Doepfer

hi List,

i thought it would be great to further motivate Dieter to create the touch keyboard sequencer for the A100 (which i am waiting for, since 2001!), and in order to do that, i have created a new poll, trying to see the ACTUAL interest of the group members to REALLY buy the TKS (TOUCH KEYBOARD AND SEQUENCER SECTION).

so, please, do participate in this poll, if you want the TKS to finally happen.
the poll will be closed on the 30th of December, so do get your votes in asap!

thanks,
best regards,   :-)
Bakis.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece

If it's affordable, I'll have one.

2009/11/15 Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>

>
>
> hi List,
>
> i thought it would be great to further motivate Dieter to create the touch
> keyboard sequencer for the A100 (which i am waiting for, since 2001!), and
> in order to do that, i have created a new poll, trying to see the ACTUAL
> interest of the group members to REALLY buy the TKS (TOUCH KEYBOARD AND
> SEQUENCER SECTION).
>
> so, please, do participate in this poll, if you want the TKS to finally
> happen.
> the poll will be closed on the 30th of December, so do get your votes in
> asap!
>
> thanks,
> best regards, :-)
> Bakis.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
> www. DiN. org. uk
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
> www. rubberrecords. gr
> Athens - Greece
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Bakis,

First of all thank you for hosting and moderating this list. It has been an invaluable resource over the years. I know that you usually hear more complaints than kudos - so KUDOS aplenty.

As to the issue at hand I think we have a difficult proposition from a business point of view. Much as we want the touch keyboard the only companies offering something similar are Serge (TKB) and Buchla (222e). Both go to more than $3.000, and the Buchla doesn't even have a sequencer function at this stage. Adding the 250e would increase the bill by a cool $1.700, and that's without any enclosure. This together with the relative dearth of other alternative and affordable controllers suggests to me that the vast majority of synthesists are happy with the current state. 

Mr. Doepfer has always acted as a category breaker in the modular synthesizer business. Thanks to him all we non trust-fund babies can entertain the idea of owning a modular synthesizer (see the Serge and Buchla price lists or the recent Vemia auctions – sorry Peter, love the Synthi 100 but love feeding the kids even more). This means that the prices of said august companies are simply a no-go for the Doepfer market. 

 

Let’s assume that one month of man-hours is enough for development (doubtful). According to German conditions this would run to € 26.400*. Assuming a production run of 100 (this seems to be Doepfer’s minimum break-even unit) this comes to €264 for R&D. Let’s add 100% for material and assembly and we get €528. Ignoring marketing and other cost factors and adding a 50% wholesale mark-up we come to €792. 

 

Is anyone here willing to shell out €800 ($1.160 at current rates) for a TKB/Sequencer? If so, why not make us put our money where our mouth is by demanding a (refundable) deposit for it?

 

I personally was drawn to the Doepfer system by its resurrection of the Trautonium. I also love the Vocoder system and especially the A-107 filter** - all of which were not exactly cash-cows as far as I understand it. So I’d be wary of engaging in worthy projects that don’t pay their ways.

 

I really want the Doepfer TKB to happen and I’d be willing to put down $200 to support that goal. Along these lines a useful poll ought to be designed. 

 

York

 

*22 workdays at 8 hours at €150/hour

 

** A107 is the bomb! The proverbial filter to take along with you on a Crusoe mission. 

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Bakis Sirros
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2009 05:53
An: Doepfer_a100 group
Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.

 

  

hi List,

i thought it would be great to further motivate Dieter to create the touch keyboard sequencer for the A100 (which i am waiting for, since 2001!), and in order to do that, i have created a new poll, trying to see the ACTUAL interest of the group members to REALLY buy the TKS (TOUCH KEYBOARD AND SEQUENCER SECTION).

so, please, do participate in this poll, if you want the TKS to finally happen.
the poll will be closed on the 30th of December, so do get your votes in asap!

thanks,
best regards, :-)
Bakis.

Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
www. parallel - worlds - music. com
www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
www. DiN. org. uk
www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
www. shimarecords. co. uk
www. rubberrecords. gr
Athens - Greece





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I voted in the poll "probably not". What I would be most interested in is something most like Bug Brand's touch panel or a mini Serge TKB. I don't know if many people would be into that, but I wish someone would make one!

hi York,

thanks for your detailed reply.

to tell you the truth, i cannot make a poll and ask for a deposit from people unless Dieter would ask me to do so.
i do not think that Dieter has ever asked for a deposit before for any forthcoming module, so i guess he would not also ask for a deposit for the TKS.
if Dieter asks me to make a poll with that specific option, then i would do this, of course.

regarding the possible price of the Doepfer TKS: even if it comes to a cost of 800 euros (the combined sequencer and touch keyboard controller), compared to all other offered similar solutions, it will be a really great price!

btw, indeed, the A129 Vocoder is a great sub-system and i use it all the time for many other things too, apart from 'classic-vocoding', like attenuation, offsetting and slewing voltage sources and also the A129-2 synthesis section as a VC-filterbank.

thanks,
best regards,     :-)
Bakis.



Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. shimarecords. co. uk

www. rubberrecords. gr

Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, York Luethje <ybl@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: York Luethje <ybl@yahoo.com>
Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:59 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      Hi Bakis,



First of all thank you for hosting and moderating this list. It has been an invaluable resource over the years. I know that you usually hear more complaints than kudos - so KUDOS aplenty.



As to the issue at hand I think we have a difficult proposition from a business point of view. Much as we want the touch keyboard the only companies offering something similar are Serge (TKB) and Buchla (222e). Both go to more than $3.000, and the Buchla doesn't even have a sequencer function at this stage. Adding the 250e would increase the bill by a cool $1.700, and that's without any enclosure. This together with the relative dearth of other alternative and affordable controllers suggests to me that the vast majority of synthesists are happy with the current state. 



Mr. Doepfer has always acted as a category breaker in the modular synthesizer business. Thanks to him all we non trust-fund babies can entertain the idea of owning a modular synthesizer (see the Serge and Buchla price lists or the recent Vemia auctions – sorry Peter, love the Synthi 100 but love feeding the kids even more). This means that the prices of said august companies are simply a no-go for the Doepfer market. 



Let’s assume that one month of man-hours is enough for development (doubtful). According to German conditions this would run to € 26.400*. Assuming a production run of 100 (this seems to be Doepfer’s minimum break-even unit) this comes to €264 for R&D. Let’s add 100% for material and assembly and we get €528. Ignoring marketing and other cost factors and adding a 50% wholesale mark-up we come to €792. 



Is anyone here willing to shell out €800 ($1.160 at current rates) for a TKB/Sequencer? If so, why not make us put our money where our mouth is by demanding a (refundable) deposit for it?



I personally was drawn to the Doepfer system by its resurrection of the Trautonium. I also love the Vocoder system and especially the A-107 filter** - all of which were not exactly cash-cows as far as I understand it. So I’d be wary of engaging in worthy projects that don’t pay their ways.



I really want the Doepfer TKB to happen and I’d be willing to put down $200 to support that goal. Along these lines a useful poll ought to be designed. 



York



*22 workdays at 8 hours at €150/hour



** A107 is the bomb! The proverbial filter to take along with you on a Crusoe mission. 



_____  



Von: Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@ yahoogroups. com] Im Auftrag von Bakis Sirros

Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2009 05:53

An: Doepfer_a100 group

Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.



hi List,



i thought it would be great to further motivate Dieter to create the touch keyboard sequencer for the A100 (which i am waiting for, since 2001!), and in order to do that, i have created a new poll, trying to see the ACTUAL interest of the group members to REALLY buy the TKS (TOUCH KEYBOARD AND SEQUENCER SECTION).



so, please, do participate in this poll, if you want the TKS to finally happen.

the poll will be closed on the 30th of December, so do get your votes in asap!



thanks,

best regards, :-)

Bakis.



Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagneti ca. com

www. shimarecords. co. uk

www. rubberrecords. gr

Athens - Greece



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This is what I actually want:
http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=48

To be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone copy Tom Bug's design.
It's just that's the direction I've been wanting available
for the type controller I would most like to use in the Euro format.
From what I understand they're all mostly based on an article found here:
http://www.cyndustries.com/synapse/intro.cfm
It's very much beyond my DIY skills for now.

@Soy Sos: Indeed a lot more interesting. I don't like standard keyboards at
all.



On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> This is what I actually want:
>
> http://www.bugbrand.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_6&products_id=48
>
>  
>


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What I'm saying is for myself I don't really want something in the "standard" keyboard layout at all. Just something with 4 to 8 touchplates, individual and common multiple voltages and gate outs
that can be sequences with an external clock and some direction options.
I would buy Tom's design if it was available in Euro.

who said that the TKS will be a 'standard keyboard' ?

it may be similar to a two octaves keyboard, but you can 'tune/adjust' the cv output of each key to whatever value you want (Dieter, correct me if i' m wrong here...).

thanks,
Bakis.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. shimarecords. co. uk

www. rubberrecords. gr

Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 7:58 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      To be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone copy Tom Bug's design.

It's just that's the direction I've been wanting available

for the type controller I would most like to use in the Euro format.

From what I understand they're all mostly based on an article found here:

http://www.cyndustr ies.com/synapse/ intro.cfm

It's very much beyond my DIY skills for now.





    
     

    
    


 



  






      

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

hi Soysos,

ok, so, basically, you want just a simpler version of the Doepfer Touch keyboard and sequencer controller.

i would think that a touch keyboard with 24 plates, allighned as a two octaves keyboard, retains the 24 touch plates functionality while, additionally, providing the convenience of a chromatic keyboard, in case anyone want to use it that way in some application. so, you have best of both worlds... (touch plates plus a more standard keyboard, just in case...)

all other expected functions (pressure sensitivity, cv addressing, analogue sequencer with touch plates addressing the active step, etc. are there...)

thanks,
Bakis.


Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist

[Doepfer_a100] group owner

www. parallel - worlds - music. com

www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic

www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic

www. myspace. com/ memorygeist

www. DiN. org. uk

www. musicamaximamagnetica. com

www. shimarecords. co. uk

www. rubberrecords. gr

Athens - Greece

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 8:40 PM







 



  


    
      
      
      What I'm saying is for myself I don't really want something in the "standard" keyboard layout at all. Just something with 4 to 8 touchplates, individual and common multiple voltages and gate outs

that can be sequences with an external clock and some direction options.

I would buy Tom's design if it was available in Euro.





    
     

    
    


 



  






      

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The idea of the touchplates are really cool. And implementing them in a
'normal keyboard' would not be practical, I think.
I would have to drag an extra unit around for my live setup.
I'd prefer a module with 4-6 touchplates, one that would be in my Doepfer
case.
Just my thought. I voted 'would not buy' in the poll btw.






On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
> hi Soysos,
>
> ok, so, basically, you want just a simpler version of the Doepfer Touch
> keyboard and sequencer controller.
>
> i would think that a touch keyboard with 24 plates, allighned as a two
> octaves keyboard, retains the 24 touch plates functionality while,
> additionally, providing the convenience of a chromatic keyboard, in case
> anyone want to use it that way in some application. so, you have best of
> both worlds... (touch plates plus a more standard keyboard, just in case...)
>
> all other expected functions (pressure sensitivity, cv addressing, analogue
> sequencer with touch plates addressing the active step, etc. are there...)
>
>
> thanks,
> Bakis.
>
> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>
> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>
> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>
> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>
> www. DiN. org. uk
>
> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>
> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>
> www. rubberrecords. gr
>
> Athens - Greece
>
> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com <djsoysos%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com <djsoysos%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer
> Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 8:40 PM
>
>
>
>
> What I'm saying is for myself I don't really want something in the
> "standard" keyboard layout at all. Just something with 4 to 8 touchplates,
> individual and common multiple voltages and gate outs
>
> that can be sequences with an external clock and some direction options.
>
> I would buy Tom's design if it was available in Euro.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What is the advantage of touch sensitive plates over spring loaded keys?

