Doepfer

maybe there is not any info int he doepfer site, but you can see it running in the musikmesse a100 video here:
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular-synth-video-action/

that's why i am asking for comments from people who attended the musikmesse.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
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www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece


--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com> wrote:

> From: Guy Drieghe D. <guy@guyd2.com>
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 11:56 PM
> Hi Bakis,
> 
> Is there any information available for the mini-schaltwerk
> ? Can't  
> seem to find any…
> 
> cheers,
> 
> _Guy
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > well, in case some of you were at the musikmesse 2009,
> any  
> > impressions/comments on the A100 mini-schaltwerk
> module?
> >
> > it seems to be such an amazing module with so many
> rows and so many  
> > trigger steps per row..
> >
> > any comments from people that actually saw it there?
> >
> > also, any impressions about the new A187-1 vc-dsp
> module?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Bakis.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>     mailto:Doepfer_a100-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
>

> maybe there is not any info int he doepfer site, but you can see it running in the musikmesse a100 video here:
> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular-synth-video-action/
>
> that's why i am asking for comments from people who attended the musikmesse.
Is it the module with the columns of moving red lights in the lower
right hand corner or the rightmost case?  If so, it looks great!  And
I've always wished for something like a mini-Schaltwerk and I'd buy
one right now if it were available.  Why has Dieter been so quiet
about it?   Or did I just miss the discussion?

John

i stand corrected :)

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von John V. Talbert
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 01:52
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?
>
>
> > maybe there is not any info int he doepfer site, but you can
> see it running in the musikmesse a100 video here:
> >
> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular-
> synth-video-action/
> >
> > that's why i am asking for comments from people who attended
> the musikmesse.
> Is it the module with the columns of moving red lights in the lower
> right hand corner or the rightmost case?  If so, it looks great!  And
> I've always wished for something like a mini-Schaltwerk and I'd buy
> one right now if it were available.  Why has Dieter been so quiet
> about it?   Or did I just miss the discussion?
>
> John

It's a very early prototype of the planned module named "honey I shrunk the
schaltwerk" ;-)

We finished the two prototypes at the weekend before the Musikmesse. As it
was not sure if we could make it there was no time for an announcement. And
the two prototypes have only very limited functions so far:

prototype 1: matrix of 8 rows with 8 buttons and LEDs each (the final
version will probably have 16 buttons and LEDs per row), 8 trigger outputs
(during the Musikmesse used to trigger MFB drum modules), clock and reset
input, no additional functions like different first/last step,
presets/memories and so on

pototype 2 (not complete): 8x8 LED matrix with only one set of 8 buttons,
the buttons have to be assigned to one row, the final version will have
probably 16x8 (or 32x8) LEDs with one set 16 (or 32) buttons. This would
allow a very compact 16x8 (or 32x8) step trigger sequencer with a small
required space.

I added a picture of the two versions to our website:
www.doepfer.de/A100_pictures/A100_Schaltwerk.jpg. On the right side you see
version 1, on the left side version two (so far only the LED matrix that
displays the same as the version 1 but rotated by 90 degrees). The single
button row for version 2 has not been finished in time. Only the LED matrix
unit was finished. We think also about other applications of the LED matrix
(e.g. 8-fold level meter, X/Y position display, miniature
oscilloscope/correlation meter and some more).

Everything is in a very early prototype state and we are not sure if both
versions (separate button for each step or only one set of buttons) will be
manufactured. In any case it will be a simple trigger sequencer with reduced
functions compared to Schaltwerk (not the same huge functions as the
Schaltwerk). Probably two (normalled) clock inputs for the rows 1-4 and 5-8
will be available to allow different tempos for the rows 1-4/5-8 (e.g. by
means of a trigger divider or two totally independent clocks). And some
presets/memories will be available, but probably not the extended functions
of Schaltwerk.

Before we continue with this module a lot of other stuff has to be finished
(Dark Energy, A-111-5, DSP-Module A-187-1, Matrix Mixer A-138m, Dual
Attenuator A-183-1, Offset/Polarizer A-183-2, Amplifier A-183-3, polyphonic
Midi/CV interface A-190-3, modulation wheel module A-174-2, foot controller
module A-177-2, CV/Gate-to-Midi interface, and some more ...)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

Wow!


