A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-09-11 by dingfutzer
Dieter: What is status of 188-9? Any more specifics on what VC inputs will be available? Rough speculation for delivery time? Thanks, Bill
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A188-9 AD/DA Module
AW: [Doepfer_a100] A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-09-12 by hardware@doepfer.de
> Dieter: What is status of 188-9? Any more specifics on what VC inputs > will be available? Rough speculation for delivery time? Thanks, Bill Since my message from July 10, 2007 nothing has changed: "We had already prototypes at NAMM and Musikmesse Frankfurt (with delay and bit cruncher function). But we are not yet satisfied with the features. Especially the clock rate (that affects the audio bandwidth) is not sufficient so far from our point of view. We are about to redesign the module with a new microcontroller that allows a higher clock rate." During the last weeks our focus has been on the new modules announced for fall 2007 (Crossfader/FX Insert A-138d, Manual Gate A-164-1, Switched Multiples A-182, Precision Adder/Bus Access A-185-2, Gate/Trigger Combiner A-186, XP VCF A-106-6, Filter/Mixer/Panner subsystem A-135-2). But we are about to try another solution for a voltage controlled audio delay (not BBD based) different from the planned universal AD/DA module. If the results are positive it will feature only voltage controlled audio delay (i.e. no "calculations" like bit cruncher, wave shaper). All calculating functions will be possible only with the universal AD/DA module for which we have to find a faster microcontroller or DSP. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
Re: [Doepfer_a100] A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-09-12 by Eyesaw
Thanks Dieter, Bill
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> Dieter: What is status of 188-9? Any more specifics on what VC inputs
> will be available? Rough speculation for delivery time? Thanks, Bill
Since my message from July 10, 2007 nothing has changed:
"We had already prototypes at NAMM and Musikmesse Frankfurt (with delay and
bit cruncher function). But we are not yet satisfied with the features.
Especially the clock rate (that affects the audio bandwidth) is not
sufficient so far from our point of view. We are about to redesign the
module with a new microcontroller that allows a higher clock rate."
During the last weeks our focus has been on the new modules announced for
fall 2007 (Crossfader/FX Insert A-138d, Manual Gate A-164-1, Switched
Multiples A-182, Precision Adder/Bus Access A-185-2, Gate/Trigger Combiner
A-186, XP VCF A-106-6, Filter/Mixer/Panner subsystem A-135-2).
But we are about to try another solution for a voltage controlled audio
delay (not BBD based) different from the planned universal AD/DA module. If
the results are positive it will feature only voltage controlled audio delay
(i.e. no "calculations" like bit cruncher, wave shaper). All calculating
functions will be possible only with the universal AD/DA module for which we
have to find a faster microcontroller or DSP.
Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-14 by jalmari3
Will this module have microtuning capabilities? Like freely programmable quantization... Best regards Jari Jokinen
AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-15 by hardware@doepfer.de
> Will this module have microtuning capabilities? Like freely > programmable quantization... > > Best regards > Jari Jokinen Maybe. This module is still in the design state (though we already showed the prototype during some fairs). In principle with the hardware microtuning can be realised but the main problem will be the operation. It's nearly impossible to implement all functions (e.g. analog delay, CV delay, bit cruncher, digital sequencer, Hz/V <-> V/Oct converter, waveshaper/multiplier, microtuning) into one module with the same controls. To speak the truth: currently we don't know how we should continue. Probably the module will be divided into several different modules with the same core (AD/microcontroller+memory/DA) but different front panels and controls. Best wishes Dieter Doepfer
RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-15 by Tim J
Well, what was cool about the module was the fact that it was going to be one module that would do various functions. Dieter, maybe all you need to do is make the front panel a bit bigger and add a couple more controls. Maybe your second option would be to make 'brain' modules with the AD/microcontroller+memory/DA and 'faceplate function' modules with pots and jacks specific to a certain modules' functions. There would be no real electronics with these modules just jacks and pots. Maybe we should make a poll.... ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> From: hardware@doepfer.de> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:15:41 +0200> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>>> Will this module have microtuning capabilities? Like freely>> programmable quantization...>>>> Best regards>> Jari Jokinen> Maybe. This module is still in the design state (though we already showed> the prototype during some fairs). In principle with the hardware microtuning> can be realised but the main problem will be the operation. It's nearly> impossible to implement all functions (e.g. analog delay, CV delay, bit> cruncher, digital sequencer, Hz/V <-> V/Oct converter,> waveshaper/multiplier, microtuning) into one module with the same controls.> To speak the truth: currently we don't know how we should continue. Probably> the module will be divided into several different modules with the same core> (AD/microcontroller+memory/DA) but different front panels and controls.> Best wishes> Dieter Doepfer> _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us
RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-15 by David Salter
I think that although this is a nice idea each function would need to load it's own program to instruct the module of it function. As well as a variety of sockets and controls I suppose that you could have a number of switches which boot a different function on the front panel. That would make the module more versatile. David Salter Senior Consultant PSG Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 Get the latest news at Reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/> ________________________________
