Doepfer

I'm still searching on my basic building blocks, anyone point me
towards the fave Ring Mod? I'm still on my EMS style way of thinking
but if there's more versatile ones out there i'd like to know about them.

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "johnppp2" <johnppp2@...> wrote:
>
> I'm still searching on my basic building blocks, anyone point me
> towards the fave Ring Mod? I'm still on my EMS style way of thinking
> but if there's more versatile ones out there i'd like to know about
them.
>

few days ago i sent idea to doepfer for triple ring modulator with
adjustable "disadjustment" potentiometers ... really weird stuff that
makes weird timbres !!! since he didn't replied me on that one i think
youll have to wait for and if its added to current module rig ... for
modules already available idk really since i stopped making modules
and checking others long ago ;o)

my favorite ring mod by far is the moogerfooger, it is just so smooth and musical

not available in eurorack of course!

R

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  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Best Ring Mod?


  --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "johnppp2" <johnppp2@...> wrote:
  >
  > I'm still searching on my basic building blocks, anyone point me
  > towards the fave Ring Mod? I'm still on my EMS style way of thinking
  > but if there's more versatile ones out there i'd like to know about
  them.
  >

  few days ago i sent idea to doepfer for triple ring modulator with
  adjustable "disadjustment" potentiometers ... really weird stuff that
  makes weird timbres !!! since he didn't replied me on that one i think
  youll have to wait for and if its added to current module rig ... for
  modules already available idk really since i stopped making modules
  and checking others long ago ;o)



   

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The main differences I've found between ring modulators is weather  
they are AC coupled or not and how much bleed-through you get from the  
program and modulator inputs. The Synthi ring was AC coupled, meaning  
when used as a VCA (a DC voltage for the modulator) the Signal would  
appear only when the DC was "moving". So a gat inputted there would  
make a sound on the rising and falling edges and not when held. These  
are the most common ring modulators. The first one I ever used was the  
one on a ARP 2500 and if I remember correctly (it was +30 years ago!)  
it was combined with a VCA. The circuit is quite simple and that's why  
you often see dual versions. As to the bleed-through - I guess you  
have to have first hand experience with the unit. Technically when  
putting in two sine waves A & B into the unit all you should here on  
the output is two tones a+b and a-b. If you hear the originals, that  
is the bleed-through. Usually this is at a very low level and not too  
much a problem but if you are using it as a pitch doubler (both a and  
b the same pitch) then it can get in the way. I would imagine that RMs  
in the same price range are very much alike. It cost to make a good  
one. To emulate the RM in the Synthi almost any will do - it was not  
the best RM out there for sure - mine had lots of bleed-through though  
some of that could be blamed on the matrix I'm sure. The Plan-B Model  
25 looks very nice. It is a combo unit with a VCA and etc - much like  
the ARP 2500's unit. and the ring is DC coupled. I have not hear this  
unit but the spec say 65cB of carrier suppression which is very good.

-James

On Feb 10, 2008, at 5:09 AM, johnppp2 wrote:

> I'm still searching on my basic building blocks, anyone point me
> towards the fave Ring Mod? I'm still on my EMS style way of thinking
> but if there's more versatile ones out there i'd like to know about  
> them.
>
>
>
>
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>
>

hear hear!!

Richard Scott wrote:

> 
> 
> my favorite ring mod by far is the moogerfooger, it is just so smooth 
> and musical
> 
> not available in eurorack of course!
> 
> R
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: overkloan
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:25 PM
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Best Ring Mod?
> 
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> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>, "johnppp2" <johnppp2@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > I'm still searching on my basic building blocks, anyone point me
>  > towards the fave Ring Mod? I'm still on my EMS style way of thinking
>  > but if there's more versatile ones out there i'd like to know about
> them.
>  >
> 
> few days ago i sent idea to doepfer for triple ring modulator with
> adjustable "disadjustment" potentiometers ... really weird stuff that
> makes weird timbres !!! since he didn't replied me on that one i think
> youll have to wait for and if its added to current module rig ... for
> modules already available idk really since i stopped making modules
> and checking others long ago ;o)
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I'm quite partial to Ken Stone's real ring mod myself:

http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgsrr.html

requires a little work but it sounds really good


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Hi Pierre

I only can confirm, that transformer based ring modulators sound really 
beautiful. And Ken Stones pcbs can be definitely recomended.

Florian

yep, this is the one. i've got two of them and they really sound great.


On 11. Feb 2008, at 8:52 AM, Pierre Zeeman wrote:

> I'm quite partial to Ken Stone's real ring mod myself:
>
> http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgsrr.html
>
> requires a little work but it sounds really good
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--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Denis Gökdag <q-art@...> wrote:
>
> yep, this is the one. i've got two of them and they really sound great.
> 
> 
> On 11. Feb 2008, at 8:52 AM, Pierre Zeeman wrote:
> 
> > I'm quite partial to Ken Stone's real ring mod myself:
> >
> > http://www.cgs.synth.net/modules/cgsrr.html
> >
> > requires a little work but it sounds really good
> >


Germanium or schottky must be used in real ringmodulators, because of
the low voltage drop. I have made several of them, they have quite a
lot of nice sounding distortion and much less high frequency content
than "normal" ringmodulators. 

I also agree that "normal" ringmodulators sound prety much the same. I
have one with an AD633 and one with a LM1496, the difference is very
small. 
"Normal" AC ringmodulators can be made into DC by simply bypassing the
input caps. 

You should have a few of both types.