Doepfer

Hello group,

I haven't been visiting here for a long time.
A lot has happened I see! good!

A friend of mine is building a module that will be able to convert Doepfer (and other cv 
sources) to be converted to the computer via a simple HID device. The connection for this 
will be via USB. The maximum frequency it should pick up will be about 50 Hz.
The amount of inputs will be 6. The best thing will be that this will be in 10 bits.
So the values it will give you in the computer will be between 0 and 1023. (8 times the 
range of midi!!!)

 It will make it easy to use for instance Doepfer modules to drive Max/MSP patches (The HI 
object will immediately recognize the HID device!) and Supercollider patches (an object 
similar to Max's Hi exists in for supercollider, written by another friend of mine).

Examples: Drive Max/MSP with the Doepfer Theremin module, footcontroller, the A149 
etc. (use your fantasy). 

My friend is currently working on a prototype and estimates that he will sell this module 
for about 60 euro's.. 

Let me know what you lot think about this.

Thanks,

Ernst

this sounds like a very cool idea.

best wishes

ingo



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "achtung_999" 
<heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,
> 
> I haven't been visiting here for a long time.
> A lot has happened I see! good!
> 
> A friend of mine is building a module that will be able to convert 
Doepfer (and other cv 
> sources) to be converted to the computer via a simple HID device. 
The connection for this 
> will be via USB. The maximum frequency it should pick up will be 
about 50 Hz.
> The amount of inputs will be 6. The best thing will be that this 
will be in 10 bits.
> So the values it will give you in the computer will be between 0 
and 1023. (8 times the 
> range of midi!!!)
> 
>  It will make it easy to use for instance Doepfer modules to drive 
Max/MSP patches (The HI 
> object will immediately recognize the HID device!) and 
Supercollider patches (an object 
> similar to Max's Hi exists in for supercollider, written by another 
friend of mine).
> 
> Examples: Drive Max/MSP with the Doepfer Theremin module, 
footcontroller, the A149 
> etc. (use your fantasy). 
> 
> My friend is currently working on a prototype and estimates that he 
will sell this module 

> for about 60 euro's.. 
> 
> Let me know what you lot think about this.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ernst
>

in all honesty, this is an amazing idea and make performances/recording so versatile. 
keep us updated!

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "selfoscillate" <synaptic_music@...> wrote:

>
> 
> this sounds like a very cool idea.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "achtung_999" 
> <heinrich.himmelwasser@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello group,
> > 
> > I haven't been visiting here for a long time.
> > A lot has happened I see! good!
> > 
> > A friend of mine is building a module that will be able to convert 
> Doepfer (and other cv 
> > sources) to be converted to the computer via a simple HID device. 
> The connection for this 
> > will be via USB. The maximum frequency it should pick up will be 
> about 50 Hz.
> > The amount of inputs will be 6. The best thing will be that this 
> will be in 10 bits.
> > So the values it will give you in the computer will be between 0 
> and 1023. (8 times the 
> > range of midi!!!)
> > 
> >  It will make it easy to use for instance Doepfer modules to drive 
> Max/MSP patches (The HI 
> > object will immediately recognize the HID device!) and 
> Supercollider patches (an object 
> > similar to Max's Hi exists in for supercollider, written by another 
> friend of mine).
> > 
> > Examples: Drive Max/MSP with the Doepfer Theremin module, 
> footcontroller, the A149 
> > etc. (use your fantasy). 
> > 
> > My friend is currently working on a prototype and estimates that he 
> will sell this module 
> > for about 60 euro's.. 
> > 
> > Let me know what you lot think about this.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Ernst
> >
>

