Doepfer

Hello all,

Could anyone tell me what kind of screws (and possible additional
parts) I need for installing the Proma-rails in a wooden case? The
local Proma-dealer just told me, that I need to get them in a
DIY-store, but not what kind of screws and other parts I need...

Thank you a lot,
-Michael

> Hello all,
>
> Could anyone tell me what kind of screws (and possible additional
> parts) I need for installing the Proma-rails in a wooden case? The
> local Proma-dealer just told me, that I need to get them in a
> DIY-store, but not what kind of screws and other parts I need...
>
> Thank you a lot,
> -Michael

Finally it depends upon your construction. But normally two M5x20
self-tapping screws for each 19" rail (one on each end) are sufficient.
That's how the rails are mounted in our A-100 suitcases. For details please
look at the ProMa catalogue:

http://www.proma-technologie.com/englisch/rundum_l/produkte/19zoll/pdf/tprof
_e1.pdf

This document shows all parts needed to built your own case. The screws are
listed on page 2 item (5), Item no.: 469 050 0206

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

P.S. Early next year we will offer a so-called "A-100 DIY kit". It will
probably include these parts:

DIY power supply (same specs as PSU2 but with an external transformer for
safety reasons, no access to dangerous voltage for the DIY customer)
1 or 2 bus boards
2 or 4 angled rails 84HP with M3 threads
cables to connect the bus boards to the power supply
assembly instructions (example a for a wooden case with all dimensions for
the additonally required wooden boards you have to purchase e.g. in your
local hardware store), boring template for drilling the holes for the power
supply and the bus boards

The estimated price will be in the Euro 100 range (with 1 bus board and 2
rails) or Euro 130 range (with 2 bus boards and 2 rails). Details, pictures,
prices and delivery dates coming soon.

Dieter,

If I understand your message correctly, you are only going to offer one
version of the DIY kit. Is that correct?

Please consider to offer both versions. The only differences would be the
label and how much hardware you stuff in the box, so it shouldn't be a huge
additional R&D expense or anything. If you are only going to offer one
version, please let it be the one with two bus boards - it would be a pity
with all those spare DIY-PSU2's lying around in the workshops of people with
bigger DIY-cases.

Merry Christmas,

Silas Johansen

On 12/20/06, hardware@doepfer.de <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:

P.S. Early next year we will offer a so-called "A-100 DIY kit". It will
probably include these parts:

>
> DIY power supply (same specs as PSU2 but with an external transformer for
> safety reasons, no access to dangerous voltage for the DIY customer)
> 1 or 2 bus boards
> 2 or 4 angled rails 84HP with M3 threads
> cables to connect the bus boards to the power supply
> assembly instructions (example a for a wooden case with all dimensions for
> the additonally required wooden boards you have to purchase e.g. in your
> local hardware store), boring template for drilling the holes for the
> power
> supply and the bus boards
>
> The estimated price will be in the Euro 100 range (with 1 bus board and 2
> rails) or Euro 130 range (with 2 bus boards and 2 rails). Details,
> pictures,
> prices and delivery dates coming soon.
>
>


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Hi Michael

> Could anyone tell me what kind of screws (and possible additional
> parts) I need for installing the Proma-rails in a wooden case? The
> local Proma-dealer just told me, that I need to get them in a
> DIY-store, but not what kind of screws and other parts I need...
You need screws of a type, which is called in German "Spax" (didn't find 
a translation). A picture is like
http://www.multiarchive.de/assets/images/SpaxSchraube.jpg
I think, 25mm x 2,0 mm should be the right dimension

You have to drill 2.8 mm holes in the rails, which are located far 
enough from the front bar, but leave at least 1 mm front the rear (or 
call it inner) border of the rail.
If you want to be perfect you can drill a 6mm wide, 0.8mm deep conic 
section for the head of the screw (in German the tool is called 
"Kegelschnittbohrer")

Florian

I think it's simply called a wood screw in English.

On 12/20/06, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:
>
>
> You need screws of a type, which is called in German "Spax" (didn't find
> a translation). A picture is like
> http://www.multiarchive.de/assets/images/SpaxSchraube.jpg
> I think, 25mm x 2,0 mm should be the right dimension
>
>
>


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Hi Silas

> I think it's simply called a wood screw in English.
A wood screw has a slightly conic shaft, with no windings on the upper end.
http://www.preisvergleich.org/pimages/100ER-SENK-HOLZSCHRAUBE-DIN-97-3-X-10BR_39__827707_40.jpg

A spax has a straigh shaft. Wood screws are used for fixing two parts of 
wood to each other. A spax is intended to be used to fix something other 
on a particle board (or is it called "pressboard")

Floria

Hi Florian,

Thank you for explaining that, it will be useful knowledge once I set out to
make my own DIY cabinet.

Merry Christmas,
Silas

On 12/20/06, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@consol.de> wrote:
>
>   Hi Silas
>
> > I think it's simply called a wood screw in English.
> A wood screw has a slightly conic shaft, with no windings on the upper
> end.
>
> http://www.preisvergleich.org/pimages/100ER-SENK-HOLZSCHRAUBE-DIN-97-3-X-10BR_39__827707_40.jpg
>
> A spax has a straigh shaft. Wood screws are used for fixing two parts of
> wood to each other. A spax is intended to be used to fix something other
> on a particle board (or is it called "pressboard")
>
> Floria
>
>


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> Dieter,
>
> If I understand your message correctly, you are only going to offer one
> version of the DIY kit. Is that correct?

No. Both versions are planned. But maybe we will simply offer the DIY power
supply as a separate product and the customer can add one, two or three bus
boards and the threaded rails.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Hi all,

What's the longest cycle possible on the A-143 for
each section when set to LFO mode?

Thanks,
neil

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> 
> What's the longest cycle possible on the A-143 for
> each section when set to LFO mode?
> 
> Thanks,
> neil
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a little over 8 seconds, so something like 0.125 Hz ( i recorded white noise through a VCA being controlled by the first section of an a-143-1 set to LFO mode with both time constants at their max value, then selected one peak-to-peak cycle in the sample editor of logic pro.....this showed 8.2 seconds).

cheers,
denis


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Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] A-143 as LFO

> 
> anybody?
> 
> 
> --- neil jendon <n2eil@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > What's the longest cycle possible on the A-143 for
> > each section when set to LFO mode?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > neil
> > 
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