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim J Sent: 15 October 2007 15:06 To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com; hardware@doepfer.de Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module Well, what was cool about the module was the fact that it was going to be one module that would do various functions. Dieter, maybe all you need to do is make the front panel a bit bigger and add a couple more controls. Maybe your second option would be to make 'brain' modules with the AD/microcontroller+memory/DA and 'faceplate function' modules with pots and jacks specific to a certain modules' functions. There would be no real electronics with these modules just jacks and pots. Maybe we should make a poll.... ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > From: hardware@doepfer.de <mailto:hardware%40doepfer.de> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:15:41 +0200> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>>> Will this module have microtuning capabilities? Like freely>> programmable quantization...>>>> Best regards>> Jari Jokinen> Maybe. This module is still in the design state (though we already showed> the prototype during some fairs). In principle with the hardware microtuning> can be realised but the main problem will be the operation. It's nearly> impossible to implement all functions (e.g. analog delay, CV delay, bit> cruncher, digital sequencer, Hz/V <-> V/Oct converter,> waveshaper/multiplier, microtuning) into one module with the same controls.> To speak the truth: currently we d on't know how we should continue. Probably> the module will be divided into several different modules with the same core> (AD/microcontroller+memory/DA) but different front panels and controls.> Best wishes> Dieter Doepfer> __________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us <http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us> This email was sent to you by Reuters, the global news and information company. To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Limited. Reuters Limited is part of the Reuters Group of companies, of which Reuters Group PLC is the ultimate parent company. Reuters Group PLC - Registered office address: The Reuters Building, South Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London E14 5EP, United Kingdom Registered No: 3296375 Registered in England and Wales [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-15 by Tim J
Have you seen the prototype? ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> From: david.salter@reuters.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:10:43 +0100> Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>> I think that although this is a nice idea each function would need to> load it's own program to instruct the module of it function.> As well as a variety of sockets and controls I suppose that you could> have a number of switches which boot a different function on the front> panel.> That would make the module more versatile.> David Salter> Senior Consultant> PSG> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net> (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699> Get the latest news at Reuters.com> ________________________________> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Tim J> Sent: 15 October 2007 15:06> To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com; hardware@doepfer.de> Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module> Well, what was cool about the module was the fact that it was going to> be one module that would do various functions.> Dieter, maybe all you need to do is make the front panel a bit bigger> and add a couple more controls.> Maybe your second option would be to make 'brain' modules with the> AD/microcontroller+memory/DA and 'faceplate function' modules with pots> and jacks specific to a certain modules' functions. There would be no> real electronics with these modules just jacks and pots.> Maybe we should make a poll....> ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> From: hardware@doepfer.de>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:15:41 +0200>> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>>> Will this module> have microtuning capabilities? Like freely>> programmable> quantization...>>>> Best regards>> Jari Jokinen> Maybe. This module is> still in the design state (though we already showed> the prototype> during some fairs). In principle with the hardware microtuning> can be> realised but the main problem will be the operation. It's nearly>> impossible to implement all functions (e.g. analog delay, CV delay, bit>> cruncher, digital sequencer, Hz/V <-> V/Oct converter,>> waveshaper/multiplier, microtuning) into one module with the same> controls.> To speak the truth: currently we d on't know how we should> continue. Probably> the module will be divided into several different> modules with the same core> (AD/microcontroller+memory/DA) but different> front panels and controls.> Best wishes> Dieter Doepfer>> __________________________________________________________> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You!> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us>> This email was sent to you by Reuters, the global news and information company.> To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender,> except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Limited.> Reuters Limited is part of the Reuters Group of companies, of which Reuters Group PLC is the ultimate parent company.> Reuters Group PLC - Registered office address: The Reuters Building, South Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London E14 5EP, United Kingdom> Registered No: 3296375> Registered in England and Wales> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-15 by Tim J
Basically what I was requesting was that the prototype be released as it is with fewer i/o or the i/o it already has to do basic functions. Extra faceplate control modules could then be sold with the specific extra i/o and controls. ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> From: david.salter@reuters.com> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:10:43 +0100> Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>> I think that although this is a nice idea each function would need to> load it's own program to instruct the module of it function.> As well as a variety of sockets and controls I suppose that you could> have a number of switches which boot a different function on the front> panel.> That would make the module more versatile.> David Salter> Senior Consultant> PSG> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net> (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699> Get the latest news at Reuters.com> ________________________________> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Tim J> Sent: 15 October 2007 15:06> To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com; hardware@doepfer.de> Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module> Well, what was cool about the module was the fact that it was going to> be one module that would do various functions.> Dieter, maybe all you need to do is make the front panel a bit bigger> and add a couple more controls.