We are also prototyping a similar OEM board with 64 inputs but 8 bit
resolution only (USB and Midi, USB powered or powered by a standard wall
outlet power supply if USB is not connected). Estimated release date: early
2007.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von achtung_999
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2006 14:09
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] CV (via HID device) to mac/pc module
>
>
> Hello group,
>
> I haven't been visiting here for a long time.
> A lot has happened I see! good!
>
> A friend of mine is building a module that will be able to
> convert Doepfer (and other cv
> sources) to be converted to the computer via a simple HID device.
> The connection for this
> will be via USB. The maximum frequency it should pick up will be
> about 50 Hz.
> The amount of inputs will be 6. The best thing will be that this
> will be in 10 bits.
> So the values it will give you in the computer will be between 0
> and 1023. (8 times the
> range of midi!!!)
>
>  It will make it easy to use for instance Doepfer modules to
> drive Max/MSP patches (The HI
> object will immediately recognize the HID device!) and
> Supercollider patches (an object
> similar to Max's Hi exists in for supercollider, written by
> another friend of mine).
>
> Examples: Drive Max/MSP with the Doepfer Theremin module,
> footcontroller, the A149
> etc. (use your fantasy).
>
> My friend is currently working on a prototype and estimates that
> he will sell this module
> for about 60 euro's..
>
> Let me know what you lot think about this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ernst
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Thanks for the positive feedback already!

I just had my friend on the phone. And we like to clear up some things.
Like I answered to Chris:

The actual samplerate of this device will be about 100/110 hz which, so I am
told, results in having 50 hz as the max input frequency for control
voltages.
Considering that it is being designed to be used with manual
controllers (faders, theremins, foot pedals) this is of course
plenty... (try moving your hands more than 50 times per second ;-) ).

Chris asked if the reverse was also possible. The answer to that is yes.
But not at this price and with this hardware. BUT>>> My friend works at the conservatory 
of the Hague were he helps out building these babies: http://www.koncon.nl/ipsonlab/
ipson_htm/ipson_features.htm 
So yes it is possible. Those devices work with the Open Sound Control protocol. Which is 
deeply implemented in supercollider and is also compatible with Max/MSP. The price is I 
believe around 150 euros and you need to build it yourself. It's a kit. 

So the module my friend is designing now is a fast and simple alternative for people who 
want simply put 6 CVs as input into supercollider& Max/MSP..

It looks now that the prototype will be ready within 2 weeks time.. 
I'll keep you guys posted!

Ernst

for 60 euros I'd buy one for sure!


Richard._,___ 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Ernst,

    This seems really innovative, but is it solely for use with
Supercollider & Max/MSP? I initially thought of it as a great way to record
and store CV¹s to create almost like a ³CV Bank² for my modular. I¹m not a
Max/MSP guy(at least not yet) so can you elaborate on uses of this device?

    Best Regards,
    John

On 10/12/06 12:27 PM, "achtung_999" <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> >So the module my friend is designing now is a fast and simple alternative
>> for people who 
>> >want simply put 6 CVs as input into supercollider& Max/MSP..
> 
>> >It looks now that the prototype will be ready within 2 weeks time..
>> >I'll keep you guys posted!
> 
>> >Ernst
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

For all users who have been asking for an A-100 oscilloscope maybe we found
a solution. The Belgium manufacturer Velleman has available an LCD
oscilloscope module VPS10 that will fit into the A-100 frame (even suitcase
version). Details can be found here:

http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=522077

We consider to offer an A-100 front panel and power supply adapter (the VPS
requires 9V/300mA) so that the scope can be mounted to an A-100 frames and
powered by the A-100 power supply. Unfortunately the VPS10 requires 300mA
and this current would be taken away from the A-100 PSU. Another solution
would be to supply the VPS10 by a standard 9V wall outlet power supply.

We will probably not offer the complete scope module as we do not get a
better price for the VPS10 than the end user (about Euro 180, i.e. about
US$220) but only the front panel/power supply kit. The VPS10 has to be
ordered by the customer. The installation is simple (4 mounting screws + 2
solder point for the power supply).

Let me know what you think.

Bakis, maybe you can start a poll like this:

are you interested in the A-100/VPS10 scope module in general ?
would you prefer the front panel/power supply adapter (the VPS10 has to be
purchased and added/mounted by the user) ?
would you prefer the complete module (much more expensive than the adapter +
VPS 10 as Doepfer will have to charge for handling/dealer rebate/warranty of
VPS10) ?


Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

I have to correct my own message. Christian Assall told me that even our
board has a 10 bit ADC available and it will depend upon the software if
only 7 bit (midi standard) or 10 bit are used. Next week I'll have the first
pictures available. But we will offer it as an OEM board only, i.e. not as
an A-100 module. From our experience the inquiries for such a module (like
the A-192) are a bit poor. But it would be no problem to wire the 64 inputs
to an A-100 panel with 64 sockets (e.g. using the 42 HP blind panel).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von hardware@doepfer.de
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2006 16:09
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: AW: [Doepfer_a100] CV (via HID device) to mac/pc module
>
>
> We are also prototyping a similar OEM board with 64 inputs but 8 bit
> resolution only (USB and Midi, USB powered or powered by a standard wall
> outlet power supply if USB is not connected). Estimated release
> date: early 2007.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von achtung_999
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Oktober 2006 14:09
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] CV (via HID device) to mac/pc module
> >
> >
> > Hello group,
> >
> > I haven't been visiting here for a long time.
> > A lot has happened I see! good!
> >
> > A friend of mine is building a module that will be able to
> > convert Doepfer (and other cv
> > sources) to be converted to the computer via a simple HID device.
> > The connection for this
> > will be via USB. The maximum frequency it should pick up will be
> > about 50 Hz.
> > The amount of inputs will be 6. The best thing will be that this
> > will be in 10 bits.
> > So the values it will give you in the computer will be between 0
> > and 1023. (8 times the
> > range of midi!!!)
> >
> >  It will make it easy to use for instance Doepfer modules to
> > drive Max/MSP patches (The HI
> > object will immediately recognize the HID device!) and
> > Supercollider patches (an object
> > similar to Max's Hi exists in for supercollider, written by
> > another friend of mine).
> >
> > Examples: Drive Max/MSP with the Doepfer Theremin module,
> > footcontroller, the A149
> > etc. (use your fantasy).
> >
> > My friend is currently working on a prototype and estimates that
> > he will sell this module
> > for about 60 euro's..
> >
> > Let me know what you lot think about this.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ernst
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

I will buy one :-)

hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

>
> For all users who have been asking for an A-100 oscilloscope maybe we 
> found
> a solution. The Belgium manufacturer Velleman has available an LCD
> oscilloscope module VPS10 that will fit into the A-100 frame (even 
> suitcase
> version). Details can be found here:
>
> http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=522077 
> <http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=522077>
>
> We consider to offer an A-100 front panel and power supply adapter 
> (the VPS
> requires 9V/300mA) so that the scope can be mounted to an A-100 frames and
> powered by the A-100 power supply. Unfortunately the VPS10 requires 300mA
> and this current would be taken away from the A-100 PSU. Another solution
> would be to supply the VPS10 by a standard 9V wall outlet power supply.
>
> We will probably not offer the complete scope module as we do not get a
> better price for the VPS10 than the end user (about Euro 180, i.e. about
> US$220) but only the front panel/power supply kit. The VPS10 has to be
> ordered by the customer. The installation is simple (4 mounting screws + 2
> solder point for the power supply).
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> Bakis, maybe you can start a poll like this:
>
> are you interested in the A-100/VPS10 scope module in general ?
> would you prefer the front panel/power supply adapter (the VPS10 has to be
> purchased and added/mounted by the user) ?
> would you prefer the complete module (much more expensive than the 
> adapter +
> VPS 10 as Doepfer will have to charge for handling/dealer 
> rebate/warranty of
> VPS10) ?
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>

John,

In principle it will work with any software that accepts HID devices
(joysticks, gamecontrollers etc.). So in theory you could be playing a
videogame controlled with your Doepfer ;-)

Unfortunately I don't know any other musicsoftware besides the 2
previously mentioned pieces of software that recognise HID devices. It
is however possible to write a standalone application with Max/MSP (so
I could make that and anyone else can run that on their machines
without having to own max) that could sent the data output to the
internal midi bus of your computer... but that would be a bit strange
won't it?

