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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-20 by Richard Sintchak

My 2200 started telling me it was time to change the waste pads a few weeks
ago.  I keep printing anyway and finally this weekend the printer locked up
and went into all-lights-flashing mode.  I found a tool online to re-set the
ink pad waste counter and it's running again.  I have no clue where to take
or send the printer to have the waste pads replaced, or how much it costs.
I would guess it's at least a $100-200?

Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill?  Or how much
time before I should be concerned with that?

I just got a 1400 and my eboni-6 carts are arriving tomorrow which will
become my main B&W printer (which is 98% of my printing) so the 2200 will be
taking the back shelf and be used for the occasional color print but am
still wondering if I should pay to have the waste pads replaced or if it's
even worth it....

-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:39 AM, pr_roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
>
> This may be the "required maintenance" signal to change the waste ink pads.
> Epson has software on its web page to override it.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Jean Verrept <j.verrept@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all.
> > I managed to block my Epson R2400. After I changed a MP for a PK I
> printed
> > two sheets and then the cartridge block came to a standstill, two red
> lights
> > flickering. I guess the cartridge is to blame but I can�t get it out.
> > Question, how do I move the cartridge block to the left manually. There
> > should be a catch somewhere but I don�t see or feel it. Advice much
> > appreciated.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Jean.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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[Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-20 by wlh_1

FYI Ink Republic sells an ink pad replacement kit for several printers which involves some tubing and a bottle and instructions to install it. Basically it re-routes the waste ink to an external bottle which can be emptied from time to time. The mod is simple and I install it as a matter of course in new printers.

Then all that has to be done when the printer says that the ink pads need to be replaced is to re-set the waste ink counter either by the actual maintenance program for the printer or various 3rd party apps. or even on the Epson website.

Cheers

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> > Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill?  ...
> 
> Yes, it happened to me.  I'd guess at 1.5 x the Epson warning if the printer is carried and tipped too much -- like mine was.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-20 by Brubaker family

Go over and join the Yahoo Epson printer group and you can search the archives for this topic.  A good resource to get is Art Entlich's Epson printer cleaning manual. (You have to email him directly to request a copy - his email address will be in the archives.)
Basically, Art recommends putting some kind of shallow catch tray and blotter (like newspaper) under your printer to contain any eventual ink overflow spill.  Also recommended as an alternative is re-routing the printer's waste ink tube from the pads to an external collection jar.  This requires drilling a hole in the printer case so the tube can get outside the printer.  Some have disassembled their printers to the point of being able to replace the pads with absorbent disposable diaper padding.  The difficulty level varies with the printer.  Some of the C series printers were apparently designed by Epson to never be able to be disassembled/reassembled.
Hope this helps.
Mike Brubaker

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Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.
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Yes, it happened to me.  I'd guess at 1.5 x the Epson warning if the printer is carried and tipped too much -- like mine was.



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[Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-22 by steve

I placed an external waste ink bottle and it works fine. You'll be amazed how much ink Epson dumps on each cleaning cycle. Watching 10-15cc pump out is painful and expensive.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wlh_1" <will@...> wrote:
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>
> FYI Ink Republic sells an ink pad replacement kit for several printers which involves some tubing and a bottle and instructions to install it. Basically it re-routes the waste ink to an external bottle which can be emptied from time to time. The mod is simple and I install it as a matter of course in new printers.
> 
> Then all that has to be done when the printer says that the ink pads need to be replaced is to re-set the waste ink counter either by the actual maintenance program for the printer or various 3rd party apps. or even on the Epson website.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > > Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill?  ...
> > 
> > Yes, it happened to me.  I'd guess at 1.5 x the Epson warning if the printer is carried and tipped too much -- like mine was.
> > 
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-22 by pdesmidt tds.net

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:12 PM, steve <steve_wadlington@...> wrote:

>
>
> I placed an external waste ink bottle and it works fine. You'll be amazed
> how much ink Epson dumps on each cleaning cycle. Watching 10-15cc pump out
> is painful and expensive.
>
> Steve
>
>

Yeah, it's depressing to watch the waste bottle fill up, especially when one
is trying to get rid of a clog.


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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-22 by R Craig Blackman

I have been using the 2200 for over 2 years, and have had little trouble with it. The issue of "waste pads" is new to me. I can use all the help I can get. Tell me "who, what, when, where" so I can be ready when the flag goes up. Please.

I am new to this site. B&W is my passion and I have never printed a B&W regardless of what paper I use that has blown my socks off. I wait for the day that big B&W print in the sky comes to life. Photoshop CS4 is helping some.

