Doepfer

Anybody out there have cool uses for
the A-136 Distortion/Waveshaper?
Mine hasn't seen much use lately.
Soy Sos

Hi

> Anybody out there have cool uses for
> the A-136 Distortion/Waveshaper?
> Mine hasn't seen much use lately.
Yes, I use it meanwhile per default after the A120 filter (to be exact: 
after my MS-404). I don't use it as real waveshaper, but as addition of 
some "dirt".

Florian

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "djsoysos" <djsoysos@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody out there have cool uses for
> the A-136 Distortion/Waveshaper?
> Mine hasn't seen much use lately.
> Soy Sos
>

the most important thing is not to use unattenuated
waveforms from a vco. i found it most appealing
to use lowpass-filtered signals with much lower
output level than the direct vco waveforms,
lets say around 50 % of the usual vco output level.
same applies to external signals. it is not necessary
to use simple waveforms only, the input signal for the
a136 can also be quite complex. the key is to
scale the a136 input correctly. since the a136
has no input attenuator you have to use another
module for that task, like a vca, mixer of vcf.
i also got interesting results when inserting
the a136 in the feedback loop of a vcf.

best wishes

ingo

I agree, attenuation really gives you more room to play with shape... the same can be said for the WVX serge waveshaper from Bananalogue. 

Tony

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> From: synaptic_music@yahoo.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:21:54 +0000
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Thoughts on the A-136 Distortion/Waveshaper?
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "djsoysos" <djsoysos@...> wrote:
> >
> > Anybody out there have cool uses for
> > the A-136 Distortion/Waveshaper?
> > Mine hasn't seen much use lately.
> > Soy Sos
> >
> 
> the most important thing is not to use unattenuated
> waveforms from a vco. i found it most appealing
> to use lowpass-filtered signals with much lower
> output level than the direct vco waveforms,
> lets say around 50 % of the usual vco output level.
> same applies to external signals. it is not necessary
> to use simple waveforms only, the input signal for the
> a136 can also be quite complex. the key is to
> scale the a136 input correctly. since the a136
> has no input attenuator you have to use another
> module for that task, like a vca, mixer of vcf.
> i also got interesting results when inserting
> the a136 in the feedback loop of a vcf.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> ingo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

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Hi Ingo

> the most important thing is not to use unattenuated
> waveforms from a vco. 
and the second most important thing (for most waveshapers):
Its usually not interesting to modify timebased (=LFO/Env) the 
waveshaper itself, but to use a signal that comes already with 
modifications. Example:

Do NOT use this:
          Env------+
           |       |
VCO->Waveshaper->VCA

Simply use instead:
      Env
       |
VCO->VCA->Waveshaper

third most important rule:
For waveshapers use dark sounds, bright sounds do not win that much buy 
a waveshaper.
Classic is either a triangle VCO through a VCA or a "dark" lowpassfilter 
with very high resonance

      Env
       |
VCO->VCF->Waveshaper->VCA

or

      Env
       |
VCO->VCF->VCA->Waveshaper


best regards, Florian

Thanks to all for the helpful advice.
I have some more screwing around to do
with that module. I never seemed to get
anything very interesting using LFO's
or envelopes on the the two VC ins.
I do a lot or processing of external audio
and got bored pretty quickly with the
"distortion" aspect of the thing.
Soy Sos

Can this filter do a good TB-303 emulation ---any others out there

thanks in advance
David

Yes, definitely, a VCA before a waveshaper is very good way to get animated waveforms. All good suggestion here... I think alot people are using waveshapers where they would put a vcf, but it is much more affective after a vca OR a lo-pass gate :)

Tony

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> From: Florian.Anwander@consol.de
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:10:51 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Thoughts on the A-136 Distortion/Waveshaper?
> 
> Hi Ingo
> 
> > the most important thing is not to use unattenuated
> > waveforms from a vco. 
> and the second most important thing (for most waveshapers):
> Its usually not interesting to modify timebased (=LFO/Env) the 
> waveshaper itself, but to use a signal that comes already with 
> modifications. Example:
> 
> Do NOT use this:
>           Env------+
>            |       |
> VCO->Waveshaper->VCA
> 
> Simply use instead:
>       Env
>        |
> VCO->VCA->Waveshaper
> 
> third most important rule:
> For waveshapers use dark sounds, bright sounds do not win that much buy 
> a waveshaper.
> Classic is either a triangle VCO through a VCA or a "dark" lowpassfilter 
> with very high resonance
> 
>       Env
>        |
> VCO->VCF->Waveshaper->VCA
> 
> or
> 
>       Env
>        |
> VCO->VCF->VCA->Waveshaper
> 
> 
> best regards, Florian
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

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please email me direct if you have any of these for sale at used price

d2ba@xtra.co.nz

thanks Dave

Some good tips from everyone, I've also got a little bored of the A136 
so thanks for the ideas.

Thanks all. New life from this module!
I'm using it now on a track. This forum
is a fantastic resource. Too bad I don't have
some of you in my town to swap ideas in
person.
H/Sos

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, David Bulog <d2ba@...> wrote:
>
> Can this filter do a good TB-303 emulation ---any others out there
> 
> thanks in advance
> David
>

hello david,

if you are looking for something that is similar to
a tb303 filter, then the a103 is a nice choice, but 
a 303-style filter alone won't give you the real 303 sound.
it's the whole concept that makes a 303 sound like a 303.
i always find that the 303 sequencer and especially the
slide circuit are even more responsible for the 303
sound than the filter.

best wishes

ingo

Thanks ingo
I was hoping that the A-103 would give a real TB-303 sound without  
the slide and sequencer of course :)

cheers Dave






On 9/12/2007, at 9:04 AM, selfoscillate wrote:

> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, David Bulog <d2ba@...> wrote:
> >
> > Can this filter do a good TB-303 emulation ---any others out there
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > David
> >
>
> hello david,
>
> if you are looking for something that is similar to
> a tb303 filter, then the a103 is a nice choice, but
> a 303-style filter alone won't give you the real 303 sound.
> it's the whole concept that makes a 303 sound like a 303.
> i always find that the 303 sequencer and especially the
> slide circuit are even more responsible for the 303
> sound than the filter.
>
> best wishes
>
> ingo
>
>
> 



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