oh, i know it will not sound like a buchla. i am convinced that thing could make anything sound weak. but a 200e is a whole lot of money and i don't think it would be fiscally responsible for me to take out an equity line on the house to get a synth. though the though has crossed my mind. would anyone here let a homeless guy with a 200e crash on their couch? s --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Joey Fedrow <v605aql@...> wrote: > > If your coming from a buchla background, I suspect you'll be sorely disappointed by the doepfer. You might want to just start saving for a 200e. > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Sean Hart <dubvegan@...> wrote: > From: Sean Hart <dubvegan@...> > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: starting a modular > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 1:43 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > my intention is to start with simple system, i will eventually > > replace and add more and different osc's and have a decent variety of > > filters. i would also add an external input/envelope follower for > > processing external sounds. i am very fond of LFOs and the various > > ways you can abuse them. i knew i needed a VCA and a mixer, though i > > forgot to add them to the list. > > > > and i have certainly looked at other manufactures. there are a lot of > > really cool modules out there. this is certainly something that could > > keep me perpetually broke. > > > > thanks for the input and insight. > > > > s > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com, Bakis Sirros > > <synth_freak_ 2000@> wrote: > > > > > > the A110's are nice osc's and offer good 'bung for buck' (as they say). > > > they have their own sound. some like it some not. > > > simple as that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist > > > [Doepfer_a100] group owner > > > www. parallel - worlds - music. com > > > www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic > > > www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic > > > www. myspace. com/ memorygeist > > > www. DiN. org. uk > > > www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com > > > www. shimarecords. co. uk > > > www. rubberrecords. gr > > > Athens - Greece > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Argitoth <argitoth@ .> wrote: > > > > > > From: Argitoth <argitoth@ .> > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] starting a modular > > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 7:35 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > York, to defend myself, I did own A-110 VCOs which I got for $150 > > > each. I sold them to buy Analog Systems VCOs for about $255 each > > > (price includes power conversion). I should have said that it is my > > > personal opinion that I think A-110s have low bang-for-buck. I should > > > also say I have a very low tolerance for imperfections, so others will > > > definitely find the A-110s suitable. Yes, they did have good pitch > > > tracking, but for $50 more you can buy VCOs with more features. > > > > > > I would have purchased the Tip Top VCOs in a heart beat had I known > > > about them (but they weren't even announced when I got my VCOs). Top > > > Top VCOs are less expensive than Analog Systems VCOs (mainly because > > > of power conversion) and probably have some niiice features that the > > > Analog Systems VCOs do not have. > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:01 PM, york luethje <ybl@> wrote: > > > > Argitoth is right, no need to rush. A good starting point is > > > > > > > > http://mega. modularplanner. co.uk/standard. html > > > > > > > > There you have all current manufacturers for the eurorack-format > > in one > > > > comprehensive package. And you definitely should get a multiple. > > > > > > > > However > > > > > > > > "I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer > > > > joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the spring... it > > > > returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion." > > > > > > > > Never heard of that. Mine works fine for the best part of this > > decade. And I > > > > have an unsprung one as well. > > > > > > > > "You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO (doepfer > > > > A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck." > > > > > > > > This kind of sentiment always struck me as a bit strange. It seems > > to be an > > > > article of faith amongst the cognoscenti that the A-110 is an inferior > > > > product. It is not considering the price-point. My impression was > > that the > > > > OP had a budget of USD 2k. Sure there are other oscillators but > > getting two > > > > good ones for USD 400? That also track very well over a wide > > range? And hold > > > > their tuning no matter what, over days if need be? > > > > > > > > Debates over oscillators are superseded in subjective POV only by > > > > filter-battles and I don't want to get into that. Just dislike the > > habitual > > > > bashing of a very competent product. Below are the OSCs I can > > think of: > > > > together with their prices: > > > > > > > > Doepfer A-110 200,- > > > > Doepfer A-111 