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RE: [Doepfer_a100] AS/Doepfer module ex periences

2002-05-17 by Stinchcombe Timothy

Hi Bakis

> HMMM.....interesting...i hadn't notice that adsr
> clipping that you mention...anyway,my favourite vca's

Discovering the similar problem with the 140 into the CV1 socket of the 131 when I first got my oscilloscope made me realise what an invaluable piece of kit it is (especially for the A-136 - my hat off to those who use that module without one.. but then we've had that discussion before!). It took quite a lot of experimentation with a 'slow' envelope to be able to *hear* the effect (rather than see it on the 'scope), i.e. the volume levelling off for a period and then starting to drop, rather than continually increasing in 'attack' and immediately decreasing on 'decay'. I now always use the 140 into CV2 with the pot set at about 6.

> in terms of sound is the A132!!!because of the
> different sound of the new versions of the a130/a131
> vca's.the A132 haven't been changed,and it sounds
> warmer ,to my ears,of course...so,i use the a132 for
> audio and cv signals.any opinions about that
> difference in sound of the new version(v.2 ,2001)
> a130/a131???

The old 130/131 used the Curtis (CEM) PA381/382 VCA chips, which were presumably specifically designed to have nice characteristics for audio. The 132 uses the RCA CA3080 chip, which is probably why it sounds different. My 131 *is* the re-designed one (marked v2, 2001), and it now also uses the 3080 chip, so I'm guessing it will sound similar to the 132. I don't know that I'm a sophisticated enough user to be able to hear the difference, but I'll have a go at the weekend!

My 130 has a PA381 chip, so I guess its an 'old' one - its marked 'v2, 1996', so I'm assuming that the new one, if/when it exists, will be 'v3'. I would be interested to hear from anyone else if they have a 'v3' 130, and whether my assumption that it must also use the 3080 chip is correct or not. (Some of this is from memory, so I'll correct on Monday if its found to be lacking...!)

I also agree with Joe, I find the 132 real nice to use for varying modulation depth, and as it is DC coupled (unlike old 130) I occasionally use it to 'multiply' CVs too...

Tim

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RE: [Doepfer_a100] AS/Doepfer module ex periences

2002-05-18 by bakis Sirros

hi tim,
what i have found so far:i had some new
a131(v2.2001).i noticed that if you turn the input
knob all the way up the output uis much louder than
the older a131's and it is distorted too...dieter told
me that they made the new a131 this way because many
customres asked for distorted sound without the use of
the a136(!!!!?????).but to my ears this distortion
doesn't sound good.i find the sound of the new a131'as
to be more harsh.the older a131's had a more warm
sound that i liked best.similar warm sounding is the
a132 too,so i use the a132 for audio from now on...
about the a130:i don't have any new a130's so,i can't
make any comments about their sound...but i find it
really annoying for the new a131's to have that harsh
sound and to give you distortion without me asking for
it!!i preferd the old ones!!!!dieter told me that the
older a131 that used the curtis chips, now they would
be more expensive because the price of the curtis CEM
chip used in these a131's are much higher
now...(damn!!!!).so,i'll settle for the
a132's........the a132's ,despite the fact that they
use the same RCA chips as the new a131's, they don't
sound harsh but warm like the old a131's,i really
don't know why...
of course that's only MY opinion.
bakis.


