Doepfer

hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound source 
part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex and 
the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and 
coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and 
coloured with different spectrum shifts. 

what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the plus 
side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is you 
have no tuning available on the source.  you could always use an A121 
multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are using 
it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source is 
redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147 lfo 
which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to 
modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced source for 
your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115 divider as 
a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best thing to 
do is to experiment, think outside of the box.

to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you 
would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5. 

you will then need a compliment of modules for sources, modifiers and 
processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope follower 
functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you will 
need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced noise 
input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced input. 
you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high out of 
the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control the 
A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.

if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to 
record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another suggestion 
would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1 analysis 
section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough realtime 
sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer. 

if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and 
unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to 
voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138 to do 
the job.

i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing, here 
is the layout
                         case #1

top   A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61, A115
bot   A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply

                         case #2
top   A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy rs120, A134
bot   A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power supply

i also change modules around when more of one needed than the other.i 
plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240 
frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.

once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a 
special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps you in 
your quest for a vocoder.

regards,
RM 

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> Hi RM
> I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and 
129/2 
> and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
> 
> So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row. 
> 
> Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 129/5, 
117, 
> 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
> 
> Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have an 
118, 
> would that be adequate for unvoiced?
> 
> Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
> 
> Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> > Joe,
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" and
> > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you could 
> get by
> > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section 
and 
> the
> > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2).  If you're bringing in a
> > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful.  The A-129/3 takes you into a 
> realm
> > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the 
> synthesis
> > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns the 
> vocoder
> > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds slew.
> > 
> > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and 
> synthesis
> > modules.  That certainly won't eat up a row.
> > 
> > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules as 
> the
> > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U configuration 
> offered
> > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, and
> > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable 
there.  
> If
> > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably pick 
up 
> an
> > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not 
modular 
> it's
> > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.  
Frankly 
> it
> > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy 
> formant-capturing,
> > and it's stereo.
> > 
> > 
> > buechlerjoe wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi UF
> > > 
> > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy 
with 
> my
> > > A100 configuration, too :-)
> > > 
> > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement 
to 
> an
> > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row 
> configuration?
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
> > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the 
range 
> of
> > > useful information shared by everyone here.
> > > 
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> > > > Hey Pig,
> > > >
> > > > I don't mind your having a wallow.  Yes, I've got the 
vocoder, 
> and I
> > > use
> > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled.  My most 
> typical
> > > use
> > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a 
> sequenced
> > > or
> > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual 
> bands.
> > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses.  My comment that the patch Peter
> > > described
> > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's 
a
> > > vocoder
> > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its 
own 
> VCA.
> > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for 
all 
> the
> > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really 
> matter.
> > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have 
> individual
> > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing 
of 
> bands
> > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder 
does 
> the
> > > > job.  That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band 
> output
> > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the 
> particular
> > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
> > > 
> > > 
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