The uses: well in live performance it might be nice to be able to use
a few of Doepfer's nice input devices like the A174 joystick, A178
Theremin or even the A179 light controlled CV source. Process the
output from those devices with other Doepfer modules and then send it
to your computer. The niceness is that because of the 10 bit
resolution it will be so much smoother than using that ancient horrid
midi protocol (which is 7bit btw. ).

On recording CVs: Great method. I'm also still searching for a valid
way to do this.
I'm currently working on a new composition where I will be using a few
CV's that will be created in ProTools by drawing a volume curve over
white noise. I will transfer those curves to CV with the A119.
Primitive, yes!
There are better ways of doing this but....Will I be whining for a
frequency demodulator again?? I don't think Doepfer will ever be
making that A195 --snif--

Then a few questions for Dieter.. This OEM board. Will this be a midi
interface or a HID device? What will be the resulting data in the
computer? Will it be full 8 bit (so not like midi 7bit + control bit)
??

Greetings,

Ernst

On 10/12/06, inform3r@optonline.net <inform3r@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hi Ernst,
>
>  This seems really innovative, but is it solely for use with
>  Supercollider & Max/MSP? I initially thought of it as a great way to record
>  and store CV¹s to create almost like a ³CV Bank² for my modular. I¹m not a
>  Max/MSP guy(at least not yet) so can you elaborate on uses of this device?
>
>  Best Regards,
>  John
>
>  On 10/12/06 12:27 PM, "achtung_999" <heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  >
>  >> >So the module my friend is designing now is a fast and simple
> alternative
>  >> for people who
>  >> >want simply put 6 CVs as input into supercollider& Max/MSP..
>  >
>  >> >It looks now that the prototype will be ready within 2 weeks time..
>  >> >I'll keep you guys posted!
>  >
>  >> >Ernst
>  >
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

hello dieter,
that's a great idea! i would buy such a module for
sure!
and i am also sure that i would prefer the complete
module to buy from you, so i do not have to solder
anything, just to mount the complete module to my
doepfer racks!
i'll create the poll, asap!
many thanks,
best regards,
Bakis.





--- hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> For all users who have been asking for an A-100
> oscilloscope maybe we found
> a solution. The Belgium manufacturer Velleman has
> available an LCD
> oscilloscope module VPS10 that will fit into the
> A-100 frame (even suitcase
> version). Details can be found here:
> 
>
http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=522077
> 
> We consider to offer an A-100 front panel and power
> supply adapter (the VPS
> requires 9V/300mA) so that the scope can be mounted
> to an A-100 frames and
> powered by the A-100 power supply. Unfortunately the
> VPS10 requires 300mA
> and this current would be taken away from the A-100
> PSU. Another solution
> would be to supply the VPS10 by a standard 9V wall
> outlet power supply.
> 
> We will probably not offer the complete scope module
> as we do not get a
> better price for the VPS10 than the end user (about
> Euro 180, i.e. about
> US$220) but only the front panel/power supply kit.
> The VPS10 has to be
> ordered by the customer. The installation is simple
> (4 mounting screws + 2
> solder point for the power supply).
> 
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> Bakis, maybe you can start a poll like this:
> 
> are you interested in the A-100/VPS10 scope module
> in general ?
> would you prefer the front panel/power supply
> adapter (the VPS10 has to be
> purchased and added/mounted by the user) ?
> would you prefer the complete module (much more
> expensive than the adapter +
> VPS 10 as Doepfer will have to charge for
> handling/dealer rebate/warranty of
> VPS10) ?
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
http://www.rubber.gr
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> Then a few questions for Dieter.. This OEM board. Will this be a midi
> interface or a HID device? What will be the resulting data in the
> computer? Will it be full 8 bit (so not like midi 7bit + control bit)

You've got me there! I'm not the software specialist and don't know details
about the human interface device HID. I'd recommend to contact Christian
Assall directly (software@doepfer.de) to discuss these details as he is
about to write the software for the announced OEM board. But even in Midi it
would be possible to transfer more than 7 bits by using MSB and LSB of a
controller. From my point of view both Midi (MSB+LSB) and HID would be a
solution but I'm not 100% sure.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

btw. The ptv converter A-195 is still under development. I cannot predict
any release date but I'm confidential that it will come ...