--- Stinchcombe Timothy <tstinchcombe@qinetiq.com>
wrote:
> Hi Bakis
> 
> > HMMM.....interesting...i hadn't notice that adsr
> > clipping that you mention...anyway,my favourite
> vca's
> 
> Discovering the similar problem with the 140 into
> the CV1 socket of the 131 when I first got my
> oscilloscope made me realise what an invaluable
> piece of kit it is (especially for the A-136 - my
> hat off to those who use that module without one..
> but then we've had that discussion before!). It took
> quite a lot of experimentation with a 'slow'
> envelope to be able to *hear* the effect (rather
> than see it on the 'scope), i.e. the volume
> levelling off for a period and then starting to
> drop, rather than continually increasing in 'attack'
> and immediately decreasing on 'decay'. I now always
> use the 140 into CV2 with the pot set at about 6.
> 
> > in terms of sound is the A132!!!because of the
> > different sound of the new versions of the
> a130/a131
> > vca's.the A132 haven't been changed,and it sounds
> > warmer ,to my ears,of course...so,i use the a132
> for
> > audio and cv signals.any opinions about that
> > difference in sound of the new version(v.2 ,2001)
> > a130/a131???
> 
> The old 130/131 used the Curtis (CEM) PA381/382 VCA
> chips, which were presumably specifically designed
> to have nice characteristics for audio. The 132 uses
> the RCA CA3080 chip, which is probably why it sounds
> different. My 131 *is* the re-designed one (marked
> v2, 2001), and it now also uses the 3080 chip, so
> I'm guessing it will sound similar to the 132. I
> don't know that I'm a sophisticated enough user to
> be able to hear the difference, but I'll have a go
> at the weekend!
> 
> My 130 has a PA381 chip, so I guess its an 'old' one
> - its marked 'v2, 1996', so I'm assuming that the
> new one, if/when it exists, will be 'v3'. I would be
> interested to hear from anyone else if they have a
> 'v3' 130, and whether my assumption that it must
> also use the 3080 chip is correct or not. (Some of
> this is from memory, so I'll correct on Monday if
> its found to be lacking...!)
> 
> I also agree with Joe, I find the 132 real nice to
> use for varying modulation depth, and as it is DC
> coupled (unlike old 130) I occasionally use it to
> 'multiply' CVs too...
> 
> Tim
> 
> [The views expressed above are entirely those of the
> writer and do not represent the views, policy or
> understanding of any other person or official body.
> Personal email. This email is personal. It is not
> authorised or sent on behalf of the sender's
> employer. This email is the personal responsibility
> of the sender.]
> 
> 
> The Information contained in this E-Mail and any
> subsequent correspondence
> is private and is intended solely for the intended
> recipient(s).
> For those other than the recipient any disclosure,
> copying, distribution,
> or any action taken or omitted to be taken in
> reliance on such information
> is prohibited and may be unlawful.
> 


=====
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athens-greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator

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Re: AS/Doepfer module ex periences

2002-05-18 by adamburr1973

Can the new a131 sound clean if you turn down the input level or does 
it always distort? Is the distortion a hard clip or a soft clip?

Adam.