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:17 PM, achtung_999
<heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

> The idea of the touchplates are really cool. And implementing them in a
> 'normal keyboard' would not be practical, I think.
> I would have to drag an extra unit around for my live setup.
> I'd prefer a module with 4-6 touchplates, one that would be in my Doepfer
> case.
> Just my thought. I voted 'would not buy' in the poll btw.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> hi Soysos,
>>
>> ok, so, basically, you want just a simpler version of the Doepfer Touch
>> keyboard and sequencer controller.
>>
>> i would think that a touch keyboard with 24 plates, allighned as a two
>> octaves keyboard, retains the 24 touch plates functionality while,
>> additionally, providing the convenience of a chromatic keyboard, in case
>> anyone want to use it that way in some application. so, you have best of
>> both worlds... (touch plates plus a more standard keyboard, just in case...)
>>
>> all other expected functions (pressure sensitivity, cv addressing, analogue
>> sequencer with touch plates addressing the active step, etc. are there...)
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>> Bakis.
>>
>> Bakis Sirros - Parallel Worlds / Interconnected / Memory Geist
>>
>> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
>>
>> www. parallel - worlds - music. com
>>
>> www. myspace. com/ parallelworldsmusic
>>
>> www. myspace. com/ interconnectedmusic
>>
>> www. myspace. com/ memorygeist
>>
>> www. DiN. org. uk
>>
>> www. musicamaximamagnetica. com
>>
>> www. shimarecords. co. uk
>>
>> www. rubberrecords. gr
>>
>> Athens - Greece
>>
>> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com <djsoysos%40yahoo.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Soy Sos <djsoysos@yahoo.com <djsoysos%40yahoo.com>>
>> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer
>> Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.
>> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 8:40 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> What I'm saying is for myself I don't really want something in the
>> "standard" keyboard layout at all. Just something with 4 to 8 touchplates,
>> individual and common multiple voltages and gate outs
>>
>> that can be sequences with an external clock and some direction options.
>>
>> I would buy Tom's design if it was available in Euro.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Monroe Eskew wrote:

> What is the advantage of touch sensitive plates over spring loaded  
> keys?


Depending upon how they're implemented, they could have pressure and  
location outputs per key.

- C

Chris Muir
cbm@well.com	
http://www.xfade.com

Is that the intention, to have it gliss like a ribbon controller?

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Chris Muir <cbm@well.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Monroe Eskew wrote:
>
> > What is the advantage of touch sensitive plates over spring loaded
> > keys?
>
> Depending upon how they're implemented, they could have pressure and
> location outputs per key.
>
> - C
>
> Chris Muir
> cbm@well.com <cbm%40well.com>
> http://www.xfade.com
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> What is the advantage of touch sensitive plates over spring loaded keys?
> 

When playing glissandos it is faster of course, an if the have a pressure out that is cool too. Basically you are changing the possible future mechanical failure of standard keyboards for the future electrical failure of the touch sensitive ones. Also some designs of touch keyboards rely on capacitance and in RF noisy environments can give false triggers etc. I personally think the rest of the TKS would work better with a plain keyboard for me.

