Doepfer

Just took delivery of an A-116 from Enport and while his service 
was terrific, I have to say I was a little underwhelmed with the unit 
itself.  It just doesn't do a lot.  If any of you have any tricks you've 
learned to enhance it's sound let me know.

I was able to get a very interesting sound out of it however by 
combining it with his VCswitch in a very odd way.  You might 
want to try this at home:

Connect a sine into the A-116.  VC the shift with a ramp LFO.  
Listen to it.  You will hear a tiny bit of waveshape modulation, 
nothing to go bats over.

Take the output of the A-116 and route it into the INACTIVE I/0 
jack of the VC switch (the one in which the LED is OFF).  do not 
connect a VC into the switch, let it stay in that state.  Listen to the 
output of the VC switch.

You will hear an incredible amplification of the waveshaping 
effect now.  I have no idea why this is happening.  If there is no 
VC into the switch in order to connect the output (wiper) to the 
normally open contact (the I/0 without the LED on), then you 
shouldn't hear a damn thing....but you do.  I tried it on both the 
upper and lower VC swtch, worked like a charm.

try it,m you might like it.

best,

Peter Grenader

All this talk about a Frequency Shifter got my fetish in check.  Just 
ordered one.

So, I'm on vacation next week and will have that time to curl up 
with the new little beast and give it a whirl.

I know I know...i have no life.

I'll do a little peeking under the hood to see how the VC range 
could be increased.

P

Paul,

I made a quick CD of the A126 things you requested (before reading 
your last posting)... still want it?

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "petergrenader" <petergrenader@h...> wrote:
> All this talk about a Frequency Shifter got my fetish in check.  
Just 

> ordered one.
> 
> So, I'm on vacation next week and will have that time to curl up 
> with the new little beast and give it a whirl.
> 
> I know I know...i have no life.
> 
> I'll do a little peeking under the hood to see how the VC range 
> could be increased.
> 
> P

don't know about doepfer but the analog systems frequency shifter is
incredibly interesting in the 5hz range. because the shift is linear,
harmonics in the input form beat patterns in the output. from what
i've read i don't think the doepfer module is capable of these fine
frequency shifts but i could be wrong.

Yeah!  But I';m Peter, but that's cool.  email = 
petergrenader@mksound.com

thanks so much, that's GREAT!


--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> I made a quick CD of the A126 things you requested (before 
reading 
> your last posting)... still want it?
> 
> Regards,
> Kevin
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "petergrenader" 
<petergrenader@h...> wrote:
> > All this talk about a Frequency Shifter got my fetish in check.  
> Just 
> > ordered one.
> > 
> > So, I'm on vacation next week and will have that time to curl 
up 

> > with the new little beast and give it a whirl.
> > 
> > I know I know...i have no life.
> > 
> > I'll do a little peeking under the hood to see how the VC range 
> > could be increased.
> > 
> > P

Peter was the one who requested the CD, but I´d like it, too :-)

best.
Paul

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: code_pig 
  To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:03 PM
  Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Frequency Shifter


  Paul,

  I made a quick CD of the A126 things you requested (before reading 
  your last posting)... still want it?

  Regards,
  Kevin




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On 6/20/02 10:04 AM, "petergrenader" <petergrenader@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just took delivery of an A-116 from Enport and while his service
> was terrific, I have to say I was a little underwhelmed with the unit
> itself.  It just doesn't do a lot.  If any of you have any tricks you've
> learned to enhance it's sound let me know.

yes, although a bit different, I think the A-136 is the proper replacement
for the A-116.

I'm kinda suprised Doepfer hasn't deleted the A-116 from the menu.
-phil

I have both -- 116 and 136 -- and like each much, for different things. 
The 136 may be in some sense more versatile, but I find what the 116 can
do, particularly with sines but also generally with various types of VC
clipping and symmetry and roughening, interesting and useful.

Why delete it from the menu?

