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New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-24 by Mark Pulver

poke-poke...

http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features

http://www.analoguehaven.com/tiptopaudio/z5000/

This is a pretty cool little module. At first glance it appears to be an 
"oh, reverb and delay in eurorack". But it's much more...

The Z5000 is best thought of as Another Module to provide sound shaping in 
your system, but not in the scope of being a filter. Think down the lines 
of splitting a signal _within_ your modular, adding delay or reverb to a 
piece of it, then mixing things back together and on out to the mains.

Or... throw a VCA and an EG in front of it and create synch'd gated reverb 
effects on demand.

Or... Overload the analog front end, get the delay into "crunch mode" and 
just go nuts with it as an edgy bit slicer. :)

The "worst" thing you can do with this module is to think of it as an 
end-loop effects device. It's a lot more than that. :)

See the sound samples up on TipTop's forum:

   http://tiptopaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20

Mark

Re: New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-24 by partlydrone

a good multi effects module is brilliant with a modular, but the main
reason for having this in a eurorack module (given that signal
strength is eminently surmountable) is fetish value.

i have a zoom 1201 which i use a lot, £30 second hand. 

http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1633

i took the front panel off to make it look less naff, but it sits
nicely on top of my new nice wood doepfer case, and so very unusually
for me i am not experiencing gear lust at the site of this new piece
of eurorack kit. 

i am however soon going to buy a doepfer crossfader/fx-send module to
have more automatable control over the 1201's activities...

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Mark Pulver <mark@...> wrote:
>
> 
> poke-poke...
> 
> http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
> 
> http://www.analoguehaven.com/tiptopaudio/z5000/
> 
> This is a pretty cool little module. At first glance it appears to
be an 
> "oh, reverb and delay in eurorack". But it's much more...
> 
> The Z5000 is best thought of as Another Module to provide sound
shaping in 
> your system, but not in the scope of being a filter. Think down the
lines 
> of splitting a signal _within_ your modular, adding delay or reverb
to a 
> piece of it, then mixing things back together and on out to the mains.
> 
> Or... throw a VCA and an EG in front of it and create synch'd gated
reverb 
> effects on demand.
> 
> Or... Overload the analog front end, get the delay into "crunch
mode" and

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> just go nuts with it as an edgy bit slicer. :)
> 
> The "worst" thing you can do with this module is to think of it as an 
> end-loop effects device. It's a lot more than that. :)
> 
> See the sound samples up on TipTop's forum:
> 
>    http://tiptopaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20
> 
> Mark
>

RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by David Salter

Hi Mark,
 
yeh I heard about this on the Muff Wiggler's forum and ordered one
straight away from Analog Haven and by some quirk of fate I found it had
arrived at my office last night.
 
First impressions are very good. It comes in it's own little branded
cardboard box, the controls are very clean and feel good, the legending
is very pro and it comes mounting screws and a Doepfer cable. No manual
though, not that one is needed but .....
 
can't wait to power it up and test it ;O)
 
David
 
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:32 PM
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Subject: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

poke-poke...

http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features
<http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features> 

http://www.analoguehaven.com/tiptopaudio/z5000/
<http://www.analoguehaven.com/tiptopaudio/z5000/> 

This is a pretty cool little module. At first glance it appears to be an

"oh, reverb and delay in eurorack". But it's much more...

The Z5000 is best thought of as Another Module to provide sound shaping
in 
your system, but not in the scope of being a filter. Think down the
lines 
of splitting a signal _within_ your modular, adding delay or reverb to a

piece of it, then mixing things back together and on out to the mains.

Or... throw a VCA and an EG in front of it and create synch'd gated
reverb 
effects on demand.

Or... Overload the analog front end, get the delay into "crunch mode"
and 
just go nuts with it as an edgy bit slicer. :)

The "worst" thing you can do with this module is to think of it as an 
end-loop effects device. It's a lot more than that. :)

See the sound samples up on TipTop's forum:

http://tiptopaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20
<http://tiptopaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20> 

Mark

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Richard Scott

but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much by the sound of it

I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect but this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, and only one VC input seems not very exciting?


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Floppy

thats right,

it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx in euro format.
but the most disturbing to me is the discussion about it on the doepfer 
list.





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> but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much 
> by the sound of it
>
> I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect 
> but this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, 
> and only one VC input seems not very exciting?
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RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by David Salter

Richard,
 
Understand that point of view. In comparison to something like the BDD
modules from Doepfer this is on the surface quite a basic module that
does no more than a $50 guitar effects box.
 