Hello !! Once upon a time, I learned "Max/MSP"(http://www.cycling74.com/products/
maxmsp). It is a graphical environment-software for music, audio, and multimedia on 
Macintosh and Windows PC. "Max/MSP" is the virtual instrument, meanwhile the 
Modular Synthesizer like an "A-100" is the real instrument. So it might apparently fall 
into a category mistake between "A-100" and "HID device", although the "HID device" is a 
more convenient hybrid of analogue and digital. Now is it true music can be really 
converted into the sampling information in the binary system ? Sound comes from not 
the binary system in the programming but the cosmic oscillators in the space. Any way, 
it's rather poor to record audio by "Max/MSP" as compared with "Pro Tools" (http://
www.digidesign.com/intl_selector.cfm) by Digi Design. When I encountered "A-100" by 
Doepfer, it suddenly occurred I should once leave DAW like a "Pro Tools" on Mac. I shall 
soon apply "FileMaker Pro" (http://www.filemaker.com/) to the database management 
for a large number of my personal patchings and sound files of "A-100" on Mac. I think 
"A-100" is actually independent of any digital media. Here is an attractive "A-100" by 
Doepfer from Germany. ciao !!

I seem to have spent a lot of money of doepfer modules and so have run out of sockets on my PSU. My PSU has plenty of output to spare so does anyone know of a UK source for jumper cables which would allow me to run multiple modules from one socket? I couldn't find such a thing on doepfer's site

or is this not a recommended way to go?

Richard

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Could such an oscilloscope be used to capture an image of one off events like a triggered envelope or would it just be useful for waveshapes, LFOs etc?

Richard

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bakis Sirros 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-100 oscilloscope module


  hello dieter,
  that's a great idea! i would buy such a module for
  sure!
  and i am also sure that i would prefer the complete
  module to buy from you, so i do not have to solder
  anything, just to mount the complete module to my
  doepfer racks!
  i'll create the poll, asap!
  many thanks,
  best regards,
  Bakis.

  --- hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

  > For all users who have been asking for an A-100
  > oscilloscope maybe we found
  > a solution. The Belgium manufacturer Velleman has
  > available an LCD
  > oscilloscope module VPS10 that will fit into the
  > A-100 frame (even suitcase
  > version). Details can be found here:
  > 
  >
  http://www.vellemanusa.com/us/enu/product/view/?id=522077
  > 
  > We consider to offer an A-100 front panel and power
  > supply adapter (the VPS
  > requires 9V/300mA) so that the scope can be mounted
  > to an A-100 frames and
  > powered by the A-100 power supply. Unfortunately the
  > VPS10 requires 300mA
  > and this current would be taken away from the A-100
  > PSU. Another solution
  > would be to supply the VPS10 by a standard 9V wall
  > outlet power supply.
  > 
  > We will probably not offer the complete scope module
  > as we do not get a
  > better price for the VPS10 than the end user (about
  > Euro 180, i.e. about
  > US$220) but only the front panel/power supply kit.
  > The VPS10 has to be
  > ordered by the customer. The installation is simple
  > (4 mounting screws + 2
  > solder point for the power supply).
  > 
  > Let me know what you think.
  > 
  > Bakis, maybe you can start a poll like this:
  > 
  > are you interested in the A-100/VPS10 scope module
  > in general ?
  > would you prefer the front panel/power supply
  > adapter (the VPS10 has to be
  > purchased and added/mounted by the user) ?
  > would you prefer the complete module (much more
  > expensive than the adapter +
  > VPS 10 as Doepfer will have to charge for
  > handling/dealer rebate/warranty of
  > VPS10) ?
  > 
  > 
  > Best wishes
  > Dieter Doepfer
  > 
  > 

  Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
  [Doepfer_a100] group owner
  http://www.parallel-worlds-music.com
  http://www.myspace.com/parallelworldsmusic
  http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
  http://www.rubber.gr
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Thanks for the answer Dieter.
I will mail Christian soon with some questions.
I am also not a software specialist..
I'm just an ideasman, my friend is the designer/builder/programmer.