I am sick of reading books, wasting paper and ink and not getting any satisfaction. Perhaps my expectations exceed reality.

I have thought that if I upgrade to the R2880, my issues would be solved. But I suspect the monster "green" would show up in my all B&W prints.

Ready the "stuff" on this site, makes me think the way to go is get a 1400 for B&W and go back to using the 2200 for color.

Any comments?
Craig Blackman




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From: Richard Sintchak <rich815@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 11:32:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

My 2200 started telling me it was time to change the waste pads a few weeks
ago.  I keep printing anyway and finally this weekend the printer locked up
and went into all-lights-flashing mode.  I found a tool online to re-set the
ink pad waste counter and it's running again.  I have no clue where to take
or send the printer to have the waste pads replaced, or how much it costs.
I would guess it's at least a $100-200?

Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill?  Or how much
time before I should be concerned with that?

I just got a 1400 and my eboni-6 carts are arriving tomorrow which will
become my main B&W printer (which is 98% of my printing) so the 2200 will be
taking the back shelf and be used for the occasional color print but am
still wondering if I should pay to have the waste pads replaced or if it's
even worth it....

-- 
Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 8:39 AM, pr_roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:

>
>
> This may be the "required maintenance" signal to change the waste ink pads.
> Epson has software on its web page to override it.
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com <http://www.paulroark.com/>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com<DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Jean Verrept <j.verrept@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all.
> > I managed to block my Epson R2400. After I changed a MP for a PK I
> printed
> > two sheets and then the cartridge block came to a standstill, two red
> lights
> > flickering. I guess the cartridge is to blame but I can¹t get it out.
> > Question, how do I move the cartridge block to the left manually. There
> > should be a catch somewhere but I don¹t see or feel it. Advice much
> > appreciated.
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Jean.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>  
>


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[Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-22 by pr_roark

R Craig Blackman <blac1588@...> wrote:
>
> I have been using the 2200 for over 2 years, and have had little trouble with it. The issue of "waste pads" is new to me...

All of the Epson desktop printers use pads in the base of the printer to absorb and store waste ink, which is always produced in the course of printing, particularly when cleaning cycles are done.  Ultimately, these pads fill up.  The printer keeps track of the amount of waste ink via its software, and when the internal counter says the pads are full the 2 red lights on the printer will flash, signaling that service is required.  

Epson now has a reset utility that can be used to reset this counter.  I suspect Epson made the public to avoid people going to the Russian SSC software.

You can usually get considerably more life out of the printer by doing a software reset.  Since the pads will ultimately fill up, some perform minor surgery on the printer to stop the ink from being dumped into the base of the printer, guiding it to an outside bottle instead.  Whether this leads to more clogging is an interesting issue.  Presumably the ink waste pads raise the humidity inside the printer and help hold down the drying of ink on the heads, which, of course, is the usual cause of a true clog (as opposed to air in the line due to poor carts and filling procedures, or having the CIS bottles too low).


> I am new to this site.

Welcome.  

> B&W is my passion and I have never printed a B&W regardless of what paper I use that has blown my socks off...

I'm guessing you're using an OEM inkset and approach.

>... Photoshop CS4 is helping some.

Photoshop 4 is what got me going on digital printing.

> I am sick of reading books,

They are source materials (or sleep aides).

> wasting paper and ink 

Go cheap so it doesn't hurt so much.  Take a look at Red River papers.  Aurora natural is becoming a favorite value fine art paper for me.  Matte paper has way less artifacts and problems than glossy.  Under glass they look about the same.


> ... the monster "green" would show up in my all B&W prints.

"Green" can a profiling problem, metamerism issue (changing light and too much color in the print), and, way down the road, a differential fade problem (again, too much color and weak magenta).  Dedicated B&W approaches help with the color shades.  They can avoid color inks entirely, either by being 100% carbon or being pre-mixed blends that use the minimum amount of color needed to cool down the warm carbon.  High gamut color inks require very accurate profiling to control and cause other problems in B&W.


> ... makes me think the way to go is get a 1400 for B&W and go back to using the 2200 for color.

I agree.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-23 by R Craig Blackman

Paul, I've read ALL your "stuff" and continue to do so.
Thanks for your rapid response; thoughtful of you. And, as always, professional.

Considering what I wrote about my passion for B&W and the fact that I am using MIS inks for the 2200, what is your thoughts about moving upto the2880?
Craig




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From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:45:23 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

  
R Craig Blackman <blac1588@.. .> wrote:
>
> I have been using the 2200 for over 2 years, and have had little trouble with it. The issue of "waste pads" is new to me...