However I'm used to using multi FX mid patch and make a lot of use of
digital delay or digital reverb within the feedback loop of filters or
between VCO's that are modulating each other. The effect is clean and
adds a transparency to the sound, unlike say my spring reverb or an
analogue delay line.
 
Horse for courses as we say.
 
I enjoy having the choice. The added bonus of the TipTop is that the CV
input, although only effecting 1 parameter of the effect - be it delay
time or reverb decay time - gives me a bit more flexibility over the
standard multi FX modules I use.
 
Best wishes
 
David
 
BTW I just realise that the sticker on the box gives a link to the
online manual so I'm off to download that now.
 
 
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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:32 AM
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much
by the sound of it

I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect but
this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, and
only one VC input seems not very exciting?

Richard

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Florian Anwander

Hi Mark,

did you use the AL3201-RVB board, available at profusion?

Florian

Mark Pulver wrote:
> http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=features

RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by David Salter

Hi Bill,
 
it does work in delay mode but in the delay only algorithm it is
stepped, although it will still have it's uses. the delay time on the
chorus/delay responds continuously. at least that's my understanding.
 
I'll know more once I patch it in over the weekend.
 
david
 
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Eyesaw
Sent: 25 April 2008 17:22
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

David:

Are you sure the VC works in delay mode? I have heard there are (2)
other modes in which this is not VC operational.

Mark: Could you please post the link to manual?

Thanks, Bill

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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

Richard,

Understand that point of view. In comparison to something like the BDD
modules from Doepfer this is on the surface quite a basic module that
does no more than a $50 guitar effects box.

However I'm used to using multi FX mid patch and make a lot of use of
digital delay or digital reverb within the feedback loop of filters or
between VCO's that are modulating each other. The effect is clean and
adds a transparency to the sound, unlike say my spring reverb or an
analogue delay line.

Horse for courses as we say.

I enjoy having the choice. The added bonus of the TipTop is that the CV
input, although only effecting 1 parameter of the effect - be it delay
time or reverb decay time - gives me a bit more flexibility over the
standard multi FX modules I use.

Best wishes

David

BTW I just realise that the sticker on the box gives a link to the
online manual so I'm off to download that now.

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Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much
by the sound of it

I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect but
this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, and
only one VC input seems not very exciting?

Richard

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Mark Pulver

Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...

I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect to 
Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.

I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in their 
rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered by 
Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out 
from all sorts of folks these days.


(more babble coming for the rest of the folks)

Mark
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 >thats right,
 >
 >it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx in euro format.
 >but the most disturbing to me is the discussion about it on the doepfer
 >list.

Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Richard Scott

I hope we can always discuss any actually existing or potential euro rack modules here from any company. Its one reason this list is so important.

Richard

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Pulver 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

  Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...

  I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect to 
  Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.

  I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in their 
  rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered by 
  Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out 
  from all sorts of folks these days.

  (more babble coming for the rest of the folks)

  Mark
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  Floppy (02:39 AM 4/25/2008) wrote:
  >thats right,
  >
  >it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx in euro format.
  >but the most disturbing to me is the discussion about it on the doepfer
  >list.

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RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by David Salter

Hi Bill,
 
That's what I thought when I saw it reviewed on another forum. Certainly
intrigued enough to get hold of one.
 
Here's hoping :o)
 
David
 
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Sent: 25 April 2008 17:49
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Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

David - That actually sounds unusual and effectually useable.

Thanks, Bill

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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

Hi Bill,

it does work in delay mode but in the delay only algorithm it is
stepped, although it will still have it's uses. the delay time on the
chorus/delay responds continuously. at least that's my understanding.

I'll know more once I patch it in over the weekend.

david

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Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

David:

Are you sure the VC works in delay mode? I have heard there are (2)
other modes in which this is not VC operational.

Mark: Could you please post the link to manual?

Thanks, Bill

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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

Richard,

Understand that point of view. In comparison to something like the BDD
modules from Doepfer this is on the surface quite a basic module that
does no more than a $50 guitar effects box.

However I'm used to using multi FX mid patch and make a lot of use of
digital delay or digital reverb within the feedback loop of filters or
between VCO's that are modulating each other. The effect is clean and
adds a transparency to the sound, unlike say my spring reverb or an
analogue delay line.

Horse for courses as we say.

