Doepfer

Hi everyone!

I have been reading about analog modular synths for a while. And i 
think i'm ready to take a plunge into this world. I own two hardware 
synths: Access Virus TI KB and Dave Smith Monoevolver. Nice machines, 
but when i'm creating a sound with them i always bump in to the same 
problem i tried to get away from when i bought HW synths when 
software synths are quite fine: I want to use a real physical way to 
sculpt the sound, and always see what's going where and what settings 
i use.

The Evolver is really bad with this, as you can only see one 
parameter value without touching the interface. The Virus is a lot 
better, but when browsing the presets, the knobs are at the wrongs 
positions. And i have to use the menus to set some values, i have to 
browse through the modulations and use the LCD to see what does what. 
If i switch an oscillator, the knobs are wrong again.

So that is the problem i'm trying to resolve by buying a real 
physical modular synthesizer. And also the modular analog aspect is 
sweet.

My music style varies from ambient, noise to rock and metal. But i 
haven't released anything. Just doing it for fun.


I'm thinking about buying the Basic System 2, i know, some old 
components and stuff. And i would not choose those filters. But 
anyway i calculate the price, i will get a great deal by buying this 
system. I will get a 6U frame, powersource and inlets, all wired up. 
I will get a nice set of basic modules from where to grow my system.

My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the 
power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the 
cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to the 
PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i got 
a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just asking 
these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more 
busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price 
will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.


Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.

Regards,
Kaali

Hi Kaali,

My A-100 is an older BS-1 + an extra G3 frame with a few more modules. In
the older systems the PSU was only 650mA, so my guess is that it's quite
safe to supply power to a few more modules than what are in a BS-1 or 2. At
any rate, you can use the spreadsheet available from the doepfer site to
calculate the total power consumption of the modules you are planning on
getting - I think it has the modules for a BS 1 or two preselected so that
all you need to do is select the extra modules you are planning on getting.

If you are planning on building your own case to house the synth you should
know that you can buy the PSU and bus boards separately, thus saving some of
the price of a G6 frame.

Kind regards,

Silas

On 9/27/06, kaalimus <v@pp.inet.fi> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I have been reading about analog modular synths for a while. And i
> think i'm ready to take a plunge into this world. I own two hardware
> synths: Access Virus TI KB and Dave Smith Monoevolver. Nice machines,
> but when i'm creating a sound with them i always bump in to the same
> problem i tried to get away from when i bought HW synths when
> software synths are quite fine: I want to use a real physical way to
> sculpt the sound, and always see what's going where and what settings
> i use.
>
> The Evolver is really bad with this, as you can only see one
> parameter value without touching the interface. The Virus is a lot
> better, but when browsing the presets, the knobs are at the wrongs
> positions. And i have to use the menus to set some values, i have to
> browse through the modulations and use the LCD to see what does what.
> If i switch an oscillator, the knobs are wrong again.
>
> So that is the problem i'm trying to resolve by buying a real
> physical modular synthesizer. And also the modular analog aspect is
> sweet.
>
> My music style varies from ambient, noise to rock and metal. But i
> haven't released anything. Just doing it for fun.
>
>
> I'm thinking about buying the Basic System 2, i know, some old
> components and stuff. And i would not choose those filters. But
> anyway i calculate the price, i will get a great deal by buying this
> system. I will get a 6U frame, powersource and inlets, all wired up.
> I will get a nice set of basic modules from where to grow my system.
>
> My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the
> power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the
> cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to the
> PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i got
> a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just asking
> these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more
> busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price
> will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.
>
>
> Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.
>
> Regards,
> Kaali
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the
> power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the
> cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to the
> PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i got
> a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just asking
> these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more
> busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price
> will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.
>
>
> Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.
>
> Regards,
> Kaali


Kaali,

you can order the PSU and bus boards as spare parts. But wiring of the PSU
is allowed only for experts. As these works affects parts, pc boards and
cables that conduct mains voltage (230/115V) carrying out of these works is
allowed only for experts or authorized personnel who are familiar with all
valid safety rules.  Laymen are not allowed to carry out these works !
Danger to Life !