Regards,
Robbert

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM, <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:

>
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>]Im
> Auftrag von John V. Talbert
> > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 01:52
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?
> >
> >
> > > maybe there is not any info int he doepfer site, but you can
> > see it running in the musikmesse a100 video here:
> > >
> > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular-
> > synth-video-action/
> > >
> > > that's why i am asking for comments from people who attended
> > the musikmesse.
> > Is it the module with the columns of moving red lights in the lower
> > right hand corner or the rightmost case? If so, it looks great! And
> > I've always wished for something like a mini-Schaltwerk and I'd buy
> > one right now if it were available. Why has Dieter been so quiet
> > about it? Or did I just miss the discussion?
> >
> > John
>
> It's a very early prototype of the planned module named "honey I shrunk the
> schaltwerk" ;-)
>
> We finished the two prototypes at the weekend before the Musikmesse. As it
> was not sure if we could make it there was no time for an announcement. And
> the two prototypes have only very limited functions so far:
>
> prototype 1: matrix of 8 rows with 8 buttons and LEDs each (the final
> version will probably have 16 buttons and LEDs per row), 8 trigger outputs
> (during the Musikmesse used to trigger MFB drum modules), clock and reset
> input, no additional functions like different first/last step,
> presets/memories and so on
>
> pototype 2 (not complete): 8x8 LED matrix with only one set of 8 buttons,
> the buttons have to be assigned to one row, the final version will have
> probably 16x8 (or 32x8) LEDs with one set 16 (or 32) buttons. This would
> allow a very compact 16x8 (or 32x8) step trigger sequencer with a small
> required space.
>
> I added a picture of the two versions to our website:
> www.doepfer.de/A100_pictures/A100_Schaltwerk.jpg. On the right side you
> see
> version 1, on the left side version two (so far only the LED matrix that
> displays the same as the version 1 but rotated by 90 degrees). The single
> button row for version 2 has not been finished in time. Only the LED matrix
> unit was finished. We think also about other applications of the LED matrix
> (e.g. 8-fold level meter, X/Y position display, miniature
> oscilloscope/correlation meter and some more).
>
> Everything is in a very early prototype state and we are not sure if both
> versions (separate button for each step or only one set of buttons) will be
> manufactured. In any case it will be a simple trigger sequencer with
> reduced
> functions compared to Schaltwerk (not the same huge functions as the
> Schaltwerk). Probably two (normalled) clock inputs for the rows 1-4 and 5-8
> will be available to allow different tempos for the rows 1-4/5-8 (e.g. by
> means of a trigger divider or two totally independent clocks). And some
> presets/memories will be available, but probably not the extended functions
> of Schaltwerk.
>
> Before we continue with this module a lot of other stuff has to be finished
> (Dark Energy, A-111-5, DSP-Module A-187-1, Matrix Mixer A-138m, Dual
> Attenuator A-183-1, Offset/Polarizer A-183-2, Amplifier A-183-3, polyphonic
> Midi/CV interface A-190-3, modulation wheel module A-174-2, foot controller
> module A-177-2, CV/Gate-to-Midi interface, and some more ...)
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>  
>


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Dieter,
 
The "Honey I Shrunk the Schaltwerk" looks great. Apart from having a whole panel of pulsing LED's, I good trigger sequencer is high on my list of requirements.
 
But then again so are so many of the forth coming modules ;o)
 
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From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of yahoo@doepfer.de
Sent: 15 April 2009 09:27
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?





> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ]Im Auftrag von John V. Talbert
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 01:52
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?
>
>
> > maybe there is not any info int he doepfer site, but you can
> see it running in the musikmesse a100 video here:
> >
> http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular- <http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular-> 
> synth-video-action/
> >
> > that's why i am asking for comments from people who attended
> the musikmesse.
> Is it the module with the columns of moving red lights in the lower
> right hand corner or the rightmost case? If so, it looks great! And
> I've always wished for something like a mini-Schaltwerk and I'd buy
> one right now if it were available. Why has Dieter been so quiet
> about it? Or did I just miss the discussion?
>
> John

It's a very early prototype of the planned module named "honey I shrunk the
schaltwerk" ;-)

We finished the two prototypes at the weekend before the Musikmesse. As it
was not sure if we could make it there was no time for an announcement. And
the two prototypes have only very limited functions so far:

prototype 1: matrix of 8 rows with 8 buttons and LEDs each (the final
version will probably have 16 buttons and LEDs per row), 8 trigger outputs
(during the Musikmesse used to trigger MFB drum modules), clock and reset
input, no additional functions like different first/last step,
presets/memories and so on

pototype 2 (not complete): 8x8 LED matrix with only one set of 8 buttons,
the buttons have to be assigned to one row, the final version will have
probably 16x8 (or 32x8) LEDs with one set 16 (or 32) buttons. This would
allow a very compact 16x8 (or 32x8) step trigger sequencer with a small
required space.

I added a picture of the two versions to our website:
www.doepfer.de/A100_pictures/A100_Schaltwerk.jpg. On the right side you see
version 1, on the left side version two (so far only the LED matrix that
displays the same as the version 1 but rotated by 90 degrees). The single
button row for version 2 has not been finished in time. Only the LED matrix
unit was finished. We think also about other applications of the LED matrix
(e.g. 8-fold level meter, X/Y position display, miniature
oscilloscope/correlation meter and some more).