I enjoy having the choice. The added bonus of the TipTop is that the CV
input, although only effecting 1 parameter of the effect - be it delay
time or reverb decay time - gives me a bit more flexibility over the
standard multi FX modules I use.

Best wishes

David

BTW I just realise that the sticker on the box gives a link to the
online manual so I'm off to download that now.

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Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much
by the sound of it

I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect but
this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, and
only one VC input seems not very exciting?

Richard

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by davevosh@aol.com

Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...

I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect to 
Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.

I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in their 
rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered by 
Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out 
from all sorts of folks these days.


hello,
for what its worth, i found the posting informative. i`d also like to think i`m a typical euro-format synth geek and i like having the "mix and match" options to get what i feel is right for me.
best,
dave

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From: Mark Pulver <mark@midiwall.com>
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...

I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect to 
Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.

I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in their 
rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered by 
Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out 
from all sorts of folks these days.

(more babble coming for the rest of the folks)

Mark
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Floppy (02:39 AM 4/25/2008) wrote:
>thats right,
>
>it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx in euro format.
>but the most disturbing to me is the discussion about it on the doepfer
>list.

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Mark Pulver

Richard;
The VC acts in different ways depending on what effect you have dialed up. 
For example, CV affects reverb time for the reverbs, depth for the chorus, 
delay time for the delay, speed switch for the rotary speaker...

-----
Bill;
The quickstart guide is online:
http://www.tiptopaudio.com/dl/z5000qs.pdf

And yes, the delay is VC'd. Head here:
http://www.tiptopaudio.com/product.php?goto=specs
Then click down there where it says "Voltage Control Effect List"

I also read MatthewD's ("stretta") review where he says that "13" of the 
effects are VC'd. I'm not sure which he's referring to.

-----
Florian;
re: http://www.profusionplc.com/products/AL3201-RVB.html

Nope, this is a custom coded DSP.


-----
General babble...

There some sound samples up on Tiptop's forum:
http://www.tiptopaudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2


I know that a lot of folks will see this as a {insert cheap dsp box here} 
stuffed into a ER format, and at some level that's what it is. But toss in 
that VC param (and yes, it would be nice to have a dozen CV points!) and 
things change a bit.

Also, it's valuable to take a step back from looking at this as "oh, reverb 
in a ER format" and think past that. I've had a TON of fun pushing this 
past the design limits - overloading the preamp or sending the DSP into a 
tizzy. There are some samples of those results up on the Tiptop forum.

And having something like this _in an ER format_ is what makes it 
accessible. And at this price point, it's kinda' hard to say "no". We've 
all paid just more than this for a pair of filters - or even twice this for 
ONE filter.

Really, it's NOT a reverb/delay/chorus in a ER panel... It's another 
shaping _tool_.

It's also fun to do things like split a signal into a separate VCA then on 
into the Z5000. Fire an EG from a random source and let it drive the VCA. 
With the Z5000 setup for a reverb wash, you get a VERY cool random wash in 
the midst of your patch. :)


Mark

Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Mark Pulver

Thanks Dave!

That was my intent. I have a lot of Doepfer in my rig; I also have AS, 
Blacet, Evenfall, Moog, Livewire, Tiptop...

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davevosh@aol.com (08:04 AM 4/25/2008) wrote:
 >hello,
 >for what its worth, i found the posting informative. i`d also like to think
 >i`m a typical euro-format synth geek and i like having the "mix and match"
 >options to get what i feel is right for me.
 >best,
 >dave

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 >Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...
 >
 >I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect to
 >Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.
 >
 >I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in their
 >rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered by
 >Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out
 >from all sorts of folks these days.

RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by David Salter

Mark,
 
I can understand where your coming from. I also understand that this is
the A100 forum and Bakis has the last word on what gets posted.
 
80% of my modules are Doepfer (about 100ish last count) and because of
functionality, price and quality will always be my first choice.
 
However I also have modules by Plan_B, Bananalogue, Voxglitch, Analogue
Systems, Analogue Solutions, Oakley and Blacet in my rig. And in the
future I'd like to include more of these manufacturers plus The Harvest
Man, Cweman and any other manufacturer that produces a module of
interest.
 
Other makers have been discussed in the list before but there are other
forums that cover modular synths that are not product specific like
Wigglers. 
 
I will always bow to the moderators wishes.
 
Best wishes
 
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mark Pulver
Sent: 25 April 2008 16:47
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...

I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect
to 
Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.

