Doepfer

hello list,

last week i toyed around with the a111/2 prototype.
the a111/2 should be seen as a new vco module, with the
vcf and vca parts as an extra bonus. however, the main
part of the unit is the vco in combination with the
morphing section, this is what makes the module special.
therefore the following examples MAKE NO USE of the vcf
and vca in the a111/2. it's all made with the vco and
morphing section only, with vcf and vca in their most
neutral setting. this should give a better idea about
the differences between a standard vco and the a111/2.

sorry, but this time i cannot supply a detailed
patch description. this would not make much sense
with the very first prototype anyway.

all recordings were taken directly from the
a111/2 main output.


1.
an adsr envelope patched to the cv morph input.

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph1.mp3

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph2.mp3

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph3.mp3


2.
a triangle lfo patched to the cv morph input.

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-lfomorph1.mp3

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-lfomorph2.mp3

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-lfomorph3.mp3


3.
manual pulsewidth modulation on pulse2.

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-pwm.mp3


4.
a little bit of raving linear fm madness with an
a110 sinewave as fm modulator.

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-linfm-assault.mp3


5. 
sometimes an experiment fails in a good way :-)
this was a simple melody in the beginning,
but when i turned the linear bias down to zero
i discovered this complex crackling percussion.
it is a bit uncertain if the bias control will
make it into the final product, because it is not
incredibly versatile soundwise. opinions?

http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-nobias-perc.mp3


best wishes

ingo

hello Ingo,
many thanks again for your great work on the audio
clips!
best regards,
bakis.




--- selfoscillate <synaptic_music@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> hello list,
> 
> last week i toyed around with the a111/2 prototype.
> the a111/2 should be seen as a new vco module, with
> the
> vcf and vca parts as an extra bonus. however, the
> main
> part of the unit is the vco in combination with the
> morphing section, this is what makes the module
> special.
> therefore the following examples MAKE NO USE of the
> vcf
> and vca in the a111/2. it's all made with the vco
> and
> morphing section only, with vcf and vca in their
> most
> neutral setting. this should give a better idea
> about
> the differences between a standard vco and the
> a111/2.
> 
> sorry, but this time i cannot supply a detailed
> patch description. this would not make much sense
> with the very first prototype anyway.
> 
> all recordings were taken directly from the
> a111/2 main output.
> 
> 
> 1.
> an adsr envelope patched to the cv morph input.
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph1.mp3
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph2.mp3
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph3.mp3
> 
> 
> 2.
> a triangle lfo patched to the cv morph input.
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-lfomorph1.mp3
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-lfomorph2.mp3
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-lfomorph3.mp3
> 
> 
> 3.
> manual pulsewidth modulation on pulse2.
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-pwm.mp3
> 
> 
> 4.
> a little bit of raving linear fm madness with an
> a110 sinewave as fm modulator.
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-linfm-assault.mp3
> 
> 
> 5. 
> sometimes an experiment fails in a good way :-)
> this was a simple melody in the beginning,
> but when i turned the linear bias down to zero
> i discovered this complex crackling percussion.
> it is a bit uncertain if the bias control will
> make it into the final product, because it is not
> incredibly versatile soundwise. opinions?
> 
>
http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-nobias-perc.mp3
> 
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander 
<Florian.Anwander@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ingo,
> 
> 
> selfoscillate wrote:
> > this should give a better idea about
> > the differences between a standard vco and the a111/2.
> Thanks for the examples. These show, that the new A-111 is nothing 
> stunning new. There is nothing that could not be done with existing 
> modules.
> I really hoped a new highend VCO would present real new features like 
> the oscillators from Plan B or cyndustries.
> 
> Florian


hello florian,

i don't know of any other vco which can produce the same
waveform animations as the a111/2 can do. of course you can do
very similar things using other modules, but you would need
a few of them and in total they would cost a lot more money.
compared to the a111 the a111/2 will probably cost only 50 euros
more, but it really offers a lot more. this is especially
important as the cem3340's in the a111 are getting
really rare. at a certain point in the future the a111 will
run out or cost at least the same as an a111/2 and then it will
be obvious why an a111/2 is a cool thing.

