Digital BW, The Print

I've been printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber using the K3 inskset and getting wonderfully neutral prints under by 5000k lighting setup.

After not printing for a couple of weeks, the prints today are all coming out with a green cast. I have to go -26 vertical 26 horizontal to even approach a neutral tone.

I thought I had a faulty magenta cart, so I replaced it with a new one. Nope. Same thing. Even opened a new box of paper, thinking the other box had gone bad.

Even printed through QTR on both Ilford and Silver Rag with curve 1 cool and curve 2 neutral, and still got the green cast.

Do I have a plugged magenta line? Any ideas at all out there? Thanks!

G

What happens if you Print Black only?
On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:28 PM, glemasurier wrote:

> I've been printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber using the K3 inskset and getting wonderfully neutral prints under by 5000k lighting setup.
> 
> After not printing for a couple of weeks, the prints today are all coming out with a green cast. I have to go -26 vertical 26 horizontal to even approach a neutral tone.
> 
> I thought I had a faulty magenta cart, so I replaced it with a new one. Nope. Same thing. Even opened a new box of paper, thinking the other box had gone bad.
> 
> Even printed through QTR on both Ilford and Silver Rag with curve 1 cool and curve 2 neutral, and still got the green cast.
> 
> Do I have a plugged magenta line? Any ideas at all out there? Thanks!
> 
> G
> 
> 



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Did you run a nozzle check?

Richard S.
Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

My Photography Website
http://www.lightshadowandtone.com

My Flickr River
http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/


On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:28 PM, glemasurier <
george.lemasurier@...> wrote:

>
>
> I've been printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber using the K3 inskset and
> getting wonderfully neutral prints under by 5000k lighting setup.
>
> After not printing for a couple of weeks, the prints today are all coming
> out with a green cast. I have to go -26 vertical 26 horizontal to even
> approach a neutral tone.
>
> I thought I had a faulty magenta cart, so I replaced it with a new one.
> Nope. Same thing. Even opened a new box of paper, thinking the other box had
> gone bad.
>
> Even printed through QTR on both Ilford and Silver Rag with curve 1 cool
> and curve 2 neutral, and still got the green cast.
>
> Do I have a plugged magenta line? Any ideas at all out there? Thanks!
>
> G
>
>  
>


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Yep. Ran a nozzle check. All good. Cleaned the heads, too.
Just made a black-only print and even that has a green cast. Holy crap. Maybe it's my eyes. Except that all my prior prints look fine when held next to this black-only but horribly "green" print. Am I insane?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:

>
> Did you run a nozzle check?
> 
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)

>

Back to basics.  Correct setup in PS and correct profile????

 

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glemasurier
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Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Suddenly, a green cast

 

  

Yep. Ran a nozzle check. All good. Cleaned the heads, too.
Just made a black-only print and even that has a green cast. Holy crap.
Maybe it's my eyes. Except that all my prior prints look fine when held next
to this black-only but horribly "green" print. Am I insane?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhit
<mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint%40yahoogroups.com>
eThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:
>
> Did you run a nozzle check?
> 
> Richard S.
> Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> 
> My Photography Website
> http://www.lightsha <http://www.lightshadowandtone.com> dowandtone.com
> 
> My Flickr River
> http://flickriver.
<http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/>
com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:28 PM, glemasurier <
> george.lemasurier@...> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I've been printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber using the K3 inskset and
> > getting wonderfully neutral prints under by 5000k lighting setup.
> >
> > After not printing for a couple of weeks, the prints today are all
coming
> > out with a green cast. I have to go -26 vertical 26 horizontal to even
> > approach a neutral tone.
> >
> > I thought I had a faulty magenta cart, so I replaced it with a new one.
> > Nope. Same thing. Even opened a new box of paper, thinking the other box
had
> > gone bad.
> >
> > Even printed through QTR on both Ilford and Silver Rag with curve 1 cool
> > and curve 2 neutral, and still got the green cast.
> >
> > Do I have a plugged magenta line? Any ideas at all out there? Thanks!
> >
> > G
> >
> > 
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>





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black only maybe your black ink is bad?
On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, glemasurier wrote:

> Yep. Ran a nozzle check. All good. Cleaned the heads, too.
> Just made a black-only print and even that has a green cast. Holy crap. Maybe it's my eyes. Except that all my prior prints look fine when held next to this black-only but horribly "green" print. Am I insane?
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard Sintchak <rich815@...> wrote:
> >
> > Did you run a nozzle check?
> > 
> > Richard S.
> > Albany, CA (San Francisco bay area)
> > 
> > My Photography Website
> > http://www.lightshadowandtone.com
> > 
> > My Flickr River
> > http://flickriver.com/photos/rich8155/popular-interesting/
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 12:28 PM, glemasurier <
> > george.lemasurier@...> wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been printing on Epson Exhibition Fiber using the K3 inskset and
> > > getting wonderfully neutral prints under by 5000k lighting setup.
> > >
> > > After not printing for a couple of weeks, the prints today are all coming
> > > out with a green cast. I have to go -26 vertical 26 horizontal to even
> > > approach a neutral tone.
> > >
> > > I thought I had a faulty magenta cart, so I replaced it with a new one.
> > > Nope. Same thing. Even opened a new box of paper, thinking the other box had
> > > gone bad.
> > >
> > > Even printed through QTR on both Ilford and Silver Rag with curve 1 cool
> > > and curve 2 neutral, and still got the green cast.
> > >
> > > Do I have a plugged magenta line? Any ideas at all out there? Thanks!
> > >
> > > G
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> 
> 



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Replaced the PK, LLK and LK carts and still the same, even through QTR.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Grant <studiopbg@...> wrote:

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> black only maybe your black ink is bad?
> On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, glemasurier wrote:
>

Shake your black cart gently, get some ink through the printer and try again. It could have settled.

Mark
http://www.stillrivereditions.com

On Jan 30, 2010, at 4:06 PM, glemasurier wrote:

> Replaced the PK, LLK and LK carts and still the same, even through QTR.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Paul Grant <studiopbg@...> wrote:
>> 
>> black only maybe your black ink is bad?
>> On Jan 30, 2010, at 12:45 PM, glemasurier wrote:
>>

"glemasurier" <george.lemasurier@...> wrote:
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> ... K3 inskset ... neutral ...
> 
> After not printing for a couple of weeks, the prints today are all coming out with a green cast...

I assume you're using a wide format printer.  If not, my comments probably won't apply.

In my experience, magenta pigments settle faster than most.  I had that problem with blended inks -- see page 4 of http://www.paulroark.com/BW-Info/4K+.pdf, where I measured the green shift in my 7500 with an MIS ink blend.

With my generic base I've tested several makes of magenta, and they have all shown signs of settling.

I was suspicious that the magenta may also differentially stick to the lines, but I don't know.

The problems I've seen showed up first with wide format users who had their printers on counters, such that the movement of the stands did not help agitate the inks.

I agitate carts now before turning on my 7800, which has Carbon-6 in it.  That won't tone shift but will density shift as the carbon settles.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I shook the magentas and all black carts. As per Paul's reply, my 2400 does sit on a rather stable table. But still getting green.

Does it mean anything that the print tends to "green up" after it comes out of the printer? It starts out looking not so bad, but gets greener over the next minute or so.
G

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:

>
> Shake your black cart gently, get some ink through the printer and try again. It could have settled.
> 
> Mark
> http://www.stillrivereditions.com

"glemasurier" <george.lemasurier@...> wrote:
>
> I shook the magentas and all black carts. As per Paul's reply, my 2400 does sit on a rather stable table. But still getting green.

A 2400 should not have any settlement problems.  That's a wide format issue mostly.

If you use QTR and have a Calibration print from the past (a good idea to keep one around, in fact) print another Calibration print on the same paper and see if the LM is not firing as strongly as before.  A nozzle check will not show all problems.  If the screen in the head is mostly clogged there can be enough ink to print a nozzle check but not enough to sustain good printing.

> Does it mean anything that the print tends to "green up" after it comes out of the printer? It starts out looking not so bad, but gets greener over the next minute or so.

Is the problem with all papers?  Maybe you have an odd, bad paper batch.  

(I'm guessing an environmental cause this extreme would also knock you out.)

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

1.  Just started with QTR today, so I'm not sure what a Calibration print is or how to make one. I have seen the slider in the print dialog window. Where can I find simple instructions?

2.  I do feel dizzy.

Thanks,
G

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "pr_roark" <roark.paul@...> wrote:

 
1. If you use QTR and have a Calibration print from the past (a good idea to keep one around, in fact) print another Calibration print on the same paper and see if the LM is not firing as strongly as before.  A nozzle check will not show all problems.  If the screen in the head is mostly clogged there can be enough ink to print a nozzle check but not enough to sustain good printing.

2. (I'm guessing an environmental cause this extreme would also knock you out.)

> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>