Doepfer

Hello, Im a new comer to the world of modular synths, and i am really interested in creating 
my own drum machine from doepfer modules - I have looked around and around for help on 
this, but to no joy. There was a post on here from 2 yeas ago, but the guy actually bought 
Drum modules from Analogue solutions.

Im more interested in creating my own drum sounds from scratch and be able to have the 
flexibility to tweak..

So my question is - what would be he most basic modules i could get away with buying to 
make my own electro drum sounds ? Or is that a neverending question?

Thanks.

For tweaking, nothing beats a modular :)

Have a look at http://www.modular-planet.de/modular-planet-survey.html -
there are some drum patches to listen to and look at for inspiration. In
addition to the modules you'll see there you may want to get an A-155
sequencer for easy control, the A-160/161 combo is also good and you'll need
an LFO to drive them. Also, a couple of multiples is a good investment, as
is the A-162 trigger delay as it can add "swing" to your drum patterns and
shorten or lengthen triggers where needed.

Happy patching,
Silas

On 8/22/07, chrismousdale <chris@mousdale.com> wrote:
>
>   Hello, Im a new comer to the world of modular synths, and i am really
> interested in creating
> my own drum machine from doepfer modules - I have looked around and around
> for help on
> this, but to no joy. There was a post on here from 2 yeas ago, but the guy
> actually bought
> Drum modules from Analogue solutions.
>
> Im more interested in creating my own drum sounds from scratch and be able
> to have the
> flexibility to tweak..
>
> So my question is - what would be he most basic modules i could get away
> with buying to
> make my own electro drum sounds ? Or is that a neverending question?
>
> Thanks.
>
>  
>


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Ahah.. what a great site.. thank you very much.. just what i needed!


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Silas Johansen" <sijodk@...> wrote:

>
> For tweaking, nothing beats a modular :)
> 
> Have a look at http://www.modular-planet.de/modular-planet-survey.html -
> there are some drum patches to listen to and look at for inspiration. In
> addition to the modules you'll see there you may want to get an A-155
> sequencer for easy control, the A-160/161 combo is also good and you'll need
> an LFO to drive them. Also, a couple of multiples is a good investment, as
> is the A-162 trigger delay as it can add "swing" to your drum patterns and
> shorten or lengthen triggers where needed.
> 
> Happy patching,
> Silas
> 
> On 8/22/07, chrismousdale <chris@...> wrote:
> >
> >   Hello, Im a new comer to the world of modular synths, and i am really
> > interested in creating
> > my own drum machine from doepfer modules - I have looked around and around
> > for help on
> > this, but to no joy. There was a post on here from 2 yeas ago, but the guy
> > actually bought
> > Drum modules from Analogue solutions.
> >
> > Im more interested in creating my own drum sounds from scratch and be able
> > to have the
> > flexibility to tweak..
> >
> > So my question is - what would be he most basic modules i could get away
> > with buying to
> > make my own electro drum sounds ? Or is that a neverending question?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> is the A-162 trigger delay as it can add "swing" to your drum
patterns and
> shorten or lengthen triggers where needed.
> 

would it not be better to use a saw wave from the lfo putting out, for
example, 8ths, going into a comparator which then produces the even
numbered 16ths (triggers) ? just set the comparator to output a
trigger at about the half-way amplitude of the decreasing saw slope,
and then adjust to your shuffly tastes. this has a major advantage in
keeping the shuffle feel constant whie you adjust tempo - a trigger
delay would have to be adjusted along with the tempo. i'm not sure
that adjusting trigger lengths is much use with drum sounds that are
going to need envelopes anyway.

cheers

stu

I guess the bare minimum to make bread & butter drum sounds would be 1 
VCO, 1 noise generator, 1 ADSR, 1 logarithmic mixer and 1 VCA

Jilt van Moorst
www.robotfunk.com

chrismousdale wrote:

> Hello, Im a new comer to the world of modular synths, and i am really interested in creating 
> my own drum machine from doepfer modules - I have looked around and around for help on 
> this, but to no joy. There was a post on here from 2 yeas ago, but the guy actually bought 
> Drum modules from Analogue solutions.
>
> Im more interested in creating my own drum sounds from scratch and be able to have the 
> flexibility to tweak..
>
> So my question is - what would be he most basic modules i could get away with buying to 
> make my own electro drum sounds ? Or is that a neverending question?
>
> Thanks.
>