All of the Epson desktop printers use pads in the base of the printer to absorb and store waste ink, which is always produced in the course of printing, particularly when cleaning cycles are done. Ultimately, these pads fill up. The printer keeps track of the amount of waste ink via its software, and when the internal counter says the pads are full the 2 red lights on the printer will flash, signaling that service is required. 

Epson now has a reset utility that can be used to reset this counter. I suspect Epson made the public to avoid people going to the Russian SSC software.

You can usually get considerably more life out of the printer by doing a software reset. Since the pads will ultimately fill up, some perform minor surgery on the printer to stop the ink from being dumped into the base of the printer, guiding it to an outside bottle instead. Whether this leads to more clogging is an interesting issue. Presumably the ink waste pads raise the humidity inside the printer and help hold down the drying of ink on the heads, which, of course, is the usual cause of a true clog (as opposed to air in the line due to poor carts and filling procedures, or having the CIS bottles too low).

> I am new to this site.

Welcome. 

> B&W is my passion and I have never printed a B&W regardless of what paper I use that has blown my socks off...

I'm guessing you're using an OEM inkset and approach.

>... Photoshop CS4 is helping some.

Photoshop 4 is what got me going on digital printing.

> I am sick of reading books,

They are source materials (or sleep aides).

> wasting paper and ink 

Go cheap so it doesn't hurt so much. Take a look at Red River papers. Aurora natural is becoming a favorite value fine art paper for me. Matte paper has way less artifacts and problems than glossy. Under glass they look about the same.

> ... the monster "green" would show up in my all B&W prints.

"Green" can a profiling problem, metamerism issue (changing light and too much color in the print), and, way down the road, a differential fade problem (again, too much color and weak magenta). Dedicated B&W approaches help with the color shades. They can avoid color inks entirely, either by being 100% carbon or being pre-mixed blends that use the minimum amount of color needed to cool down the warm carbon. High gamut color inks require very accurate profiling to control and cause other problems in B&W.

> ... makes me think the way to go is get a 1400 for B&W and go back to using the 2200 for color.

I agree.

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 




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[Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-23 by pr_roark

Craig Blackman <blac1588@...> wrote:
>
> ... Considering what I wrote about my passion for B&W and the fact that I am using MIS inks for the 2200, what is your thoughts about moving upto the2880?


It'll be a clear improvement over the 2200.  If you want to print color + B&W, it'd be particularly good.  I personally, think you may ultimately want to go with dedicated B&W.  My current favorite is the 1400, but there are too many variables to say that is best for all.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-23 by R Craig Blackman

I am going to give it a shot.
Craig




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From: pr_roark <paul.roark@...>
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, January 23, 2010 8:49:47 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

  
Craig Blackman <blac1588@.. .> wrote:
>
> ... Considering what I wrote about my passion for B&W and the fact that I am using MIS inks for the 2200, what is your thoughts about moving upto the2880?

It'll be a clear improvement over the 2200. If you want to print color + B&W, it'd be particularly good. I personally, think you may ultimately want to go with dedicated B&W. My current favorite is the 1400, but there are too many variables to say that is best for all.

Paul
www.PaulRoark. com 




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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-27 by Larry Heath

Steve I'll let you in on a secret, I buy bulk ink by the PINT! for each of 8 colors at $50.00 a pop and for TWO printers, 8 color and 8 back tints ($50 a pop) for color printing and one for B&W printing. Never buy Epson ink! MIS inks are reasonably priced and as good or better than Epson. Depending on what printer you have you can go refill kits or continuous feed supply, save way long green. Get a chip resetter and refill your current cartages with bulk.

By the way I can do B&W prints up to 17" x 45", if you need bigger than a (A4) letter size print, or longer if I use one of the aftermarket RIP's.

Here is the place that I use. http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?

Later Larry
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: steve 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:12 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.


    
  I placed an external waste ink bottle and it works fine. You'll be amazed how much ink Epson dumps on each cleaning cycle. Watching 10-15cc pump out is painful and expensive.