-James

James Husted
james.husted@mac.com

"It takes about a week to learn how to play a synthesizer, but several years to learn how *not* to play it." - Brian Eno

Also Det3 aka joe grisso(engineer for stg soundlabs) will be releasing
a touchplate keyboard with 4 rows of sequencing and a force to scale
on it. This will more than likely appear in the next year and has been
name dropped a few times on certain forums. I am aware this keyboard
is far into development and I'm pretty certain it is going to see the
light of day, it will also street for quite a bit less than the serge
or buchla. I am pretty sure there will be both an 1/8" and 1/4"
version. It will be called Archangel.

-watson

On 11/15/09, james.husted@mac.com <james.husted@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> What is the advantage of touch sensitive plates over spring loaded keys?
>>
>
> When playing glissandos it is faster of course, an if the have a pressure
> out that is cool too. Basically you are changing the possible future
> mechanical failure of standard keyboards for the future electrical failure
> of the touch sensitive ones. Also some designs of touch keyboards rely on
> capacitance and in RF noisy environments can give false triggers etc. I
> personally think the rest of the TKS would work better with a plain keyboard
> for me.
>
> -James
>
> James Husted
> james.husted@mac.com
>
> "It takes about a week to learn how to play a synthesizer, but several years
> to learn how *not* to play it." - Brian Eno
>
>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

They are based on the original Serge design. There is the ineviable change in parts that happens over +20 years but the design is basically the same. 

--- Self promotion Warning! ----
There will be the ability to make something similar from combining some soon to be made modules from Synthwerks (a company I'm starting with some friends). We will be making a 4x4 programming module (basically a matrix of pots that can be manually addressed) and a few different manual trigger and Force Sensing Resistor modules that can be linked together to make something like the bugbrand module. A lot more flexible and quite a bit larger but in Euro format size. There was a posting on Matrix synth that shows our proposed lineup.  http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search/label/SYNTHWERKS
We also have a Facebook page with some preliminary drawings and the space for comments. I have designed a few more that haven't been posted yet that combine them into quad versions etc. These will be posted soon there. Synthwerks plans on focusing on low cost non conventional controllers. Hopefully we will be in full production by years end.
-James

thesynthwerks@gmail.com
synthwerks@me.com
www.synthwerks.com

On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Soy Sos wrote:

> To be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone copy Tom Bug's design.
> It's just that's the direction I've been wanting available
> for the type controller I would most like to use in the Euro format.
> From what I understand they're all mostly based on an article found here:
> http://www.cyndustries.com/synapse/intro.cfm
> It's very much beyond my DIY skills for now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
>

Looks like the bizz James!

On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM, <james.husted@mac.com> wrote:

>
>
> They are based on the original Serge design. There is the ineviable change
> in parts that happens over +20 years but the design is basically the same.
>
> --- Self promotion Warning! ----
> There will be the ability to make something similar from combining some
> soon to be made modules from Synthwerks (a company I'm starting with some
> friends). We will be making a 4x4 programming module (basically a matrix of
> pots that can be manually addressed) and a few different manual trigger and
> Force Sensing Resistor modules that can be linked together to make something
> like the bugbrand module. A lot more flexible and quite a bit larger but in
> Euro format size. There was a posting on Matrix synth that shows our
> proposed lineup. http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/search/label/SYNTHWERKS
> We also have a Facebook page with some preliminary drawings and the space
> for comments. I have designed a few more that haven't been posted yet that
> combine them into quad versions etc. These will be posted soon there.
> Synthwerks plans on focusing on low cost non conventional controllers.
> Hopefully we will be in full production by years end.
> -James
>
> thesynthwerks@gmail.com <thesynthwerks%40gmail.com>
> synthwerks@me.com <synthwerks%40me.com>
> www.synthwerks.com
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Soy Sos wrote:
>
> > To be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone copy Tom Bug's design.
> > It's just that's the direction I've been wanting available
> > for the type controller I would most like to use in the Euro format.
> > From what I understand they're all mostly based on an article found here:
> > http://www.cyndustries.com/synapse/intro.cfm
> > It's very much beyond my DIY skills for now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>