"p. hendricks" wrote:

> 
> On 6/20/02 10:04 AM, "petergrenader" <petergrenader@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Just took delivery of an A-116 from Enport and while his service
> > was terrific, I have to say I was a little underwhelmed with the unit
> > itself.  It just doesn't do a lot.  If any of you have any tricks you've
> > learned to enhance it's sound let me know.
> 
> yes, although a bit different, I think the A-136 is the proper replacement
> for the A-116.
> 
> I'm kinda suprised Doepfer hasn't deleted the A-116 from the menu.
> -phil

On 6/20/02 7:58 PM, "unknown freak" <ospengler@rcn.com> wrote:

> I have both -- 116 and 136 -- and like each much, for different things.
> The 136 may be in some sense more versatile, but I find what the 116 can
> do, particularly with sines but also generally with various types of VC
> clipping and symmetry and roughening, interesting and useful.

ok, I think you are right, they both have a place, but I guess I thought the
116 was a bit lackluster it what you would expect it to do.
I think I use the 116 more now that I have 136's(not more than the 136s)
... it's just that the 116 is reasonably subtle, and it was never what I
expected before I guess. still I don't think the 116 is a "great" module by
any means and would have trouble recommending it, although it can be quite
useful. But, I would highly recommend the 136, a very versatile module.

> 
> Why delete it from the menu?

yeah...keep it, it does have it's place.
-phil

Neither the A116 nor the A136 give you instant gratification. They 
both require plenty of thoughtful experimentation.  

This is what separates the synth programmers from the module shoppers. 
Once you've unlocked their secrets, consider it a badge of 
honor. 

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "p. hendricks" <ph@a...> wrote:
> On 6/20/02 10:04 AM, "petergrenader" <petergrenader@h...> wrote:
> 
> > Just took delivery of an A-116 from Enport and while his service
> > was terrific, I have to say I was a little underwhelmed with the 
unit
> > itself.  It just doesn't do a lot.  If any of you have any tricks 
you've
> > learned to enhance it's sound let me know.
> 
> yes, although a bit different, I think the A-136 is the proper 
replacement

> for the A-116.
> 
> I'm kinda suprised Doepfer hasn't deleted the A-116 from the menu.
> -phil

Allow me to repsectfully disagree on this.  A module such as the 
Buchla Multiple Arbitrary Function Generator is one thing and I 
agree with you wholeheartedly,  it will and should take time and a 
learning curve to unlock.

A simple waveshaper however is a totally different story.  One 
could and would expect instant gratification from such a device.

My point was that I have heard many a waveshapers with the 
deeper level of  modulation, and that has nothing to do with my 
understanding of synthesis and/or any catagory that may place 
me in!

My credits will happily be supplied upon request.

best,

P


--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> 
wrote:
> Neither the A116 nor the A136 give you instant gratification. 
They 
> both require plenty of thoughtful experimentation.  
> 
> This is what separates the synth programmers from the 
module shoppers. 
> Once you've unlocked their secrets, consider it a badge of 
> honor. 
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "p. hendricks" <ph@a...> wrote:
> > On 6/20/02 10:04 AM, "petergrenader" <petergrenader@h...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > > Just took delivery of an A-116 from Enport and while his 
service
> > > was terrific, I have to say I was a little underwhelmed with 
the 
> unit
> > > itself.  It just doesn't do a lot.  If any of you have any tricks 
> you've
> > > learned to enhance it's sound let me know.
> > 
> > yes, although a bit different, I think the A-136 is the proper 
> replacement
> > for the A-116.
> > 
> > I'm kinda suprised Doepfer hasn't deleted the A-116 from the 
menu.
> > -phil

Hi Peter,
 I don't have an A116, but if it is anything like the A-136 then this
sounds terribly like the ghost of '150 bleed-thru revisited',
discussed at length some weeks back. My guess would be that if the 116
*is* like the 136 and has the capability of amplifying the input
signal greatly, then the signal into the 150 may be more than +/- 8V,
which we know it is very unhappy with! If you have a scope and can
check out the size of the signal you are passing into the 150 (do it
*without* the connecion to the 150 being made, as otherwise the diodes
in it will make it seem like about +/- 8.7 V, whereas in fact it could
be higher) then I would be most interested to hear if this is the case
or not. I still don't appreciate why the FET circuitry in the 4053
chip behaves as it does under such conditions, but I shall continue to
seek an answer - today I printed yet another 4053 datasheet, unlike
the others I have this one shows the exact configuration of
transistors in the switch, so I may yet be able to work it out!

Tim

[The views expressed above are entirely those of the writer and do not
represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or
official body.]