Thanks a lot for giving me some hope for that A195 ;-)

> You've got me there! I'm not the software specialist and don't know details
> about the human interface device HID. I'd recommend to contact Christian
> Assall directly (software@...) to discuss these details as he is
> about to write the software for the announced OEM board. But even in Midi it
> would be possible to transfer more than 7 bits by using MSB and LSB of a
> controller. From my point of view both Midi (MSB+LSB) and HID would be a
> solution but I'm not 100% sure.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> btw. The ptv converter A-195 is still under development. I cannot predict
> any release date but I'm confidential that it will come ...
>

this will give you 5 from 1, it may help...new from Plan B:
   
  http://www.ear-group.net/model_1.html

Richard <richardscott@btconnect.com> wrote:
          I seem to have spent a lot of money of doepfer modules and so have run out of sockets on my PSU. My PSU has plenty of output to spare so does anyone know of a UK source for jumper cables which would allow me to run multiple modules from one socket? I couldn't find such a thing on doepfer's site

or is this not a recommended way to go?

Richard

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It looks like it's single trace; a dual trace scope would be a lot more useful. 

Plus, I'm partial to my analog scope. We _do_ like analog here, right?

-n

Hello !! Is it really necessary for "A-100" to implement such an oscilloscope module ?
Shall we listen to the sound of some oscillators of "A-100". A musician must have an ear 
for a fine sound with his(her) keener artistic sense. Can you imagine as if Wolfgang 
Amadeus Mozart would compose music with the oscilloscope ? Here is the Anlogue 
Modular Synthesizer like an "A-100" by Doepfer from Germany. ciao !!

credo99muro wrote:
> Hello !! Is it really necessary for "A-100" to implement such an oscilloscope module ?
> Shall we listen to the sound of some oscillators of "A-100". A musician must have an ear 
> for a fine sound with his(her) keener artistic sense. Can you imagine as if Wolfgang 
> Amadeus Mozart would compose music with the oscilloscope ? Here is the Anlogue 
> Modular Synthesizer like an "A-100" by Doepfer from Germany. ciao !!

Because it's fun to look at?

Why have LED's or other signal level indicators at all then, if we are 
to follow the approach that they are musically unnecessary?

can you imagine if tom dowd never used a level meter?!

On Oct 14, 2006, at 4:48 PM, credo99muro wrote:

> Hello !! Is it really necessary for "A-100" to implement such an  
> oscilloscope module ?
> Shall we listen to the sound of some oscillators of "A-100". A  
> musician must have an ear
> for a fine sound with his(her) keener artistic sense. Can you  
> imagine as if Wolfgang
> Amadeus Mozart would compose music with the oscilloscope ? Here is  
> the Anlogue
> Modular Synthesizer like an "A-100" by Doepfer from Germany. ciao !!
>
>
>

Hello !! When I record music, LED's or other signal level indicators are very useful by 
analogue as well as digital. Meanwhile it is said Analogue Modular Synthesizers such as 
"MOOG Systems" and "A-100" are originally instruments without them.This oscilloscope 
module issue is whether a musician is able to concentrate his(her) attention upon his
(her) works or not. Is the oscilloscope module voluntarily one of the requirements of "A-
100" by DOEPFER ? ciao !!

of course an oscilloscope is not "necessary": but it could be "fascinating" 

R

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: n2eil 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:53 PM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-100 oscilloscope module


  It looks like it's single trace; a dual trace scope would be a lot more useful. 

  Plus, I'm partial to my analog scope. We _do_ like analog here, right?

  -n



   

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exactly! and useful.
best regards,
bakis.



