Doepfer

Hi

I want to get the line-level audio out from my Korg Radias and into my Doepfer modular. I have an A-119 but am disappointed with the audio quality of this module - particularly the loss of high frequencies (it is great for the gate extraction and env. following though). Will the A-183-3 amp be more suitable and of higher audio quality? 

Thanks

Richard

Have you tried both inputs on the A119? The sensitivity of the inputs is
different.





On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM, richyho@btopenworld.com <
richyho@btopenworld.com> wrote:

>
>
> Hi
>
> I want to get the line-level audio out from my Korg Radias and into my
> Doepfer modular. I have an A-119 but am disappointed with the audio quality
> of this module - particularly the loss of high frequencies (it is great for
> the gate extraction and env. following though). Will the A-183-3 amp be more
> suitable and of higher audio quality?
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
>  
>


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can you elaborate on the difference between the 2 inputs?

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM, achtung_999 <
heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

> Have you tried both inputs on the A119? The sensitivity of the inputs is
> different.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM, richyho@btopenworld.com <
> richyho@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I want to get the line-level audio out from my Korg Radias and into my
> > Doepfer modular. I have an A-119 but am disappointed with the audio
> quality
> > of this module - particularly the loss of high frequencies (it is great
> for
> > the gate extraction and env. following though). Will the A-183-3 amp be
> more
> > suitable and of higher audio quality?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Well the full size jack input is way more sensitive than the minijack input.
In my system I have 4 A119s and I tend to always use the minjack input
because it is less prone to distortion.
Rather have it unbalanced and non-distorted than balanced and overloading.



On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jonas Asher <asher.jonas@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> can you elaborate on the difference between the 2 inputs?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM, achtung_999 <
> heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com <heinrich.himmelwasser%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you tried both inputs on the A119? The sensitivity of the inputs is
> > different.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM, richyho@btopenworld.com<richyho%40btopenworld.com><
> > richyho@btopenworld.com <richyho%40btopenworld.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I want to get the line-level audio out from my Korg Radias and into my
> > > Doepfer modular. I have an A-119 but am disappointed with the audio
> > quality
> > > of this module - particularly the loss of high frequencies (it is great
> > for
> > > the gate extraction and env. following though). Will the A-183-3 amp be
> > more
> > > suitable and of higher audio quality?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> www.phaserprone.com
> falling like acid to the floor
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Oh and from the manual:


.

Asym. In

The 3.5 mm mono mini-jack socket ! is the A-119�s

unbalanced input, designed predominantly for line

level external audio signals and/or audio generated

within the A-100 system.


" Symm. In

The 6.3 mm stereo full-size jack socket " is the

A-119�s balanced input, for low level signals such as

from a microphone, electric guitar, and so on.




That might help you I hope.


Greetz


Ernst









On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:54 AM, achtung_999 <
heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well the full size jack input is way more sensitive than the minijack
> input.
> In my system I have 4 A119s and I tend to always use the minjack input
> because it is less prone to distortion.
> Rather have it unbalanced and non-distorted than balanced and overloading.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jonas Asher <asher.jonas@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> can you elaborate on the difference between the 2 inputs?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM, achtung_999 <
>> heinrich.himmelwasser@gmail.com <heinrich.himmelwasser%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Have you tried both inputs on the A119? The sensitivity of the inputs is
>> > different.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM, richyho@btopenworld.com<richyho%40btopenworld.com><
>> > richyho@btopenworld.com <richyho%40btopenworld.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hi
>> > >
>> > > I want to get the line-level audio out from my Korg Radias and into my
>> > > Doepfer modular. I have an A-119 but am disappointed with the audio
>> > quality
>> > > of this module - particularly the loss of high frequencies (it is
>> great
>> > for
>> > > the gate extraction and env. following though). Will the A-183-3 amp
>> be
>> > more
>> > > suitable and of higher audio quality?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > Richard
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> www.phaserprone.com
>> falling like acid to the floor
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>  
>>
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>


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I tried both last night with various audio levels. The inputs do both sound different, but neither sounds like the audio that's going into it. Distortion or loss of top end appears to be the choice.

I'm interested in whether the A-183-3 might do a better job at amplification. Has anyone got one and tried it on line (or headphone) level audio? Or is there a module from another euro-manufacturer that might work better?

Thanks

Rich


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, achtung_999 <heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:

