the proviso that I'd spend more if I got a whole  
> lot more
> for it, and I'll spend less if I feel that the features don't  
> warrant the
> expense.
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> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@... 
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>> Mark
>> http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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I have  LaCie 324 that I like.  Unfortunately I got it when I was still
running 32bit OS, and when I upgraded to XP 64bit last summer it turned out
that the LaCie's calibration software "Blue Eye" is not compatible with my
64bit OS.  Oh, and their customer service was is a pity.

The monitor has performed great, though.

John Sanderson
NYC

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:08 AM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716@...> wrote:

> Say $1000 max with the proviso that I'd spend more if I got a whole lot
> more
> for it, and I'll spend less if I feel that the features don't warrant the
> expense.
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> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mark Savoia <mark@...
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> > Price range?
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> > Mark
> > http://www.stillrivereditions.com
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> > On Jan 8, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Lew Schwartz wrote:
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I have and like the Dell 2209WA.


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Hi Lew,

How about an Apple Cimema Display?

I'm thinking of picking up one myself. My CRT's getting old.

I'm not into Apple, but I do like their monitors.

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew Schwartz <lew1716@...> wrote:

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> It looks like I'll be purchasing a monitor in the near future. What
> recommendations can the list make without sending me to the poorhouse? I'll
> be doing digital b&w exclusively.
> 
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FYI. Apple monitors look good, vibrant color, bright, and  
contrasty, ..... but they are very hard to calibrate to real world  
printing. If using a monitor profiling software it is all but  
impossible to turn down the brightness enough to calibrate.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 8, 2010, at 1:38 PM, scott_now_coming wrote:

> Hi Lew,
>
> How about an Apple Cimema Display?
>
> I'm thinking of picking up one myself. My CRT's getting old.
>
> I'm not into Apple, but I do like their monitors.
>
> Scott

Although this is non led its pretty good. I would wait to see all the new 
monitor offerings from CES this week.
NEC LCD2690WUXi2 
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist.jsp&A=cart&Q=add&sku=599905&is=REG&addedTroughType=search&
addedTroughValue=nec+multisync+lcd2690wuxi&q=1

Steve Lacko


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If you are honestly only concerned about B&W printing then you certainly don't need a wide gamut display.  That will save you a bunch of money right from the get go.

Next, make sure you've got a PVA or IPS panel.  And make sure you are buying a model that is known to not switch panel types.  This is a frequent problem, make the first few batches with nice IPS panels and ship those to reviewers.  Then keep the same model number but switch to a crappy MVA panel instead.  Dell and HP are frequent offenders.  Unfortunately you really need to do your homework or pay a bit more for something like a NEC if you want to know 100% what you are getting.

What size is a big question.

Finally, definitely find user reviews on the monitor for the above mentioned reason - monitor companies make sure only the best go to the reviewers for the first bit of production.  After that - well it is hard to say what will happen.  Dell has a monitor out there now that they advertise as using a specific panel technology and meeting a specific delta E.  Problem is they only test it in the center of the panel and people are getting truly horrific magenta to green shifts in tone from one edge to the other.  Dell's response is, "It is within our spec, since we only measure the center, so kindly go pound sand".

This is the best resource I know of:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=39226

Again, the major point is that the "awesome" deals to sometimes be had from Dell, HP and the like are sometimes fraught with peril.

Good luck!  My experience is researching and purchasing a monitor sucks :(.

Ken

I have just replaced my two 19" monitors with the NEC MultiSync 3090W-BK-SV 30" Widescreen LCD Display with Color Calibrator from B&H. I am extremely pleased with it. No dead pixels, very even illumination, great profiling hardware and software. Extremely configurable. Kept me away from the Apple products and didn't break the bank like other high end brands who's prices just get rediculous. Couldn't be happier!!

Eizo CG222W, 22" diagonal, 1,424 incl shipping, from InkjetMall. Includes Eizo ColorNavigator software, and support from Jon Cone and his people in addition to support from Eizo.  I've had mine for 2 months, real nice for B&W.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Lew Schwartz <lew1716@...> wrote:

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> It looks like I'll be purchasing a monitor in the near future. What
> recommendations can the list make without sending me to the poorhouse? I'll
> be doing digital b&w exclusively.
> 
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Which monitor for B&W only?

That's a very interesting question that I don't think I've ever seen asked before.  All the advice you normally see is based on color gamut and calibration capability being of utmost importance.  Since you're only going to use it for B&W, it would seem that a wide gamut, highly accurate color reproduction monitor, ie, expensive,  is not needed.   It would seem that you only need to be able to calibrate so black and white point are properly shown and then the intermediate tones are displayed in relatively correct (linear) manner.  

Is this correct?   Does this much more narrow need (than for quality color work) really require the premium monitors that people here are suggesting???

I've gone from an Artisan to a brand I never heard of. My research came up  
with a monitor that has the same panel (read guts) as the NEC 2690, which 
sells  for $1400.
The brand name is Planar (Play-nar), and the model is the Planar PX2611W.  
It is a 26" screen, was easily calibrated with my Eye 1, and is a joy to 
work  with. 
I found a 3rd party hood, put it on, and I now have a shielded screen that  
really does a fine job. The cost was $835.00 delivered.
I highly recommend this approach. Google it.
 
Rich
_www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) 
 
 


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Rich,
Where did you find the third party hood for your 26" monitor?

Stephen Lacko


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In a message dated 1/9/2010 5:18:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
stephenpho@... writes:

Rich,
Where did you find the third party hood for your 26"  monitor?

Stephen Lacko





_Computer  Monitor Hoods | Photodon.com_ 
(http://www.photodon.com/c/Computer-Monitor-Hoods.html)  
 
Works great. Adjustable sizes. Measure the actual width across the top of  
the monitor, not the monitor "size".
 
I screwed up.
 
Rich
_www.rmassiephotography.com_ (http://www.rmassiephotography.com) 
 
 


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Heads Up!         New Monitor just announced

 

Dell just announced a new monitor called the U2711.  It is 27 inches and
boasts 110% of Adobe RGB gamut.  The preliminary reports say it
addresses the issues that the U2410 had.  It looks really promising.
One price listed says $1049.  Here is the link to the CNET test reviews:

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/dell-ultrasharp-u2711/4505-3174_7-3
3913833.html?tag=mncol;txt

 

They compare this monitor to other lower priced monitors but it would be
interesting to see how it compares to the high end monitors.

 

Thanks

mike



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