> Maybe your second option would be to make 'brain' modules with the> AD/microcontroller+memory/DA and 'faceplate function' modules with pots> and jacks specific to a certain modules' functions. There would be no> real electronics with these modules just jacks and pots.> Maybe we should make a poll....> ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> From: hardware@doepfer.de>> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:15:41 +0200>> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>>> Will this module> have microtuning capabilities? Like freely>> programmable> quantization...>>>> Best regards>> Jari Jokinen> Maybe. This module is> still in the design state (though we already showed> the prototype> during some fairs). In principle with the hardware microtuning> can be> realised but the main problem will be the operation. It's nearly>> impossible to implement all functions (e.g. analog delay, CV delay, bit>> cruncher, digital sequencer, Hz/V <-> V/Oct converter,>> waveshaper/multiplier, microtuning) into one module with the same> controls.> To speak the truth: currently we d on't know how we should> continue. Probably> the module will be divided into several different> modules with the same core> (AD/microcontroller+memory/DA) but different> front panels and controls.> Best wishes> Dieter Doepfer>> __________________________________________________________> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You!> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us>> This email was sent to you by Reuters, the global news and information company.> To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender,> except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Limited.> Reuters Limited is part of the Reuters Group of companies, of which Reuters Group PLC is the ultimate parent company.> Reuters Group PLC - Registered office address: The Reuters Building, South Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London E14 5EP, United Kingdom> Registered No: 3296375> Registered in England and Wales> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook – together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033
RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module
2007-10-15 by David Salter
Hi Tim, I confess I haven't looked in a while. Having just dialled it up I see what you mean. david David Salter Senior Consultant PSG Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699 Get the latest news at Reuters.com <http://www.reuters.com/> ________________________________
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim J Sent: 15 October 2007 15:17 To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module Have you seen the prototype? ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > From: david.salter@reuters.com <mailto:david.salter%40reuters.com> > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:10:43 +0100> Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>> I think that although this is a nice idea each function would need to> load it's own program to instruct the module of it function.> As well as a variety of sockets and controls I suppose that you could> have a number of switches which boot a different function on the front> panel.> That would make the module more versatile.> David Salter> Senior Consultant> PSG> Reuters Messaging: david.salter.reuters.com@reuters.net <mailto:david.salter.reuters.com%40reuters.net> > (t) +44 (0)20 7542 2402 | (m) 07990562402 | (f) 52699> Get the latest news at Reuters.com> ________________________________> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ]> On Behalf Of Tim J> Sent: 15 October 2007 15:06> To: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ; hardware@doepfer.de <mailto:hardware%40doepfer.de> > Subject: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module> Well, what was cool about the module was the fact that it was going to> be one module that would do various functions.> Dieter, maybe all you need to do is make the front panel a bit bigger> and add a couple more controls.> Maybe your second option would be to make 'brain' modules with the> AD/microcontroller+memory/DA and 'faceplate function' modules with pots> and jacks specific to a certain modules' functions. There would be no> real electronics with these modules just jacks and pots.> Maybe we should make a poll....> ________________________________> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> >> From: hardware@doepfer.de <mailto:hardware%40doepfer.de> >> Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:15:41 +0200>> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] Re: A188-9 AD/DA Module>>> Will this module> have microtuning capabilities? Like freely>> programmable> quantization...>>>> Best regards>> Jari Jokinen> Maybe. This module is> still in the design state (though we already showed> the prototype> during some fairs). In principle with the hardware microtuning> can be> realised but the main problem will be the operation. It's nearly>> impossible to implement all functions (e.g. analog delay, CV delay, bit>> cruncher, digital sequencer, Hz/V <-> V/Oct converter,>> waveshaper/multiplier, microtuning) into one module with the same> controls.> To speak the truth: currently we d on't know how we should> continue. Probably> the module will be divided into several different> modules with the same core> (AD/microcontroller+memory/DA) but different> front panels and controls.> Best wishes> Dieter Doepfer>> __________________________________________________________> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You!> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us <http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us> >> This email was sent to you by Reuters, the global news and information company.> To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender,> except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Limited.> Reuters Limited is part of the Reuters Group of companies, of which Reuters Group PLC is the ultimate parent company.> Reuters Group PLC - Registered office address: The Reuters Building, South Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London E14 5EP, United Kingdom> Registered No: 3296375> Registered in England and Wales> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> __________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline <http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline> This email was sent to you by Reuters, the global news and information company. To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Limited. Reuters Limited is part of the Reuters Group of companies, of which Reuters Group PLC is the ultimate parent company. Reuters Group PLC - Registered office address: The Reuters Building, South Colonnade, Canary Wharf, London E14 5EP, United Kingdom Registered No: 3296375 Registered in England and Wales [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]