--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
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> hi tim,
> what i have found so far:i had some new
> a131(v2.2001).i noticed that if you turn the input
> knob all the way up the output uis much louder than
> the older a131's and it is distorted too...dieter told
> me that they made the new a131 this way because many
> customres asked for distorted sound without the use of
> the a136(!!!!?????).but to my ears this distortion
> doesn't sound good.i find the sound of the new a131'as
> to be more harsh.the older a131's had a more warm
> sound that i liked best.similar warm sounding is the
> a132 too,so i use the a132 for audio from now on...
> about the a130:i don't have any new a130's so,i can't
> make any comments about their sound...but i find it
> really annoying for the new a131's to have that harsh
> sound and to give you distortion without me asking for
> it!!i preferd the old ones!!!!dieter told me that the
> older a131 that used the curtis chips, now they would
> be more expensive because the price of the curtis CEM
> chip used in these a131's are much higher
> now...(damn!!!!).so,i'll settle for the
> a132's........the a132's ,despite the fact that they
> use the same RCA chips as the new a131's, they don't
> sound harsh but warm like the old a131's,i really
> don't know why...
> of course that's only MY opinion.
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- Stinchcombe Timothy <tstinchcombe@q...>
> wrote:
> > Hi Bakis
> > 
> > > HMMM.....interesting...i hadn't notice that adsr
> > > clipping that you mention...anyway,my favourite
> > vca's
> > 
> > Discovering the similar problem with the 140 into
> > the CV1 socket of the 131 when I first got my
> > oscilloscope made me realise what an invaluable
> > piece of kit it is (especially for the A-136 - my
> > hat off to those who use that module without one..
> > but then we've had that discussion before!). It took
> > quite a lot of experimentation with a 'slow'
> > envelope to be able to *hear* the effect (rather
> > than see it on the 'scope), i.e. the volume
> > levelling off for a period and then starting to
> > drop, rather than continually increasing in 'attack'
> > and immediately decreasing on 'decay'. I now always
> > use the 140 into CV2 with the pot set at about 6.
> > 
> > > in terms of sound is the A132!!!because of the
> > > different sound of the new versions of the
> > a130/a131
> > > vca's.the A132 haven't been changed,and it sounds
> > > warmer ,to my ears,of course...so,i use the a132
> > for
> > > audio and cv signals.any opinions about that
> > > difference in sound of the new version(v.2 ,2001)
> > > a130/a131???
> > 
> > The old 130/131 used the Curtis (CEM) PA381/382 VCA
> > chips, which were presumably specifically designed
> > to have nice characteristics for audio. The 132 uses
> > the RCA CA3080 chip, which is probably why it sounds
> > different. My 131 *is* the re-designed one (marked
> > v2, 2001), and it now also uses the 3080 chip, so
> > I'm guessing it will sound similar to the 132. I
> > don't know that I'm a sophisticated enough user to
> > be able to hear the difference, but I'll have a go
> > at the weekend!
> > 
> > My 130 has a PA381 chip, so I guess its an 'old' one
> > - its marked 'v2, 1996', so I'm assuming that the
> > new one, if/when it exists, will be 'v3'. I would be
> > interested to hear from anyone else if they have a
> > 'v3' 130, and whether my assumption that it must
> > also use the 3080 chip is correct or not. (Some of
> > this is from memory, so I'll correct on Monday if
> > its found to be lacking...!)
> > 
> > I also agree with Joe, I find the 132 real nice to
> > use for varying modulation depth, and as it is DC
> > coupled (unlike old 130) I occasionally use it to
> > 'multiply' CVs too...
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > [The views expressed above are entirely those of the
> > writer and do not represent the views, policy or
> > understanding of any other person or official body.
> > Personal email. This email is personal. It is not
> > authorised or sent on behalf of the sender's
> > employer. This email is the personal responsibility
> > of the sender.]
> > 
> > 
> > The Information contained in this E-Mail and any
> > subsequent correspondence
> > is private and is intended solely for the intended
> > recipient(s).
> > For those other than the recipient any disclosure,
> > copying, distribution,
> > or any action taken or omitted to be taken in
> > reliance on such information
> > is prohibited and may be unlawful.
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> 
> __________________________________________________
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: AS/Doepfer module ex periences

2002-05-18 by bakis Sirros

hi adam,
 it will truly distort when you turn the input knob at
more than the 5 position but,to my ears, the sound of
the new a131 is different, i find it more
harsh,regardless of the position of the input knob...i
don't know why...i prefer the sound of the a132.sorry
but i don't know the difference between soft and hard
clipping.
bakis.



