Digital BW, The Print

Talking about Cone, it helps to remember that his primary business used to
be digital printing.  That is, his current business of selling inks, etc.,
is based upon his knowledge of the end product.  To me, his expertise is
important.
I look forward to seeing whatever he has up his sleeve.
I've been waiting 2 years to get to a CIS and inks.  Still using Epson
carts.  Yesterday I told a prospective client that the prints would last
about 22 years (Epson HWM and OEM inks, on a 1270).  And, I also said I
used to be happier when I made B&W's in my darkroom and could say they
would last for generations.
We're moving toward that point, no?
Bill





antonisphoto@... on 08/18/2001 10:55:29 PM

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Mike,

it seems that Jon has some things in development he doesn't want to discuss
or disclose. Who knows. As we all watch this technology evolve, the inks
and
papers constantly evolving with more players and end-users coming into this
arena, the going will get tough.

But I wonder: How many piezo customers are there? Of those, how many buy
other than inks and software from inkjetmall? How much profit does all this
make vs the overhead of running the operation and keeping up with tech sup?
I feel supportive of Jon's efforts for delivering such a great product and
supporting it as well as he and Bill Berg have. Beyond that, the reality of
the
marketplace and economics takes over. If a competing product does the same
for less, so be it. But I still wonder,  at the end of the day, what the
dollar
figures are behind the 800+ people on the piezo list and the 200+ people
here. It's probably why Epson hasn't spent the R&D yen....


Antonis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "Michael J. Kravit" <kravit@b...>
wrote:
> I wrote Jon Cone three times in the Past three weeks about a few topics.
In
one message asking him when he would have bulk inks and software
upgrades for the 7000 RIP available he answered me in a very uncommital
and confusing manner.

> ------------------------------------------------
> Here is Jon Cones answer............
>
> "I hear you. I really do. What looks one way one day has a way of getting
> completely turned around the next. We are a company about progress...
there
> are things on the horizon which may possibly change your heart."
>
> Can anyone figure out what he said?
>
> Mike



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Bill,

Cone Editions is still very much alive and well using Iris and other 
printers to make print editions for artists in a number of mediums. 
Jon has a tremendous amount of experience and on the Inkjetmall site 
there is a page containing articles about Jon and his work, which is 
worth reading. I am sure he is hard at work on the next generation of 
PiezoBW.

If you are not happy telling your clients your prints are only good 
for 22 years, then you should be trying a quad tone ink se, either 
pigmented or dye. Any of them are going to offer you paper/ink 
combinations that will do better than Epson's 22 years. You could go 
back to saying your prints will last generations.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., wparsons@e... wrote:
> 
> Talking about Cone, it helps to remember that his primary business 
used to
> be digital printing.  That is, his current business of selling 
inks, etc.,
> is based upon his knowledge of the end product.  To me, his 
expertise is
> important.
> I look forward to seeing whatever he has up his sleeve.
> I've been waiting 2 years to get to a CIS and inks.  Still using 
Epson
> carts.  Yesterday I told a prospective client that the prints would 
last
> about 22 years (Epson HWM and OEM inks, on a 1270).  And, I also 
said I
> used to be happier when I made B&W's in my darkroom and could say 
they
> would last for generations.
> We're moving toward that point, no?
> Bill
> 
> 
(snip)

Thanks, Martin,
I meant to imply that I had a high opinion of Cone and that I am waiting
for him to offer a cis for the 1270.  I hope a different message did not
come through.  I know he still has a renowned printing business.  I wanted
to express that I am depending on that expertise to assist me via his inks
and papers.
I should have been more clear.  The prints I am denigrating for having a
life of only 22 years are color.  That's why I'm anxious (does a two-year
wait indicate anxiety?) to begin working with a CIS and more archival inks
and papers.  I did try loading carts with my 1200...enuf said.  Then, when
the 1270 came out, I thot, this will do it.  Then, I went to a 2000 -- as
soon as the first ones were available -- and got rid of it even faster.
C'mon cis!
If I get any more anxious, I will have to think about an alternative
printer where Cone already offers a product.
Regards,  Bill






"Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@...> on 08/20/2001 06:19:15 PM

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Bill,

Cone Editions is still very much alive and well using Iris and other
printers to make print editions for artists in a number of mediums.
Jon has a tremendous amount of experience and on the Inkjetmall site
there is a page containing articles about Jon and his work, which is
worth reading. I am sure he is hard at work on the next generation of
PiezoBW.