--- Richard <richardscott@btconnect.com> wrote:

> of course an oscilloscope is not "necessary": but it
> could be "fascinating" 
> 
> R
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: n2eil 
>   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:53 PM
>   Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-100 oscilloscope
> module
> 
> 
>   It looks like it's single trace; a dual trace
> scope would be a lot more useful. 
> 
>   Plus, I'm partial to my analog scope. We _do_ like
> analog here, right?
> 
>   -n
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> 
> 


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Here is an idea, put a video output on the module
> so when you are playing a show you can put the video
> feed of the ocilloscope into the house video system.  
> Its good to get all these ideas out in the early planning
> stages ;)
>  
>   <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   >  >   >  

> exactly! and useful.
>  best regards,
>  bakis.
>  
>  --- Richard <richardscott@btconnect. com> wrote:
>  
>  > of course an oscilloscope is not "necessary": but
> it
>  > could be "fascinating"
>  >
>  > R
>  >
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: n2eil
>  > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups. com
>  > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:53 PM
> 
>  > module
>  >
>  >
>  > It looks like it's single trace; a dual trace
>  > scope would be a lot more useful.
>  >
> 
>  > analog here, right?
>  >
>  > -n
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > [Non-text portions of this message have been
>  > removed]
>  >
>  >
>  
>  Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
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>  http://www.parallel-worlds-music. com
>  http://www.myspace. com/parallelworldsmusic
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If you're going to do that, then why don't we get some
video processing modules based on that EMS video
processor? (don't know what it's called, but it
appears in the film "Sans Soleil".)

but seriously, if you're going to have a scope, it
should be dual trace. What all can you do with a
'scope?

http://www.tek.com/Measurement/App_Notes/XYZs/03W_8605_2.pdf


--- Paul Schmidt <paul_schmidt@mirrorliteco.com>
wrote:

>    Here is an idea, put a video output on the module
> > so when you are playing a show you can put the
> video
> > feed of the ocilloscope into the house video
> system.��
> > Its good to get all these ideas out in the early
> planning
> > stages ;)
> >  
> >   <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:   >  >   >
>  
> 
> > exactly! and useful.
> >  best regards,
> >  bakis.
> >  
> >  --- Richard <richardscott@btconnect. com> wrote:
> >  
> >  > of course an oscilloscope is not "necessary":
> but
> > it
> >  > could be "fascinating"
> >  >
> >  > R
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > From: n2eil
> >  > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups. com
> >  > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:53 PM
> > 
> >  > module
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > It looks like it's single trace; a dual trace
> >  > scope would be a lot more useful.
> >  >
> > 
> >  > analog here, right?
> >  >
> >  > -n
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> >  > removed]
> >  >
> >  >
> >  
> >  Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds
> >  [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> >  http://www.parallel-worlds-music. com
> >  http://www.myspace. com/parallelworldsmusic
> >  http://www.shimarecords.co.uk
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hello list,

regarding the oscilloscope, many people asked for that,
but dieter told us that it is almost impossible for him to
build one. he has to use the o-scopes that are available
on the market. so it is of no use to discuss additional
features for an o-scope, such as video-out and stuff,
the oscilloscope can only be used "as is" from the
original manufacturer. the only help would be if someone
finds another o-scope with the same dimensions and the
additional features already built-in. 

another solution is to buy a used o-scope on ebay.
i bought a dual-trace-oscilloscope there for under 200$,
but it is certainly too big to fit into a doepfer frame.

best wishes

ingo




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:

>
> exactly! and useful.
> best regards,
> bakis.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Richard <richardscott@...> wrote:
> 
> > of course an oscilloscope is not "necessary": but it
> > could be "fascinating" 
> > 
> > R
> > 
> > 
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: n2eil 
> >   To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 11:53 PM
> >   Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A-100 oscilloscope
> > module
> > 
> > 
> >   It looks like it's single trace; a dual trace
> > scope would be a lot more useful. 
> > 
> >   Plus, I'm partial to my analog scope. We _do_ like
> > analog here, right?
> > 
> >   -n
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
>
> We are also prototyping a similar OEM board with 64 inputs but 8 bit
> resolution only (USB and Midi, USB powered or powered by a standard wall
> outlet power supply if USB is not connected). Estimated release
date: early
> 2007.
> 


Hi Dieter,

8bit????   is this 1986?