(I know it's boring to repeat this remark again and again but it's
essential)

For details please visit our website www.doepfer.com > FAQ > A-100 > Wiring
the mains inlet, the power supply board and the bus boards (English, for
experts only)

The PSU2 has flat connectors for up to 4 bus boards available. The cables to
connect the PSU2 with the bus boards are included with the bus boards (3
wires with flat connectors on both ends, length about 30cm). For details
please look at the A-100 accessories page of our website: www.doepfer.com >
PRODUCTS > A-100 > Accessories

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi Dieter,


I do have a professionally trained electrician friend who will do the 
wiring for me. Connections for four busses is enough, any more and 
the modules would propably be too much for the PSU.

I hope this message gets through, i have tried to respond to the 
other guy for the whole day, but my post always ends up in an error.

In the email that i sent to you, i asked if you ship to finland and 
how much does it costs. I still haven't gotten an answer, could you 
answer it here? Thomann doesn't have some of the modules i might 
want, so it's kind of hard to order them from there.


Regards,
Kaali

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
>
> > My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the
> > power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the
> > cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to 
the
> > PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i 
got
> > a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just 
asking
> > these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more
> > busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price
> > will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.
> >
> >
> > Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kaali
> 
> 
> Kaali,
> 
> you can order the PSU and bus boards as spare parts. But wiring of 
the PSU
> is allowed only for experts. As these works affects parts, pc 
boards and
> cables that conduct mains voltage (230/115V) carrying out of these 
works is
> allowed only for experts or authorized personnel who are familiar 
with all
> valid safety rules.  Laymen are not allowed to carry out these 
works !
> Danger to Life !
> 
> (I know it's boring to repeat this remark again and again but it's
> essential)
> 
> For details please visit our website www.doepfer.com > FAQ > A-100 
> Wiring
> the mains inlet, the power supply board and the bus boards 
(English, for
> experts only)
> 
> The PSU2 has flat connectors for up to 4 bus boards available. The 
cables to
> connect the PSU2 with the bus boards are included with the bus 
boards (3
> wires with flat connectors on both ends, length about 30cm). For 
details
> please look at the A-100 accessories page of our website: 
www.doepfer.com >

> PRODUCTS > A-100 > Accessories
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

And one more thing: If i order a Basic System 2 from Thomann, will i 
get the old or the new PSU?

Thanks again,
Kaali

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
>
> > My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the
> > power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the
> > cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to 
the
> > PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i 
got
> > a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just 
asking
> > these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more
> > busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price
> > will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.
> >
> >
> > Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kaali
> 
> 
> Kaali,
> 
> you can order the PSU and bus boards as spare parts. But wiring of 
the PSU
> is allowed only for experts. As these works affects parts, pc 
boards and
> cables that conduct mains voltage (230/115V) carrying out of these 
works is
> allowed only for experts or authorized personnel who are familiar 
with all
> valid safety rules.  Laymen are not allowed to carry out these 
works !
> Danger to Life !
> 
> (I know it's boring to repeat this remark again and again but it's
> essential)
> 
> For details please visit our website www.doepfer.com > FAQ > A-100 
> Wiring
> the mains inlet, the power supply board and the bus boards 
(English, for
> experts only)
> 
> The PSU2 has flat connectors for up to 4 bus boards available. The 
cables to
> connect the PSU2 with the bus boards are included with the bus 
boards (3
> wires with flat connectors on both ends, length about 30cm). For 
details
> please look at the A-100 accessories page of our website: 
www.doepfer.com >

> PRODUCTS > A-100 > Accessories
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

Kaali,

provided that they do not have an old system in stock (manufactured before
2006) the system will include the PSU2. All newer systems already include
the PSU2. To be on the safe side you have to ask Thomann as we cannot know
which of the systems or frames they received are already sold or still in
stock. But I suppose that they only ship PSU2 in the meantime (without
obligation).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von kaalimus
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. September 2006 20:28
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Introduction and some questions
>
>
> And one more thing: If i order a Basic System 2 from Thomann, will i
> get the old or the new PSU?
>
> Thanks again,
> Kaali
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
> >
> > > My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the
> > > power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the
> > > cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to
> the
> > > PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i
> got
> > > a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just
> asking
> > > these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more
> > > busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price
> > > will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kaali
> >
> >
> > Kaali,
> >
> > you can order the PSU and bus boards as spare parts. But wiring of
> the PSU
> > is allowed only for experts. As these works affects parts, pc
> boards and
> > cables that conduct mains voltage (230/115V) carrying out of these
> works is
> > allowed only for experts or authorized personnel who are familiar
> with all
> > valid safety rules.  Laymen are not allowed to carry out these
> works !
> > Danger to Life !
> >
> > (I know it's boring to repeat this remark again and again but it's
> > essential)
> >
> > For details please visit our website www.doepfer.com > FAQ > A-100
> > Wiring
> > the mains inlet, the power supply board and the bus boards
> (English, for
> > experts only)
> >
> > The PSU2 has flat connectors for up to 4 bus boards available. The
> cables to
> > connect the PSU2 with the bus boards are included with the bus
> boards (3
> > wires with flat connectors on both ends, length about 30cm). For
> details
> > please look at the A-100 accessories page of our website:
> www.doepfer.com >
> > PRODUCTS > A-100 > Accessories
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Kaali,