I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in
their 
rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered
by 
Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out 
from all sorts of folks these days.

(more babble coming for the rest of the folks)

Mark
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Floppy (02:39 AM 4/25/2008) wrote:
>thats right,
>
>it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx in euro format.
>but the most disturbing to me is the discussion about it on the doepfer
>list.

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Eyesaw

David:

       Are you sure the VC works in delay mode? I have heard there are (2) other modes in which this is not VC operational.
 
Mark: Could you please post the link to manual?

Thanks, Bill

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Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

Richard,

Understand that point of view. In comparison to something like the BDD
modules from Doepfer this is on the surface quite a basic module that
does no more than a $50 guitar effects box.

However I'm used to using multi FX mid patch and make a lot of use of
digital delay or digital reverb within the feedback loop of filters or
between VCO's that are modulating each other. The effect is clean and
adds a transparency to the sound, unlike say my spring reverb or an
analogue delay line.

Horse for courses as we say.

I enjoy having the choice. The added bonus of the TipTop is that the CV
input, although only effecting 1 parameter of the effect - be it delay
time or reverb decay time - gives me a bit more flexibility over the
standard multi FX modules I use.

Best wishes

David

BTW I just realise that the sticker on the box gives a link to the
online manual so I'm off to download that now.

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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much
by the sound of it

I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect but
this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, and
only one VC input seems not very exciting?

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AW: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by hardware@doepfer.de

> Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...
>
> I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect
to
> Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.
>
> I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in
their
> rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered
by
> Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out
> from all sorts of folks these days.
>
> (more babble coming for the rest of the folks)
>
> Mark

I have no problems when discussions about modules from other manufacturers
appear in the group. And after all the group is totally independent from our
company (thanks to Bakis) and there is absolutely no censorship from us. I
think its important to have a forum that looks even a bit beyond the rim of
each manufacturer.

In this context I have to mention that we are about to test a similar DSP
based module but with several simultaneously voltage controlled parameters.
Christian is about to find out the "smoothness" of the parameters in
question. From this will depend if we will release such a module (please
refer to my messages around March 17 thiy year).

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Mark Pulver

Florian;

I may be wrong... I'm checking with the designer.

Mark
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 >-----
 >Florian;
 >re: http://www.profusionplc.com/products/AL3201-RVB.html
 >Nope, this is a custom coded DSP.

Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Richard Scott

thanks Dieter

yes, crazy ass cross modulating multiple VC shit is what I'm talking about! Rock on

Richard

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  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:25 PM
  Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

  > Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...
  >
  > I thought about that long and hard before doing it, I mean no disrespect
  to
  > Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.
  >
  > I bet that most of the folks on this list have non-Doepfer modules in
  their
  > rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with anything currently offered
  by
  > Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of modules coming out
  > from all sorts of folks these days.
  >
  > (more babble coming for the rest of the folks)
  >
  > Mark

  I have no problems when discussions about modules from other manufacturers
  appear in the group. And after all the group is totally independent from our
  company (thanks to Bakis) and there is absolutely no censorship from us. I
  think its important to have a forum that looks even a bit beyond the rim of
  each manufacturer.

  In this context I have to mention that we are about to test a similar DSP
  based module but with several simultaneously voltage controlled parameters.
  Christian is about to find out the "smoothness" of the parameters in
  question. From this will depend if we will release such a module (please
  refer to my messages around March 17 thiy year).

  Best wishes
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Eyesaw

David - That actually sounds unusual and effectually useable.

Thanks, Bill

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  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:41 AM
  Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

  Hi Bill,

  it does work in delay mode but in the delay only algorithm it is
  stepped, although it will still have it's uses. the delay time on the
  chorus/delay responds continuously. at least that's my understanding.

  I'll know more once I patch it in over the weekend.

  david

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  On Behalf Of Eyesaw
  Sent: 25 April 2008 17:22
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

  David:

  Are you sure the VC works in delay mode? I have heard there are (2)
  other modes in which this is not VC operational.

  Mark: Could you please post the link to manual?

  Thanks, Bill

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: David Salter 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>

  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 4:54 AM
  Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

  Richard,

  Understand that point of view. In comparison to something like the BDD
  modules from Doepfer this is on the surface quite a basic module that
  does no more than a $50 guitar effects box.

  However I'm used to using multi FX mid patch and make a lot of use of
  digital delay or digital reverb within the feedback loop of filters or
  between VCO's that are modulating each other. The effect is clean and
  adds a transparency to the sound, unlike say my spring reverb or an
  analogue delay line.