I hope by then it's all grown up and 16bit, or at least 12bit.   any
which way it would be cool, but 8bit is not very practical in many
applications (smooth)
the encore expressionist has been 16bit for how many years now?

I`m with you: the minimum would be 12 bits but 16 bit is the optimal.
I think in the old times 8 bit could be justified because the high prices
for 12 or 16 bit converters, but not nowdays...

Also FYI, the only midi-cv converter I use is the encore expressionist
(16bits smotth converter!) and the kenton pro2000 (i use just the 16 bit
outs for CV, the aux outputs are used for trigger/gate only).
8 bits are unusable for precision VC control and even using slew at the
ouput can`t work for lost of aplications.

Please bring us another good product!

Josue Arias.


2006/10/16, the finger <monkeyfinger@mac.com>:
>
>   --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> <hardware@...> wrote:
> >
> > We are also prototyping a similar OEM board with 64 inputs but 8 bit
> > resolution only (USB and Midi, USB powered or powered by a standard wall
> > outlet power supply if USB is not connected). Estimated release
> date: early
> > 2007.
> >
>
> Hi Dieter,
>
> 8bit???? is this 1986?
>
> I hope by then it's all grown up and 16bit, or at least 12bit. any
> which way it would be cool, but 8bit is not very practical in many
> applications (smooth)
> the encore expressionist has been 16bit for how many years now?
>
> 
>


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1. I corrected my first message to 10 bit (i.e. 1024 steps).

2. The encore expressionist is Midi-to-CV (not CV-to-Midi). E.g. our MCV24
even has 12 bit resolution.

3. It would be no problem to use a 12, 14 or 16 bit ADC but we found that 16
bit is not required or useful for most CV-to-Midi applications. If you for
example connect a simple potentiometer to a 16 bit ADC you will obtain a
permanent data stream even without operating the potentiometer because of
voltage fluctuations (caused e.g. by electrical noise, thermal effects, hum,
crosstalk). For example in our R2M which has 12 bit resolution the
resolution has to be reduced to 10 bit by software in certain modes to avoid
the permanent transmission of redundant data (e.g.
3053-3052-3054-3052-3051-3052 ...).

In addition a higher resolution should be combined with a higher sample
rate. At a small sample rate one obtains similar steps for 10, 12 or 16 bit
resolution as the time intervals are too small to take advantage of the
higher resolution. In Midi one is limited to a max. transmission rate of 31
kBaud - though most devices will hang up if you really transmit Midi data at
with this rate. From my point of view a resolution of 10 bits is sufficient
for a CV-to-Midi device with 64 inputs. A 16 bit CV-to-Midi interface with
64 inputs and high transmission rate will totally block Midi. For a
CV-to-Midi device with a single input (or only a few inputs) the
circumstances are different as you are able to use the full Midi bandwidth
for one parameter only. In this case a higher resolution and higher sample
rate will indeed make sense.

And after all you need a Midi receiver that really processes the 16 bit date
and does not cut the higher bits before processing/calculation.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von the finger
> Gesendet: Montag, 16. Oktober 2006 17:28
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: CV (via HID device) to mac/pc module
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, <hardware@...> wrote:
> >
> > We are also prototyping a similar OEM board with 64 inputs but 8 bit
> > resolution only (USB and Midi, USB powered or powered by a standard wall
> > outlet power supply if USB is not connected). Estimated release
> date: early
> > 2007.
> >
>
>
> Hi Dieter,
>
> 8bit????   is this 1986?
>
> I hope by then it's all grown up and 16bit, or at least 12bit.   any
> which way it would be cool, but 8bit is not very practical in many
> applications (smooth)
> the encore expressionist has been 16bit for how many years now?
>
>
>
>
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