Everything is in a very early prototype state and we are not sure if both
versions (separate button for each step or only one set of buttons) will be
manufactured. In any case it will be a simple trigger sequencer with reduced
functions compared to Schaltwerk (not the same huge functions as the
Schaltwerk). Probably two (normalled) clock inputs for the rows 1-4 and 5-8
will be available to allow different tempos for the rows 1-4/5-8 (e.g. by
means of a trigger divider or two totally independent clocks). And some
presets/memories will be available, but probably not the extended functions
of Schaltwerk.

Before we continue with this module a lot of other stuff has to be finished
(Dark Energy, A-111-5, DSP-Module A-187-1, Matrix Mixer A-138m, Dual
Attenuator A-183-1, Offset/Polarizer A-183-2, Amplifier A-183-3, polyphonic
Midi/CV interface A-190-3, modulation wheel module A-174-2, foot controller
module A-177-2, CV/Gate-to-Midi interface, and some more ...)

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer






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Hello,

> Everything is in a very early prototype state 
> ...
> In any case it will be a simple trigger sequencer with reduced
> functions compared to Schaltwerk 
So: shouldn't this be the be the alarm to collect a feature wish list? :-)

I hope the programmed patterns resides in a static memory.

Additionally I have two wishes:

1.) split it into two modules: the trigger programming module and adress 
generation module and connect them via an bus cable with address bus, 
clock, reset. So the module could be driven also by the A154 (or other 
future adressing modules).

2.) please add in the planning stage of the hardware four function 
buttons. I don't know not yet what for exactly, but I have some ideas:

* Buttons A and B might switch between different programmable gate lengthes
   - Non pressed: staccato -> gate length as short as possible (required 
for resonating filters like the MFB drum modules),
   - A pressed: portato-1 -> 25% of clock step length
   - A and B pressed: portato-2 75% of clock length
   - B pressed: legato = 100% of clock length(*)
I think having different gate lengthes would make a reasonable 
difference against the MFB SEQ-01. If the module would be "only" a 
trigger module, we could buy already the MFB-module.

* Button C switches between permanent steps and temporary step. A 
permanent step is stored in the pattern as you'd expect it from a drum 
machine. A temporary step will be erased after it had been played once. 
So you can have a basic pattern playing but add steps as roles or 
variations. I do this very often with my Xbase09 and TR-Series, but I 
always have to erase the step immediately again.

* Button D is free for your suggestions ;-)

Florian



(*)this is not that easy, because either a higher input-clock is 
required (I'd prefer DIN-Sync), or the PIC has to measure the 
clocklength and then adjust the values.

We want
> to keep it simple, easy and low-cost.
> 
go dieter!!

:)

Thanks for the detailed information, Dieter!  Wonderful looking module.

Since it's early in the development stage, maybe I can interject a
recommendation.  How about considering the addition of one MIDI (or
CV) input, a CV output per row, a record toggle and a row select so
that it might be possible to "record" a pattern on-the-fly from a
keyboard?  What I'm imagining is that in "record" mode, it would work
somewhat like an SH-101 step sequencer where the first note is
recorded to the first cell, the second to the second cell, etc. -
until recording is stopped or the row is full.  The number of notes
would define the length of the pattern for that row.  I think this
could make the module even more powerful, even if it might mean a
smaller number of sequencer rows available to fit the space
constraint.  Or maybe this could be implemented in two models: one
specialized for triggers and another for CV which when paired together
(synced or not) would allow some pretty complex and interesting
patterns to be created!

Another approach could be to have a USB port to allow patterns to be
loaded as simple mono, 8-16 step .MID files via a USB drive.  MIDI
files would be selectable by a simple inc/dec button/CV or numeric
keypad (meaning restricting the names to 00-99.MID) .  So one could
take the modular on the road and have access to tons of patterns
without the need of a computer.  It might be a little less ideal for
on-the-fly performance than my previous approach, but it might also be
less expensive to implement and manufacture.

Just a thought.

Kindest regards,
John

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:26 AM,  <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:
> It's a very early prototype of the planned module named "honey I shrunk the
> schaltwerk" ;-)
> [...]
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer

What you describe is totally different from the planned module which is
planned as a simple 8 track trigger sequencer but not an analog sequencer
with record function. And there are no plans to include Midi or USB. We want
to keep it simple, easy and low-cost.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im Auftrag von John V. Talbert
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 13:19
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?
>
>
> Thanks for the detailed information, Dieter!  Wonderful looking module.
>
> Since it's early in the development stage, maybe I can interject a
> recommendation.  How about considering the addition of one MIDI (or
> CV) input, a CV output per row, a record toggle and a row select so
> that it might be possible to "record" a pattern on-the-fly from a
> keyboard?  What I'm imagining is that in "record" mode, it would work
> somewhat like an SH-101 step sequencer where the first note is
> recorded to the first cell, the second to the second cell, etc. -
> until recording is stopped or the row is full.  The number of notes
> would define the length of the pattern for that row.  I think this
> could make the module even more powerful, even if it might mean a
> smaller number of sequencer rows available to fit the space
> constraint.  Or maybe this could be implemented in two models: one
> specialized for triggers and another for CV which when paired together
> (synced or not) would allow some pretty complex and interesting
> patterns to be created!
>
> Another approach could be to have a USB port to allow patterns to be
> loaded as simple mono, 8-16 step .MID files via a USB drive.  MIDI
> files would be selectable by a simple inc/dec button/CV or numeric
> keypad (meaning restricting the names to 00-99.MID) .  So one could
> take the modular on the road and have access to tons of patterns
> without the need of a computer.  It might be a little less ideal for
> on-the-fly performance than my previous approach, but it might also be
> less expensive to implement and manufacture.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Kindest regards,
> John
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:26 AM,  <yahoo@doepfer.de> wrote:
> > It's a very early prototype of the planned module named "honey
> I shrunk the
> > schaltwerk" ;-)
> > [...]
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Agreed, keep it simple, cheap and sooner rather than later.
 
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To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
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We want
> to keep it simple, easy and low-cost.
> 
go dieter!!

:)






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How about clock divisions for 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 
instead of the usual/easier 2,4,8,16,32? This 
would be musically MUCH more useful and it would 
be easier to avoid the clichéd Tangerine Dream 
style sequencing.

>  > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>  Von: <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> 
>>[mailto:<mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]Im 
>>Auftrag von John V. Talbert
>>  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. April 2009 01:52
>>  An: <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>>  Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] comments on the mini-schaltwerk module?
>>
>>
>>  > maybe there is not any info int he doepfer site, but you can
>>  see it running in the musikmesse a100 video here:
>>  >
>> 
>><http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular->http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/04/06/messe09-doepfer-modular-
>>  synth-video-action/
>>  >
>>  > that's why i am asking for comments from people who attended
>>  the musikmesse.
>>  Is it the module with the columns of moving red lights in the lower
>>  right hand corner or the rightmost case? If so, it looks great! And
>>  I've always wished for something like a mini-Schaltwerk and I'd buy
>>  one right now if it were available. Why has Dieter been so quiet
>>  about it? Or did I just miss the discussion?
>>
>>  John
>
>It's a very early prototype of the planned module named "honey I shrunk the
>schaltwerk" ;-)
>
>We finished the two prototypes at the weekend before the Musikmesse. As it
>was not sure if we could make it there was no time for an announcement. And
>the two prototypes have only very limited functions so far:
>
>prototype 1: matrix of 8 rows with 8 buttons and LEDs each (the final
>version will probably have 16 buttons and LEDs per row), 8 trigger outputs
>(during the Musikmesse used to trigger MFB drum modules), clock and reset
>input, no additional functions like different first/last step,
>presets/memories and so on
>
>pototype 2 (not complete): 8x8 LED matrix with only one set of 8 buttons,
>the buttons have to be assigned to one row, the final version will have
>probably 16x8 (or 32x8) LEDs with one set 16 (or 32) buttons. This would
>allow a very compact 16x8 (or 32x8) step trigger sequencer with a small
>required space.
>
>I added a picture of the two versions to our website:
>www.doepfer.de/A100_pictures/A100_Schaltwerk.jpg. On the right side you see
>version 1, on the left side version two (so far only the LED matrix that
>displays the same as the version 1 but rotated by 90 degrees). The single
>button row for version 2 has not been finished in time. Only the LED matrix
>unit was finished. We think also about other applications of the LED matrix
>(e.g. 8-fold level meter, X/Y position display, miniature
>oscilloscope/correlation meter and some more).
>
>Everything is in a very early prototype state and we are not sure if both
>versions (separate button for each step or only one set of buttons) will be
>manufactured. In any case it will be a simple trigger sequencer with reduced
>functions compared to Schaltwerk (not the same huge functions as the
>Schaltwerk). Probably two (normalled) clock inputs for the rows 1-4 and 5-8
>will be available to allow different tempos for the rows 1-4/5-8 (e.g. by
>means of a trigger divider or two totally independent clocks). And some
>presets/memories will be available, but probably not the extended functions
>of Schaltwerk.
>
>Before we continue with this module a lot of other stuff has to be finished
>(Dark Energy, A-111-5, DSP-Module A-187-1, Matrix Mixer A-138m, Dual
>Attenuator A-183-1, Offset/Polarizer A-183-2, Amplifier A-183-3, polyphonic
>Midi/CV interface A-190-3, modulation wheel module A-174-2, foot controller
>module A-177-2, CV/Gate-to-Midi interface, and some more ...)
>
>Best wishes
>Dieter Doepfer
>
>
>


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