  Horse for courses as we say.

  I enjoy having the choice. The added bonus of the TipTop is that the CV
  input, although only effecting 1 parameter of the effect - be it delay
  time or reverb decay time - gives me a bit more flexibility over the
  standard multi FX modules I use.

  Best wishes

  David

  BTW I just realise that the sticker on the box gives a link to the
  online manual so I'm off to download that now.

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  but what does the voltage control actually do on this module? Not much
  by the sound of it

  I think that VC controlled digital modules are an exciting prospect but
  this seems like the most boring way to look at it - no gate input, and
  only one VC input seems not very exciting?

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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Bakis Sirros

don't worry Mark, i am the list moderator and its
really fine to post for other euro modules in the
Doepfer A100 group.
after all, these euro modules are compatible with the
A100 so its totally ok.

--- Mark Pulver <mark@midiwall.com> wrote:

> 
> Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...
> 
> I thought about that long and hard before doing it,
> I mean no disrespect to 
> Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.
> 
> I bet that most of the folks on this list have
> non-Doepfer modules in their 
> rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with
> anything currently offered by 
> Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of
> modules coming out 
> from all sorts of folks these days.
> 
> 
> (more babble coming for the rest of the folks)
> 
> Mark
> ------
> Floppy (02:39 AM 4/25/2008) wrote:
>  >thats right,
>  >
>  >it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx
> in euro format.
>  >but the most disturbing to me is the discussion
> about it on the doepfer
>  >list.
> 
> 

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Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Bakis Sirros

such a module would be great.


--- hardware@doepfer.de wrote:

> > Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...
> >
> > I thought about that long and hard before doing
> it, I mean no disrespect
> to
> > Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.
> >
> > I bet that most of the folks on this list have
> non-Doepfer modules in
> their
> > rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with
> anything currently offered
> by
> > Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list
> of modules coming out
> > from all sorts of folks these days.
> >
> > (more babble coming for the rest of the folks)
> >
> > Mark
> 
> I have no problems when discussions about modules
> from other manufacturers
> appear in the group. And after all the group is
> totally independent from our
> company (thanks to Bakis) and there is absolutely no
> censorship from us. I
> think its important to have a forum that looks even
> a bit beyond the rim of
> each manufacturer.
> 
> In this context I have to mention that we are about
> to test a similar DSP
> based module but with several simultaneously voltage
> controlled parameters.
> Christian is about to find out the "smoothness" of
> the parameters in
> question. From this will depend if we will release
> such a module (please
> refer to my messages around March 17 thiy year).
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Doepfer_a100] New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-25 by Mark Pulver

Cool. Thanks Bakis; Thanks Deiter.

Folks, please understand that I'm not looking to grandstand about this 
module, or any other non-Doepfer module. I's jest lookin' to get the word 
out that there's something new.

And Deiter... My guess is that I'll end up with one of Deopfer's upcoming 
DSP madness modules as well!


Carry On!

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 >don't worry Mark, i am the list moderator and its
 >really fine to post for other euro modules in the
 >Doepfer A100 group.
 >after all, these euro modules are compatible with the
 >A100 so its totally ok.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >--- Mark Pulver <mark@midiwall.com> wrote:
 >
 >>
 >> Regarding posting this up on the Doepfer list...
 >>
 >> I thought about that long and hard before doing it,
 >> I mean no disrespect to
 >> Dieter in specific and Doepfer in general.
 >>
 >> I bet that most of the folks on this list have
 >> non-Doepfer modules in their
 >> rig, and this module doesn't cross paths with
 >> anything currently offered by
 >> Doepfer. It's a choice... just like the long list of
 >> modules coming out
 >> from all sorts of folks these days.
 >>
 >>
 >> (more babble coming for the rest of the folks)
 >>
 >> Mark
 >> ------
 >> Floppy (02:39 AM 4/25/2008) wrote:
 >>  >thats right,
 >>  >
 >>  >it looks really boring, like a behringer multifx
 >> in euro format.
 >>  >but the most disturbing to me is the discussion
 >> about it on the doepfer
 >>  >list.
 >>
 >>
 >
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Re: New Product - Tiptop Audio Z5000

2008-04-26 by gasp_uleg

>...In this context I have to mention that we are about to test a similar 
>DSP based module but with several simultaneously voltage controlled 
>parameters...
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer


YEAH !!!

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