Instead of a VCO use a filter that can self oscillate, much better for
most drum sounds IMO
 
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I guess the bare minimum to make bread & butter drum sounds would be 1 
VCO, 1 noise generator, 1 ADSR, 1 logarithmic mixer and 1 VCA

Jilt van Moorst
www.robotfunk.com

chrismousdale wrote:
> Hello, Im a new comer to the world of modular synths, and i am really
interested in creating 
> my own drum machine from doepfer modules - I have looked around and
around for help on 
> this, but to no joy. There was a post on here from 2 yeas ago, but the
guy actually bought 
> Drum modules from Analogue solutions.
>
> Im more interested in creating my own drum sounds from scratch and be
able to have the 
> flexibility to tweak..
>
> So my question is - what would be he most basic modules i could get
away with buying to 
> make my own electro drum sounds ? Or is that a neverending question?
>
> Thanks.
> 



 


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hello

i just updated my system with a lot of modules - while working with these modules i noticed that i often have problems turning the knobs,
because they are 
1. hard to turn and 
2. very narrow together

so i'm thinking about exchanging the knobs by other ones (for instances those smaller ones used by cwejman)

is that technically possible and what do u think about building in the future modules with those kind of knobs


regards
tino

>
>  > is the A-162 trigger delay as it can add "swing" to your drum
>  patterns and
>  > shorten or lengthen triggers where needed.
>  >
>
>  would it not be better to use a saw wave from the lfo putting out, for
>  example, 8ths, going into a comparator which then produces the even
>  numbered 16ths (triggers) ? just set the comparator to output a
>  trigger at about the half-way amplitude of the decreasing saw slope,
>  and then adjust to your shuffly tastes.

I like the idea - I just don't have a comparator so I haven't toyed
with it. I still like the trigger delay for making short (5-15ms)
triggers for clicks, though.

i don't know the slimmer knobs, but i agree that the doepfer pots
could be easier to turn. obviously, it's nice to have a certain amount
of resistance when you're turning, if only for the more solid "feel",
but i find quick tweaks on stage very difficult. and a one-fingered
tweak without the thumb (or only the thumb) is not possible.

smaller knobs, while increasing space, would make turning more difficult. 

i suppose it's a matter of priorities - the stiffness of the pots is
never an issue when i'm setting up that killer patch at home :)

stu


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
>
> hello
> 
> i just updated my system with a lot of modules - while working with
these modules i noticed that i often have problems turning the knobs,
> because they are 
> 1. hard to turn and 
> 2. very narrow together
> 
> so i'm thinking about exchanging the knobs by other ones (for
instances those smaller ones used by cwejman)
> 
> is that technically possible and what do u think about building in
the future modules with those kind of knobs

> 
> 
> regards
> tino
>

> hello
>
> i just updated my system with a lot of modules - while working
> with these modules i noticed that i often have problems turning the knobs,
> because they are
> 1. hard to turn and
> 2. very narrow together
>
> so i'm thinking about exchanging the knobs by other ones (for
> instances those smaller ones used by cwejman)
>
> is that technically possible and what do u think about building
> in the future modules with those kind of knobs

We (at Doepfer) will not change the knobs as the appearance of the modules
has to be maintained from my point of view. The A-100 is on the market since
more then ten years and I believe that customers who already own an A-100
will not be happy if we change the appearance. But it's up to each user to
replace the knobs by other types. All knobs with 6 mm splined shaft type (18
"teeth") are suitable.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Great, thanks for all the help guys..