--- adamburr1973 <adamb@blueskystudios.com> wrote:
> Can the new a131 sound clean if you turn down the
> input level or does 
> it always distort? Is the distortion a hard clip or
> a soft clip?
> 
> Adam.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., bakis Sirros
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > hi tim,
> > what i have found so far:i had some new
> > a131(v2.2001).i noticed that if you turn the input
> > knob all the way up the output uis much louder
> than
> > the older a131's and it is distorted too...dieter
> told
> > me that they made the new a131 this way because
> many
> > customres asked for distorted sound without the
> use of
> > the a136(!!!!?????).but to my ears this distortion
> > doesn't sound good.i find the sound of the new
> a131'as
> > to be more harsh.the older a131's had a more warm
> > sound that i liked best.similar warm sounding is
> the
> > a132 too,so i use the a132 for audio from now
> on...
> > about the a130:i don't have any new a130's so,i
> can't
> > make any comments about their sound...but i find
> it
> > really annoying for the new a131's to have that
> harsh
> > sound and to give you distortion without me asking
> for
> > it!!i preferd the old ones!!!!dieter told me that
> the
> > older a131 that used the curtis chips, now they
> would
> > be more expensive because the price of the curtis
> CEM
> > chip used in these a131's are much higher
> > now...(damn!!!!).so,i'll settle for the
> > a132's........the a132's ,despite the fact that
> they
> > use the same RCA chips as the new a131's, they
> don't
> > sound harsh but warm like the old a131's,i really
> > don't know why...
> > of course that's only MY opinion.
> > bakis.
> > 
> > 
> > --- Stinchcombe Timothy <tstinchcombe@q...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Bakis
> > > 
> > > > HMMM.....interesting...i hadn't notice that
> adsr
> > > > clipping that you mention...anyway,my
> favourite
> > > vca's
> > > 
> > > Discovering the similar problem with the 140
> into
> > > the CV1 socket of the 131 when I first got my
> > > oscilloscope made me realise what an invaluable
> > > piece of kit it is (especially for the A-136 -
> my
> > > hat off to those who use that module without
> one..
> > > but then we've had that discussion before!). It
> took
> > > quite a lot of experimentation with a 'slow'
> > > envelope to be able to *hear* the effect (rather
> > > than see it on the 'scope), i.e. the volume
> > > levelling off for a period and then starting to
> > > drop, rather than continually increasing in
> 'attack'
> > > and immediately decreasing on 'decay'. I now
> always
> > > use the 140 into CV2 with the pot set at about
> 6.
> > > 
> > > > in terms of sound is the A132!!!because of the
> > > > different sound of the new versions of the
> > > a130/a131
> > > > vca's.the A132 haven't been changed,and it
> sounds
> > > > warmer ,to my ears,of course...so,i use the
> a132
> > > for
> > > > audio and cv signals.any opinions about that
> > > > difference in sound of the new version(v.2
> ,2001)
> > > > a130/a131???
> > > 
> > > The old 130/131 used the Curtis (CEM) PA381/382
> VCA
> > > chips, which were presumably specifically
> designed
> > > to have nice characteristics for audio. The 132
> uses
> > > the RCA CA3080 chip, which is probably why it
> sounds
> > > different. My 131 *is* the re-designed one
> (marked
> > > v2, 2001), and it now also uses the 3080 chip,
> so
> > > I'm guessing it will sound similar to the 132. I
> > > don't know that I'm a sophisticated enough user
> to
> > > be able to hear the difference, but I'll have a
> go
> > > at the weekend!
> > > 
> > > My 130 has a PA381 chip, so I guess its an 'old'
> one
> > > - its marked 'v2, 1996', so I'm assuming that
> the
> > > new one, if/when it exists, will be 'v3'. I
> would be
> > > interested to hear from anyone else if they have
> a
> > > 'v3' 130, and whether my assumption that it must
> > > also use the 3080 chip is correct or not. (Some
> of
> > > this is from memory, so I'll correct on Monday
> if
> > > its found to be lacking...!)
> > > 
> > > I also agree with Joe, I find the 132 real nice
> to
> > > use for varying modulation depth, and as it is
> DC
> > > coupled (unlike old 130) I occasionally use it
> to
> > > 'multiply' CVs too...
> > > 
> > > Tim
> > > 
> > > [The views expressed above are entirely those of
> the
> > > writer and do not represent the views, policy or
> > > understanding of any other person or official
> body.
> > > Personal email. This email is personal. It is
> not
> > > authorised or sent on behalf of the sender's
> > > employer. This email is the personal
> responsibility
> > > of the sender.]
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The Information contained in this E-Mail and any
> > > subsequent correspondence
> > > is private and is intended solely for the
> intended
> > > recipient(s).
> > > For those other than the recipient any
> disclosure,
> > > copying, distribution,
> > > or any action taken or omitted to be taken in
> > > reliance on such information
> > > is prohibited and may be unlawful.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner-moderator
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
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> 
> 


=====
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