I'm not dealing with sales. Please contact our sales office
(sales@doepfer.de). They will tell you if we ship to Finland directly or if
there is a representative.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von kaalimus
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 28. September 2006 20:13
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Introduction and some questions
>
>
> Hi Dieter,
>
>
> I do have a professionally trained electrician friend who will do the
> wiring for me. Connections for four busses is enough, any more and
> the modules would propably be too much for the PSU.
>
> I hope this message gets through, i have tried to respond to the
> other guy for the whole day, but my post always ends up in an error.
>
> In the email that i sent to you, i asked if you ship to finland and
> how much does it costs. I still haven't gotten an answer, could you
> answer it here? Thomann doesn't have some of the modules i might
> want, so it's kind of hard to order them from there.
>
>
> Regards,
> Kaali
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
> >
> > > My plan is to make my own wooden cabinet for the synth and use the
> > > power inlet and the powerunit itself for powering the rest of the
> > > cabinet. Is this possible? How many extra busses can be wired to
> the
> > > PSU if i won't go over the current(1200mA) limit? Don't worry, i
> got
> > > a friend who is an pro-electrician who will do my wiring. Just
> asking
> > > these questions to be safe in my investment. If i can't wire more
> > > busses and modules for the PSU in the Basic System, then the price
> > > will not seem that great anymore as the frame might get useless.
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, i'm off to bed now. Thanks for any and all answers.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kaali
> >
> >
> > Kaali,
> >
> > you can order the PSU and bus boards as spare parts. But wiring of
> the PSU
> > is allowed only for experts. As these works affects parts, pc
> boards and
> > cables that conduct mains voltage (230/115V) carrying out of these
> works is
> > allowed only for experts or authorized personnel who are familiar
> with all
> > valid safety rules.  Laymen are not allowed to carry out these
> works !
> > Danger to Life !
> >
> > (I know it's boring to repeat this remark again and again but it's
> > essential)
> >
> > For details please visit our website www.doepfer.com > FAQ > A-100
> > Wiring
> > the mains inlet, the power supply board and the bus boards
> (English, for
> > experts only)
> >
> > The PSU2 has flat connectors for up to 4 bus boards available. The
> cables to
> > connect the PSU2 with the bus boards are included with the bus
> boards (3
> > wires with flat connectors on both ends, length about 30cm). For
> details
> > please look at the A-100 accessories page of our website:
> www.doepfer.com >
> > PRODUCTS > A-100 > Accessories
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> I'm not dealing with sales. Please contact our sales office
> (sales@doepfer.de <mailto:sales%40doepfer.de>). They will tell you if we 
> ship to Finland directly or if
> there is a representative.

I've ordered modules from Thomann several times to Finland that they 
don't have in their online catalogue. I use the standard ordering form, 
and in the Lisätietoja or whatever field I just list names of the 
modules I want. Alternatively, I order by email. Works like a charm. 
Haven't found Doepfer locally, but I haven't really searched either, 
since Thomann works so well.

I haven't really been following this thread, so the text above may 
actually be of no use to anyone...

Cheers,

	Kim

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Kim Johnsson <johnssonkim@...> 
wrote:
> I've ordered modules from Thomann several times to Finland that 
they 
> don't have in their online catalogue. I use the standard ordering 
form, 
> and in the Lisätietoja or whatever field I just list names of the 
> modules I want. Alternatively, I order by email. Works like a 
charm. 

Ah, a very useful tip. Thanks.

--
Kaali