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Jilt van Moorst <jilt@...> wrote:
>
> I guess the bare minimum to make bread & butter drum sounds would be 1 
> VCO, 1 noise generator, 1 ADSR, 1 logarithmic mixer and 1 VCA
> 
> Jilt van Moorst
> www.robotfunk.com
> 
> chrismousdale wrote:
> > Hello, Im a new comer to the world of modular synths, and i am really interested in 
creating 
> > my own drum machine from doepfer modules - I have looked around and around for 
help on 
> > this, but to no joy. There was a post on here from 2 yeas ago, but the guy actually 
bought 
> > Drum modules from Analogue solutions.
> >
> > Im more interested in creating my own drum sounds from scratch and be able to have 
the 
> > flexibility to tweak..
> >
> > So my question is - what would be he most basic modules i could get away with 
buying to 

> > make my own electro drum sounds ? Or is that a neverending question?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>

>We (at Doepfer) will not change the knobs as the appearance of the modules
>has to be maintained from my point of view.

Thank you for taking the loyal customers into consideration. It is nice to 
be able to maintain the look of a system.

Knobs are very easy to change anyhow...

The Rean Soft touch series (as used on the Plan B and Blacet modules) are 
very inexpensive ($0.49 each quantity of 1 at Mouser.com) and may be a cool 
change for some Doepfer users. These will fit perfectly.

For those with money to burn try the Davies 1900H (as used on the Serge 
panels). It uses the set screw method and so it to will work on the Doepfer 
modules. At $1.71 each (quantity of 1) they will burn through your modular 
budget, but they look GREAT.


TR

>From: <hardware@doepfer.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Other Knobs possible?
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:52:11 +0200
>
> > hello
> >
> > i just updated my system with a lot of modules - while working
> > with these modules i noticed that i often have problems turning the 
>knobs,
> > because they are
> > 1. hard to turn and
> > 2. very narrow together
> >
> > so i'm thinking about exchanging the knobs by other ones (for
> > instances those smaller ones used by cwejman)
> >
> > is that technically possible and what do u think about building
> > in the future modules with those kind of knobs
>
>We (at Doepfer) will not change the knobs as the appearance of the modules
>has to be maintained from my point of view. The A-100 is on the market 
>since
>more then ten years and I believe that customers who already own an A-100
>will not be happy if we change the appearance. But it's up to each user to
>replace the knobs by other types. All knobs with 6 mm splined shaft type 
>(18
>"teeth") are suitable.
>
>Best wishes
>Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
>
> found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs

The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.

Sorry, havn't read the package insert since I know from experience
that the knobs coming with my B kits won't fit on the pots used by D.
However, YMMV.


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:

>
> the description says: splined shaft - that means Zahnwelle (like
> doepfer)
> >      
> >    
> >   
> >    
> >   
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs
> >  
> >  The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
> >  unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.
> >  
> >  
> >   
> >       
> >
>

found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs

http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?kw=Re-An%20soft%20touch&tier1=Tools%2c+Fasteners+%26+Production+Equipment&tier2=Fasteners+%26+Fixings&tier3=Knobs&tier4=16mm+soft+touch+knob&moduleno=64710

>
>We (at Doepfer) will not change the knobs as the appearance of the modules
>has to be maintained from my point of view.

Thank you for taking the loyal customers into consideration. It is nice to 
be able to maintain the look of a system.

Knobs are very easy to change anyhow...

The Rean Soft touch series (as used on the Plan B and Blacet modules) are 
very inexpensive ($0.49 each quantity of 1 at Mouser.com) and may be a cool 
change for some Doepfer users. These will fit perfectly.

For those with money to burn try the Davies 1900H (as used on the Serge 
panels). It uses the set screw method and so it to will work on the Doepfer 
modules. At $1.71 each (quantity of 1) they will burn through your modular 
budget, but they look GREAT.

TR

>From: <hardware@doepfer.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Other Knobs possible?
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:52:11 +0200
>
> > hello
> >
> > i just updated my system with a lot of modules - while working
> > with these modules i noticed that i often have problems turning the 
>knobs,
> > because they are
> > 1. hard to turn and
> > 2. very narrow together
> >
> > so i'm thinking about exchanging the knobs by other ones (for
> > instances those smaller ones used by cwejman)
> >
> > is that technically possible and what do u think about building
> > in the future modules with those kind of knobs
>
>We (at Doepfer) will not change the knobs as the appearance of the modules
>has to be maintained from my point of view. The A-100 is on the market 
>since
>more then ten years and I believe that customers who already own an A-100
>will not be happy if we change the appearance. But it's up to each user to
>replace the knobs by other types. All knobs with 6 mm splined shaft type 
>(18
>"teeth") are suitable.
>
>Best wishes
>Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
verstaerker
mailto:verstaerker@verstaerker-music.net

the description says: splined shaft - that means Zahnwelle (like
doepfer)

>      
>    
>   
>    
>   
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
 >>
 >> found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs
>  
>  The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
>  unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.
>  
>  
>   
>       
>

The Rean Soft touch is available in BOTH D shaft and 18 tooth 6mm. Look in 
the catalogue from Rapid or Mouser.