If you are not happy telling your clients your prints are only good
for 22 years, then you should be trying a quad tone ink se, either
pigmented or dye. Any of them are going to offer you paper/ink
combinations that will do better than Epson's 22 years. You could go
back to saying your prints will last generations.

Martin


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., wparsons@e... wrote:
>
> Talking about Cone, it helps to remember that his primary business
used to
> be digital printing.  That is, his current business of selling
inks, etc.,
> is based upon his knowledge of the end product.  To me, his
expertise is
> important.
> I look forward to seeing whatever he has up his sleeve.
> I've been waiting 2 years to get to a CIS and inks.  Still using
Epson
> carts.  Yesterday I told a prospective client that the prints would
last
> about 22 years (Epson HWM and OEM inks, on a 1270).  And, I also
said I
> used to be happier when I made B&W's in my darkroom and could say
they
> would last for generations.
> We're moving toward that point, no?
> Bill
>
>
(snip)


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Bill,

I am not 100% certain, given the topic of the list, but I assume you 
are looking for a CIS/printer combination for B&W. ConeTech has 
announced that they are going to release PiezoBW for the 1280 but 
will skip the 1270. My understanding is that while the two are 
mechanically very similar from a software point of view quite 
different. I have been waiting for Piezo for the 1280 myself for 
quite awhile.

My own decision and suggestion is to go with a 1280 and the MIS VM 
inks. When ConTech comes out with their 1280 version you would be in 
a good position to try that out as well.

Martin

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., wparsons@e... wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Martin,
> I meant to imply that I had a high opinion of Cone and that I am 
waiting
> for him to offer a cis for the 1270.  I hope a different message 
did not
> come through.  I know he still has a renowned printing business.  I 
wanted
> to express that I am depending on that expertise to assist me via 
his inks
> and papers.
> I should have been more clear.  The prints I am denigrating for 
having a
> life of only 22 years are color.  That's why I'm anxious (does a 
two-year
> wait indicate anxiety?) to begin working with a CIS and more 
archival inks
> and papers.  I did try loading carts with my 1200...enuf said.  
Then, when
> the 1270 came out, I thot, this will do it.  Then, I went to a 
2000 -- as
> soon as the first ones were available -- and got rid of it even 
faster.
> C'mon cis!
> If I get any more anxious, I will have to think about an alternative
> printer where Cone already offers a product.
> Regards,  Bill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Martin Wesley" <mwesley250@e...> on 08/20/2001 06:19:15 PM
> 
> Please respond to DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> 
> To:   DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y...
> cc:
> Subject:  [Digital BW] Re: competition for Piezo
> 
> 
> Bill,
> 
> Cone Editions is still very much alive and well using Iris and other
> printers to make print editions for artists in a number of mediums.
> Jon has a tremendous amount of experience and on the Inkjetmall site
> there is a page containing articles about Jon and his work, which is
> worth reading. I am sure he is hard at work on the next generation 
of
> PiezoBW.
> 
> If you are not happy telling your clients your prints are only good
> for 22 years, then you should be trying a quad tone ink se, either
> pigmented or dye. Any of them are going to offer you paper/ink
> combinations that will do better than Epson's 22 years. You could go
> back to saying your prints will last generations.
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., wparsons@e... wrote:
> >
> > Talking about Cone, it helps to remember that his primary business
> used to
> > be digital printing.  That is, his current business of selling
> inks, etc.,
> > is based upon his knowledge of the end product.  To me, his
> expertise is
> > important.
> > I look forward to seeing whatever he has up his sleeve.
> > I've been waiting 2 years to get to a CIS and inks.  Still using
> Epson
> > carts.  Yesterday I told a prospective client that the prints 
would
> last
> > about 22 years (Epson HWM and OEM inks, on a 1270).  And, I also
> said I
> > used to be happier when I made B&W's in my darkroom and could say
> they
> > would last for generations.
> > We're moving toward that point, no?
> > Bill
> >
> >
> (snip)
> 
> 
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