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Hi Bakis

> i would think that a touch keyboard with 24 plates, allighned as a two octaves keyboard, retains the 24 touch plates functionality while, additionally, providing the convenience of a chromatic keyboard, in case anyone want to use it that way in some application. so, you have best of both worlds... (touch plates plus a more standard keyboard, just in case...)
The concept shown at http://www.doepfer.de/a100tkb.htm speaks of a 
controller which can be used for both plate keyboards and conventional 
keyboards. So I think it does not make sense to copy the classic piano 
layout for the touch keyboard.
I voted with "not sure, but assumingly will buy", under my private the 
precondition, that it is NOT a classic keyboard. The bugbrand CTL1 was 
one of the most interesting modules (if not THE most interesting) I have 
seen in the last months. Especially the expressiveness provided by the 
"fir tree" shaped pads is great. It is also worth having a look at the 
instruments of folktek (http://folktek.com/) to get an impression, what 
is possible with touch plate sensors in electronic musical instruments.

Florian

hi Florian.

ok, thanks for your insight.

its up to Dieter to decide the final look / layout of the touch plates of the TK.

i would not mind if they looked like a 2 octaves keyboard or a series of touch plates. either way it will be very useful.(for me, at least).

in my opinion, having 24 plates to control 3 rows of 24 steps and having the plates define starting/ending step and step addressing plus various running modes of the analogue 24 step sequencer, it would be a very powerful tool and really useful for many applications!

thanks,
best regards,      :-)
Bakis.



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From: Florian Anwander <fanwander@mnet-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: New Poll created about the forthcoming Doepfer Touch Keyboard Sequencer project.
To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:58 AM







 



  


    
      
      
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> i would think that a touch keyboard with 24 plates, allighned as a two octaves keyboard, retains the 24 touch plates functionality while, additionally, providing the convenience of a chromatic keyboard, in case anyone want to use it that way in some application. so, you have best of both worlds... (touch plates plus a more standard keyboard, just in case...)

The concept shown at http://www.doepfer. de/a100tkb. htm speaks of a 

controller which can be used for both plate keyboards and conventional 

keyboards. So I think it does not make sense to copy the classic piano 

layout for the touch keyboard.

I voted with "not sure, but assumingly will buy", under my private the 

precondition, that it is NOT a classic keyboard. The bugbrand CTL1 was 

one of the most interesting modules (if not THE most interesting) I have 

seen in the last months. Especially the expressiveness provided by the 

"fir tree" shaped pads is great. It is also worth having a look at the 

instruments of folktek (http://folktek. com/) to get an impression, what 

is possible with touch plate sensors in electronic musical instruments.



Florian



    
     

    
    


 



  






      

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I would second that opinion, keyboard style paradigm is quite boring, I think touch controllers can be much more interesting in different styles.

Mikhail

Florian Anwander wrote:
> Hi Bakis
> 
>> i would think that a touch keyboard with 24 plates, allighned as a two octaves keyboard, retains the 24 touch plates functionality while, additionally, providing the convenience of a chromatic keyboard, in case anyone want to use it that way in some application. so, you have best of both worlds... (touch plates plus a more standard keyboard, just in case...)
> The concept shown at http://www.doepfer.de/a100tkb.htm speaks of a 
> controller which can be used for both plate keyboards and conventional 
> keyboards. So I think it does not make sense to copy the classic piano 
> layout for the touch keyboard.
> I voted with "not sure, but assumingly will buy", under my private the 
> precondition, that it is NOT a classic keyboard. The bugbrand CTL1 was 
> one of the most interesting modules (if not THE most interesting) I have 
> seen in the last months. Especially the expressiveness provided by the 
> "fir tree" shaped pads is great. It is also worth having a look at the 
> instruments of folktek (http://folktek.com/) to get an impression, what 
> is possible with touch plate sensors in electronic musical instruments.
> 
> Florian
> 

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