Doepfer

Okay, it sounds like I could skip the slew stuff and put together a 
vocoder in a single row supplemented with my existing modules. Or, 
I could get a 6U frame and put together a full-up vocoder with 3 
129/3s.

I've got a couple more questions:

I thought the 129/4 could control three 129/3s. Why is 3 X 129/4 
suggested?

I still don't grok how the variable waveform capability of the 146 is 
used with a vocoder, but I suppose it would become clear if I actually 
tried it.

The 129/1/2 documentation talks about a "special" 191 that has three 
additional CV outs, instead of the midi-sync LFO, to give enough CV 
outs for the 129/2. So if I wanted midi in/out for the vocoder, I'd 
have to get ANOTHER 191?

Does anyone know about this "special" 191? I've never seen one 
anywhere. It would be kind of slick, I could also use my Regelwerk as 
a graphic EQ with the 129/2.

I suppose I could just get a second stock 191 and use it on a 
different channel, but then I'd have to remap the 129/1 outputs going 
out through a 192 to get it to work on playback.

Joe
--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> You are indeed an intense vocoding wildman.  I should point out that
> someone newly experimenting with vocoding could get 80% of the way 
there
> with the analysis and synthesis modules and a preamp and something
> feeding the instrument input -- richest choice obviously being 
sawtooth
> waves.  All right, perhaps also the voiced/unvoiced detector. 
> Everything else builds from that.  I also believe that for simple
> vocoding, there are cheaper routes -- the real beauty of Doepfer's
> version is its complete open-endedness.  Frankly, it can actually 
sound
> a little dirty, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.
> 
> And now, senseless rambling about cases and aesthetics:  I *love* 
the
> idea of a 4-row 168-hp case.  I've got 9 84-hp rows in a couple of
> Raxxess racks, which is fine but inelegant.  Then again, when you 
start
> patching up those closely-space Doepfer modules with skinny
> technicolored patchcords the look becomes inelegant pretty fast 
anyway. 
> The Doepfer is a kickass modular cleverly disguised as cheap lab
> equipment.  I really just care about the sound.  I like the looks of
> Analogue Systems' case, but it's so expensive.  Somehow 
Synthesizers.com
> manages to offer a great-looking slanted case for much, much less.  
I
> wish it fit Doepfer-size modules.  
> 
> If Synthesizers.com offered anywhere near the module catalog of 
Doepfer,
> I'd be severely tempted, both for ergonomics -- big knobs, large
> real-estate -- and jacks longevity.  I need to find some 
impoverished
> person surviving on beads of solder to do a massive banana-jack
> retrofit.  That would render the machine immortal.  I'd never trust
> myself to do it.
> 
> 
> ringmod45 wrote:
> > 
> > hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound 
source
> > part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex 
and
> > the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and
> > coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and
> > coloured with different spectrum shifts.
> > 
> > what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the 
plus
> > side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is you
> > have no tuning available on the source.  you could always use an 
A121
> > multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are 
using
> > it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source is
> > redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147 
lfo
> > which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to
> > modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced source 
for
> > your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115 divider 
as
> > a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best thing 
to
> > do is to experiment, think outside of the box.
> > 
> > to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you
> > would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5.
> > 
> > you will then need a compliment of modules for sources, modifiers 
and
> > processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope follower
> > functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you 
will
> > need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced 
noise
> > input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced input.
> > you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high out 
of
> > the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control the
> > A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.
> > 
> > if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to
> > record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another 
suggestion
> > would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1 analysis
> > section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough realtime
> > sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer.
> > 
> > if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and
> > unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to
> > voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138 to 
do
> > the job.
> > 
> > i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing, 
here
> > is the layout
> >                          case #1
> > 
> > top   A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61, 
A115
> > bot   A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply
> > 
> >                          case #2
> > top   A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy rs120, 
A134
> > bot   A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power supply
> > 
> > i also change modules around when more of one needed than the 
other.i
> > plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240
> > frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.
> > 
> > once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a
> > special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps you 
in
> > your quest for a vocoder.
> > 
> > regards,
> > RM
> > 
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> > > Hi RM
> > > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and
> > 129/2
> > > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
> > >
> > > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
> > >
> > > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 
129/5,
> > 117,
> > > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
> > >
> > > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have 
an
> > 118,
> > > would that be adequate for unvoiced?
> > >
> > > Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
> > >
> > > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" 
and
> > > > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you 
could
> > > get by
> > > > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section
> > and
> > > the
> > > > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2).  If you're bringing 
in a
> > > > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful.  The A-129/3 takes you into 
a
> > > realm
> > > > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
> > > synthesis
> > > > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns 
the
> > > vocoder
> > > > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds 
slew.
> > > >
> > > > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
> > > synthesis
> > > > modules.  That certainly won't eat up a row.
> > > >
> > > > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules 
as
> > > the
> > > > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U 
configuration
> > > offered
> > > > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, 
and
> > > > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable
> > there.
> > > If
> > > > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably 
pick
> > up
> > > an
> > > > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not
> > modular
> > > it's
> > > > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.
> > Frankly
> > > it
> > > > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
> > > formant-capturing,
> > > > and it's stereo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > buechlerjoe wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi UF
> > > > >
> > > > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy
> > with
> > > my
> > > > > A100 configuration, too :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a 
supplement
> > to
> > > an
> > > > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row
> > > configuration?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I 
think
> > > > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the
> > range
> > > of
> > > > > useful information shared by everyone here.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> 
wrote:
> > > > > > Hey Pig,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't mind your having a wallow.  Yes, I've got the
> > vocoder,
> > > and I
> > > > > use
> > > > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled.  My most
> > > typical
> > > > > use
> > > > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
> > > sequenced
> > > > > or
> > > > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out 
individual
> > > bands.
> > > > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses.  My comment that the patch 
Peter
> > > > > described
> > > > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- 
what's
> > a
> > > > > vocoder
> > > > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has 
its
> > own
> > > VCA.
> > > > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output 
for
> > all
> > > the
> > > > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't 
really
> > > matter.
> > > > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have
> > > individual
> > > > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple 
VCAing
> > of
> > > bands
> > > > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder
> > does
> > > the
> > > > > > job.  That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual 
band
> > > output
> > > > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
> > > particular
> > > > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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