> Connect a sine into the A-116.  VC the shift with a ramp LFO.  
> Listen to it.  You will hear a tiny bit of waveshape modulation, 
> nothing to go bats over.
> 
> Take the output of the A-116 and route it into the INACTIVE I/0 
> jack of the VC switch (the one in which the LED is OFF).  do not 
> connect a VC into the switch, let it stay in that state.  Listen to the 
> output of the VC switch.
> 
> You will hear an incredible amplification of the waveshaping 
> effect now.  I have no idea why this is happening.  If there is no 
> VC into the switch in order to connect the output (wiper) to the 
> normally open contact (the I/0 without the LED on), then you 
> shouldn't hear a damn thing....but you do.  I tried it on both the 
> upper and lower VC swtch, worked like a charm.
> 
> try it,m you might like it.
> 
> best,
> 
> Peter Grenader

Can''t answer this, as I packed up the 116 today and sent it back 
to Enport (US distributor) for the 126 which I took delivery of also 
today and so far I'm quite pleased with.


--- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "stinchcombe_t" <tstinchcombe@q...> 
wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>  I don't have an A116, but if it is anything like the A-136 then this
> sounds terribly like the ghost of '150 bleed-thru revisited',
> discussed at length some weeks back. My guess would be 
that if the 116
> *is* like the 136 and has the capability of amplifying the input
> signal greatly, then the signal into the 150 may be more than 
+/- 8V,
> which we know it is very unhappy with! If you have a scope and 
can
> check out the size of the signal you are passing into the 150 
(do it
> *without* the connecion to the 150 being made, as otherwise 
the diodes
> in it will make it seem like about +/- 8.7 V, whereas in fact it 
could
> be higher) then I would be most interested to hear if this is the 
case
> or not. I still don't appreciate why the FET circuitry in the 4053
> chip behaves as it does under such conditions, but I shall 
continue to
> seek an answer - today I printed yet another 4053 datasheet, 
unlike
> the others I have this one shows the exact configuration of
> transistors in the switch, so I may yet be able to work it out!
> 
> Tim
> 
> [The views expressed above are entirely those of the writer and 
do not
> represent the views, policy or understanding of any other 
person or
> official body.]
> 
> 
> > Connect a sine into the A-116.  VC the shift with a ramp LFO.  
> > Listen to it.  You will hear a tiny bit of waveshape modulation, 
> > nothing to go bats over.
> > 
> > Take the output of the A-116 and route it into the INACTIVE I/0 
> > jack of the VC switch (the one in which the LED is OFF).  do 
not 
> > connect a VC into the switch, let it stay in that state.  Listen to 
the 
> > output of the VC switch.
> > 
> > You will hear an incredible amplification of the waveshaping 
> > effect now.  I have no idea why this is happening.  If there is 
no 

> > VC into the switch in order to connect the output (wiper) to the 
> > normally open contact (the I/0 without the LED on), then you 
> > shouldn't hear a damn thing....but you do.  I tried it on both the 
> > upper and lower VC swtch, worked like a charm.
> > 
> > try it,m you might like it.
> > 
> > best,
> > 
> > Peter Grenader

Hi Peter,

> itself.  It just doesn't do a lot.  If any of you have any tricks you've
> learned to enhance it's sound let me know.
I use the A-116 like a fuzzbox for a guitar (I use it also _as_ a fuzzbox
for my guitar ;-) ). So do not connect the VCO signal direct to the A-116
but first create a complete sound and as last module in the signal flow
send the sound through the A-116.

I got very nice results with filter sweep sounds with a lot of resonance
sent through the A-116.

Florian

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> Can''t answer this, as I packed up the 116 today and sent it back 
> to Enport (US distributor) for the 126 which I took delivery of also 
> today and so far I'm quite pleased with.

That's a shame, because it would be nice to know the answer: so if
anyone else out there has a 116 and can tell me if it is capable of
amplifying a signal....

> > discussed at length some weeks back. My guess would be 
> that if the 116
> > *is* like the 136 and has the capability of amplifying the input
> > signal greatly, then the signal into the 150 may be more than 
> +/- 8V,

... then I'd love to know!

> > or not. I still don't appreciate why the FET circuitry in the 4053
> > chip behaves as it does under such conditions, but I shall 
> continue to
> > seek an answer 

I believe I more or less have the answer now, after more experiments
with a 4053 over the weekend. More experiments next weekend, if my
local Maplin's gets some bits in, should enable me to clinch it!

Tim

[The views expressed above are entirely those of the writer and do not
represent the views, policy or understanding of any other person or
official body.]

Hi Tim

> anyone else out there has a 116 and can tell me if it is capable of
> amplifying a signal....
I don't think, I will have a look at it the next days.

Florian
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