350,- Triangle core > > > > Tip-Top Z-3000 250,- > > > > Analogue Solutions 185,- > > > > Cwejman VCO 2RM 640,- 2 VCOs + RingMod > > > > Cwejman VCO 6 425,- > > > > Cyindustries Zeroscillator 995,- > > > > Metasonix TM 3 550,- 2 OSCs, not much tracking but...mmmh! Eric > > Barbour is > > > > God. > > > > MFB OSC 1 220,- 3 DCOs > > > > MFB OSC 2 299,- 3 VCOs > > > > Plan B Model 15 320 Triangle core > > > > Analogue Systems RS95 240,- > > > > Livewire Dalek VCO 260,- VCO + RingMod > > > > Livewire AFG 399,- > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > York > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > From: Argitoth <argitoth@gmail. com> > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:57:36 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] starting a modular > > > > > > > > I would suggest Tip Top Audio VCOs (which I don't own): > > > > http://www.analogue haven.com/ tiptopaudio/ z3000/ > > > > > > > > You definitely don't want to spend money on the cheapest VCO (doepfer > > > > A-110) as you'd be getting the least bang for buck. > > > > > > > > I heard that some people like to remove the spring from the Doepfer > > > > joystick as it doesn't return back to its center with the spring... it > > > > returns a bit off center which would be gay in my opinion. > > > > > > > > OK! YOU REALLLLLLY HAVE TO STOP AND THINK ABOUT THIS: Really think > > > > about how you are going to handle mixing/merging, inverting, and > > > > splitting/multiplyi ng, and attenuating signals. Some modules have > > > > multiple ins and multiple outs, some modules can attenuate, some > > > > modules can't, etc. There are many options for signal routing modules. > > > > I personally think the best way to go it to get mixing/merging modules > > > > that don't have attenuation knobs and get one or two dedicated > > > > attenuation modules. The reason for this is that most of the time, a > > > > module's input has an attenuator. Signal Mixers and Multipliers that > > > > have multiple ins/outs generally don't have attenuation knobs, but > > > > they are extremely useful. > > > > > > > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm? id=10 > > > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ analoguesolution s/index.cfm? id=21 > > > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm?id=24 > > > > http://www.noisebug .net/site/ planb/index. cfm?id=18 > > > > > > > > You need one signal multiplier that is buffered (low signal > > > > degradation when multiplying a signal) so that you can route 1v/oct > > > > signals to multiple oscillators, filters, and whatever else. The MX224 > > > > is not good enough for some reason, but it's GREAT for general > > > > purposes. I have a Plan B Model 31 Buffered Multi in the mail so I'll > > > > see if that is any better. > > > > > > > > An A-138c is a very useful mixer because it can invert a signal by any > > > > amount. By the way, signal inversion is one way to make filters > > > > distort and scream. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:11 PM, york luethje <ybl@> wrote: > > > >> Hi Sean, > > > >> > > > >> you could substitute the A-143-2 and A-143-3 with a A-143-1. It > > gives you > > > >> four independent AD envelopes or 4 independent LFOs or a complex > > envelope, > > > >> depending on mode. You should definitely think about adding some > > VCAs, for > > > >> example the A-132 dual VCA. > > > >> > > > >> York > > > >> > > > >> ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > >> From: Sean Hart <dubvegan@yahoo. com> > > > >> To: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com > > > >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:15:34 PM > > > >> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] starting a modular > > > >> > > > >> fortunately and unfortunately, i have a friend that has a buchla 200. > > > >> furtunately, because i get to play it when i visit him. > > unfurtunately, > > > >> because it makes me want an analogue modular ($$$). i would most > > > >> likely have to build it a little at a time, but i am thinking: > > > >> > > > >> A-110 Standard VCO x 2 > > > >> A-114 Dual Ringmodulator > > > >> A-121 Multimode Filter (VCF2) > > > >> A-138b Mixer > > > >> A-143-2 Quad ADSR > > > >> A-143-3 Quad LFO > > > >> A-174 Joy Stick > > > >> A-190 MIDI-to-CV/Gate/ Sync Interface > > > >> A-100 Low Cost Suitcase > > > >> > > > >> which would be just under $2000 (still a decent chunk of money) and i > > > >> would still need cables. are there any more options for more > > > >> economical modules? and yes, i would continue to buy more modules and > > > >> i know that it is something that i would spend, in the long term, > > > >> ridiculous amounts of money on. > > > >> > > > >> comments? suggestions? anything you are selling to help me bring the > > > >> initial cost down? > > > >> > > > >> thanks, > > > >> sean > > > >> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > www.elanhickler. com > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > www.elanhickler. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
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Re: starting a modular
2008-11-23 by Sean Hart