on the other hand i can understand what you mean.
the a111/2 is not spilling out really exciting new timbres
like the a137 or a188 can do, but the a111/2 is very good
in creating more subtle animations beyond filtering.
it never before was that easy to obtain these sounds, as almost
everything necessary is already built-in (except for the envelopes).
of course an experienced user with the right selection of
modules can do very similar things.

the a111/2 is not a through-zero-design, but afaik
dieter is also designing such a vco too.
maybe this through-zero-vco offers the features
you are looking for.

i really like the plan b model 15, but besides it's sound i
cannot see any special feature on this vco which cannot be
found on the a111/2 too. the zeroscillator has some cool new
features for sure, but this module costs the same as
three a111/2.

during this week i'll record more examples with the prototype,
let's see if i can do something more exciting with it.

best wishes

ingo

Hi Ingo,


selfoscillate wrote:
> this should give a better idea about
> the differences between a standard vco and the a111/2.
Thanks for the examples. These show, that the new A-111 is nothing 
stunning new. There is nothing that could not be done with existing 
modules.
I really hoped a new highend VCO would present real new features like 
the oscillators from Plan B or cyndustries.

Florian

Hello Florian,

a thru-zero quadrature VCO is under development (the first prototype has
already been sent to an A-100 user for testing, especially in combination
with the frequency shifter A-126) and I assume that it will be ready early
in 2007. At the moment we are about to try different temperature compensated
exponential generators for the oscillator core.

Best wishes
Dieter

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> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von Florian Anwander
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 4. Oktober 2006 13:36
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] a111/2 dynamic vco prototype sound examples
>
>
> Hi Ingo,
>
>
> selfoscillate wrote:
> > this should give a better idea about
> > the differences between a standard vco and the a111/2.
> Thanks for the examples. These show, that the new A-111 is nothing
> stunning new. There is nothing that could not be done with existing
> modules.
> I really hoped a new highend VCO would present real new features like
> the oscillators from Plan B or cyndustries.
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for the examples!  I can't think of a more useful and nice-to-have
VCO than the A111/2.  Comparing it with an ordinary VCO like the A111 or 110
reveals its usefulness in higher relief.

--Chuck

selfoscillate wrote:

> 1.
> an adsr envelope patched to the cv morph input.
> 
> http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph1.mp3

What kind of waveform does that start off with officially. It looks like 
a distorted sine wave.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Jay <groups@...> wrote:
>
> selfoscillate wrote:
> 
> > 1.
> > an adsr envelope patched to the cv morph input.
> > 
> > http://www.selfoscillate.de/a100files/a111-2-vco-envmorph1.mp3
> 
> What kind of waveform does that start off with officially. It looks 
like 
> a distorted sine wave.
>


the starting wave is the sine output of the prototype.
the distortion is coming from the currently used
sine-converter in the prototype, which will probably
be replaced by a better one in the final product.
so in the end the final a111/2 will offer a cleaner
sinewave than the prototype.

best wishes

ingo

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "unknown freak" 
<vogelscheiss@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the examples!  I can't think of a more useful and nice-
to-have
> VCO than the A111/2.  Comparing it with an ordinary VCO like the 
A111 or 110
> reveals its usefulness in higher relief.
> 
> --Chuck
>


yes, i see that in a similar way.
it is not that the a111/2 gives us really new timbres,
but it's usefulness is really great. you just use
it an other ways than a standard vco, because almost
all parts are right where you need them.

florian pointed out that the functionality could be
replicated with ordinary modules, and of course he is right.
besides the a111 you would need three mixers to provide
the composed waveforms, and an addressed switch (a152)
to select between these mixes by a voltage.
the morphing could be done with an a134 panner and the
cheapest way to get the second pulse waveform would
be the use of an a167 comparator. i'm not counting
the needed a180 multiples and still i count six additional
modules to get the functionality of an a111/2 out of an a111,
and then you still don't have the vcf and the vca.

best wishes

ingo