TR


>From: "ilanode" <techmeier@web.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Other Knobs possible?
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:05:48 -0000
>
>--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
> >
> > found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs
>
>The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
>unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Here is a  for ar Soft touch knob as used on Plan B, meaning SPLINED 18 
tooth 6mm.

In UK:
http://www.rapidonline.com/productinfo.aspx?kw=Rean%20soft%20touch&tier1=Tools%2c+Fasteners+%26+Production+Equipment&tier2=Fasteners+%26+Fixings&tier3=Knobs&tier4=16mm+soft+touch+knob&moduleno=64710


In US:
http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=P670S-06-S6virtualkey55000000virtualkey550-67004

TR


>From: "ilanode" <techmeier@web.de>
>Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Other Knobs possible?
>Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:29:08 -0000
>
>Sorry, havn't read the package insert since I know from experience
>that the knobs coming with my B kits won't fit on the pots used by D.
>However, YMMV.
>
>
>--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
> >
> > the description says: splined shaft - that means Zahnwelle (like
> > doepfer)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@> wrote:
> >  >>
> >  >> found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs
> > >
> > >  The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
> > >  unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

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Thanks for sorting out!

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Rolando"
<goldenechos@...> wrote:
>
> The Rean Soft touch is available in BOTH D shaft and 18 tooth 6mm.
Look in 

> the catalogue from Rapid or Mouser.
> 
> TR
> 
> 
> >From: "ilanode" <techmeier@...>
> >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Other Knobs possible?
> >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:05:48 -0000
> >
> >--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@> wrote:
> > >
> > > found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs
> >
> >The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
> >unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! 
> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us
>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45395793@N00/376766455/
i use the plan b type knobs on my doepfer

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "ilanode" <techmeier@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sorting out!
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony Rolando"
> <goldenechos@> wrote:
> >
> > The Rean Soft touch is available in BOTH D shaft and 18 tooth 6mm.
> Look in 
> > the catalogue from Rapid or Mouser.
> > 
> > TR
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "ilanode" <techmeier@>
> > >Reply-To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Other Knobs possible?
> > >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 16:05:48 -0000
> > >
> > >--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, verstaerker <verstaerker@>
wrote:

> > > >
> > > > found a good cheap source for Blacet-Style Knobs
> > >
> > >The D-shaft knobs Blacet uses won't fit on the pots used by Doepfer
> > >unless you're willing to rasp off what makes them D-shaft knobs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! 
> > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us
> >
>

Hi group,

Thanks to verstaerker for finding a cheap source for the Re-An soft
knobs... I just got them today and put them on my modular. 
Thought ye might like to see...

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/Ken_Harte/ModularRe-AnSoft.jpg

I got coloured knobs... I like colours :)

Feels better, looks better and the knobs are only 10p each. Postage
from the UK is quite pricey though even to Ireland.

That<s cool!!!
I went through a similar cosmetic make over with mty modular recently 
it does indeed feel better... and your modular looks somehow meaner 
hahahah
some pictures uploaded on Plan B yahoo group
http://launch.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PLAN_B_analog_blog/photos/brows
e/fb21

cheerz

g.


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <kenneth_harte@...> wrote:

>
> Hi group,
> 
> Thanks to verstaerker for finding a cheap source for the Re-An soft
> knobs... I just got them today and put them on my modular. 
> Thought ye might like to see...
> 
> http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h307/Ken_Harte/ModularRe-AnSoft.jpg
> 
> I got coloured knobs... I like colours :)
> 
> Feels better, looks better and the knobs are only 10p each. Postage
> from the UK is quite pricey though even to Ireland.
>