  Steve

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wlh_1" <will@...> wrote:
  >
  > FYI Ink Republic sells an ink pad replacement kit for several printers which involves some tubing and a bottle and instructions to install it. Basically it re-routes the waste ink to an external bottle which can be emptied from time to time. The mod is simple and I install it as a matter of course in new printers.
  > 
  > Then all that has to be done when the printer says that the ink pads need to be replaced is to re-set the waste ink counter either by the actual maintenance program for the printer or various 3rd party apps. or even on the Epson website.
  > 
  > Cheers
  > 
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
  > >
  > > 
  > > > Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill? ...
  > > 
  > > Yes, it happened to me. I'd guess at 1.5 x the Epson warning if the printer is carried and tipped too much -- like mine was.
  > > 
  > > Paul
  > > www.PaulRoark.com
  > >
  >



  

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Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-27 by steve

Sorry, you're talking to the wrong person. I mix my own.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Heath" <lgheath@...> wrote:
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>
> Steve I'll let you in on a secret, I buy bulk ink by the PINT! for each of 8 colors at $50.00 a pop and for TWO printers, 8 color and 8 back tints ($50 a pop) for color printing and one for B&W printing. Never buy Epson ink! MIS inks are reasonably priced and as good or better than Epson. Depending on what printer you have you can go refill kits or continuous feed supply, save way long green. Get a chip resetter and refill your current cartages with bulk.
> 
> By the way I can do B&W prints up to 17" x 45", if you need bigger than a (A4) letter size print, or longer if I use one of the aftermarket RIP's.
> 
> Here is the place that I use. http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?
> 
> Later Larry
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: steve 
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:12 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.
> 
> 
>     
>   I placed an external waste ink bottle and it works fine. You'll be amazed how much ink Epson dumps on each cleaning cycle. Watching 10-15cc pump out is painful and expensive.
> 
>   Steve
> 
>   --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wlh_1" <will@> wrote:
>   >
>   > FYI Ink Republic sells an ink pad replacement kit for several printers which involves some tubing and a bottle and instructions to install it. Basically it re-routes the waste ink to an external bottle which can be emptied from time to time. The mod is simple and I install it as a matter of course in new printers.
>   > 
>   > Then all that has to be done when the printer says that the ink pads need to be replaced is to re-set the waste ink counter either by the actual maintenance program for the printer or various 3rd party apps. or even on the Epson website.
>   > 
>   > Cheers
>   > 
>   > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > 
>   > > > Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill? ...
>   > > 
>   > > Yes, it happened to me. I'd guess at 1.5 x the Epson warning if the printer is carried and tipped too much -- like mine was.
>   > > 
>   > > Paul
>   > > www.PaulRoark.com
>   > >
>   >
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.

2010-01-27 by Larry Heath

Yup, not paying attention. Different steve.
 
Later Larry
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: steve 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:34 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.


    
  Sorry, you're talking to the wrong person. I mix my own.

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Heath" <lgheath@...> wrote:
  >
  > Steve I'll let you in on a secret, I buy bulk ink by the PINT! for each of 8 colors at $50.00 a pop and for TWO printers, 8 color and 8 back tints ($50 a pop) for color printing and one for B&W printing. Never buy Epson ink! MIS inks are reasonably priced and as good or better than Epson. Depending on what printer you have you can go refill kits or continuous feed supply, save way long green. Get a chip resetter and refill your current cartages with bulk.
  > 
  > By the way I can do B&W prints up to 17" x 45", if you need bigger than a (A4) letter size print, or longer if I use one of the aftermarket RIP's.
  > 
  > Here is the place that I use. http://www.inksupply.com/index.cfm?
  > 
  > Later Larry
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: steve 
  > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:12 PM
  > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Was: R2400, NOW: waste pad replacement and warning.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > I placed an external waste ink bottle and it works fine. You'll be amazed how much ink Epson dumps on each cleaning cycle. Watching 10-15cc pump out is painful and expensive.
  > 
  > Steve
  > 
  > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wlh_1" <will@> wrote:
  > >
  > > FYI Ink Republic sells an ink pad replacement kit for several printers which involves some tubing and a bottle and instructions to install it. Basically it re-routes the waste ink to an external bottle which can be emptied from time to time. The mod is simple and I install it as a matter of course in new printers.
  > > 
  > > Then all that has to be done when the printer says that the ink pads need to be replaced is to re-set the waste ink counter either by the actual maintenance program for the printer or various 3rd party apps. or even on the Epson website.
  > > 
  > > Cheers
  > > 
  > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <paul.roark@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > 
  > > > > Anyone know if the waste pads eventually overflow and spill? ...
  > > > 
  > > > Yes, it happened to me. I'd guess at 1.5 x the Epson warning if the printer is carried and tipped too much -- like mine was.
  > > > 
  > > > Paul
  > > > www.PaulRoark.com
  > > >
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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