>
> Oh and from the manual:
> 
> 
> .
> 
> Asym. In
> 
> The 3.5 mm mono mini-jack socket ! is the A-119's
> 
> unbalanced input, designed predominantly for line
> 
> level external audio signals and/or audio generated
> 
> within the A-100 system.
> 
> 
> " Symm. In
> 
> The 6.3 mm stereo full-size jack socket " is the
> 
> A-119's balanced input, for low level signals such as
> 
> from a microphone, electric guitar, and so on.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That might help you I hope.
> 
> 
> Greetz
> 
> 
> Ernst
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:54 AM, achtung_999 <
> heinrich.himmelwasser@...> wrote:
> 
> > Well the full size jack input is way more sensitive than the minijack
> > input.
> > In my system I have 4 A119s and I tend to always use the minjack input
> > because it is less prone to distortion.
> > Rather have it unbalanced and non-distorted than balanced and overloading.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Jonas Asher <asher.jonas@...>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> can you elaborate on the difference between the 2 inputs?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:24 PM, achtung_999 <
> >> heinrich.himmelwasser@... <heinrich.himmelwasser%40gmail.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Have you tried both inputs on the A119? The sensitivity of the inputs is
> >> > different.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM, richyho@...<richyho%40btopenworld.com><
> >> > richyho@... <richyho%40btopenworld.com>> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi
> >> > >
> >> > > I want to get the line-level audio out from my Korg Radias and into my
> >> > > Doepfer modular. I have an A-119 but am disappointed with the audio
> >> > quality
> >> > > of this module - particularly the loss of high frequencies (it is
> >> great
> >> > for
> >> > > the gate extraction and env. following though). Will the A-183-3 amp
> >> be
> >> > more
> >> > > suitable and of higher audio quality?
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > > Richard
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> www.phaserprone.com
> >> falling like acid to the floor
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>  
> >>
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> >
> 
> 
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Hello Rich

did you ever try to feed your external audio signal directly to a 
standard module like e.g. A130 VCA or A138 Mixer? How does the A100 
signal compare to the original signal there? The A138 should be the best 
possible signal an A100 can produce with your audio. The A130 should 
provide the average possible signal quality.

Maybe you expect too much from a modular system like the Doepfer A100.

And still the output impendance of your external signal might cause the 
trouble. What exactly is the source of your external audio - I mean, to 
which device belongs the socket which is connected to the input of the A100?

Florian

richyho@btopenworld.com schrieb:

> I tried both last night with various audio levels. The inputs do both sound different, but neither sounds like the audio that's going into it. Distortion or loss of top end appears to be the choice.
> 
> I'm interested in whether the A-183-3 might do a better job at amplification. Has anyone got one and tried it on line (or headphone) level audio? Or is there a module from another euro-manufacturer that might work better?

I'll try taking it into my 138 or 132-3 but I think the level will be too low. I am taking the audio output from my Korg Radias. I have tried both the line out on the back of the Korg and also the amplified headphone output from the front.

I read on Muffs that you can upgrade the A119 by changing the chip, but results seem to vary.

A-183-3 thoughts anyone? Dieter?

Cheers



--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Rich
> 
> did you ever try to feed your external audio signal directly to a 
> standard module like e.g. A130 VCA or A138 Mixer? How does the A100 
> signal compare to the original signal there? The A138 should be the best 
> possible signal an A100 can produce with your audio. The A130 should 
> provide the average possible signal quality.
> 
> Maybe you expect too much from a modular system like the Doepfer A100.
> 
> And still the output impendance of your external signal might cause the 
> trouble. What exactly is the source of your external audio - I mean, to 
> which device belongs the socket which is connected to the input of the A100?
> 
> Florian
> 
> richyho@... schrieb:
> > I tried both last night with various audio levels. The inputs do both sound different, but neither sounds like the audio that's going into it. Distortion or loss of top end appears to be the choice.
> > 
> > I'm interested in whether the A-183-3 might do a better job at amplification. Has anyone got one and tried it on line (or headphone) level audio? Or is there a module from another euro-manufacturer that might work better?
>

OK, thanks for that Florian - I will try tonight.

Rich

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Rich
> 
> > I am taking the audio output from my Korg Radias. 
> I don't own a Korg Radias, but in general the line out of a standard 
> synth should send enough signal power to go direct to any input of the A100.
> 
> Florian
>

Hi Rich

> I am taking the audio output from my Korg Radias. 
I don't own a Korg Radias, but in general the line out of a standard 
synth should send enough signal power to go direct to any input of the A100.

Florian

I changed the IC on some of mine actually.
It does not matter that much. The sound gets a bit less 'grey'.
But to be honest, I have 4 A119, I would have to look on which one I changed
the ICs.
And indeed, what Florian says is true, most standard line signals are enough
to drive the A100 system.

greetings,

Ernst



On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:20 PM, richyho@btopenworld.com <
richyho@btopenworld.com> wrote:

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>
> OK, thanks for that Florian - I will try tonight.
>
> Rich
>
>
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rich
> >
> > > I am taking the audio output from my Korg Radias.
> > I don't own a Korg Radias, but in general the line out of a standard
> > synth should send enough signal power to go direct to any input of the
> A100.
> >
> > Florian
> >
>
>  
>


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> I read on Muffs that you can upgrade the A119 by changing the chip, 
> but results seem to vary.

AFAIK the A-119 uses a TL062 which is optimized for low power 
consumption.
There are different alternatives with different specs therefore it no 
surprise that results vary. ;)
E.g. you can use a cheap TL072 which sounds slightly better.

But: If you want a real good sound you may also try a good external 
preamp.

I myself just changed swapped the TL062 for a TL072 and am ok with it 
as I process the
signal anyway and rather drastically. But I also never heard any 
'dullness' and my A-119
distorts only when I want it to.

Can anyone make audio files were they 'dullness' or distortion of a 
A-119 can be heard in comparison
with the original signal?
The 'dullness' in an A/B comparison may be the result of one of the 
signals being quieter.

Joachim