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2011-02-13 by diceman14181
Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with some modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you
2011-02-13 by Florian Anwander
Hi > Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with some modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you You have three types of potential modules 1.) Additional Audio sources. 2.) Additional modulation sources. 3.) Audioeffects which can be used after the DE. #1 is simple: either a VCO, Noise, or an A-188-1 VC-Delay for karplus-strong-stuff. The noise is to my opinion not a module which would enhance the DE very much - with the exception if you are going to make non tonal percussion sounds. #2 If you are doing sequence based music: get an A-142-2 (hopefully soon available). If you are more experimental: theremin controller, joystick controller. #3 Either one from the "distortion/waveshaper"-family A-116, A-136, A-137-1. The A137 is for sure the most powerful, but eats up more rackspace. Or a audioeffect, either the A-187-1 or a A188-1. The advantange of the A188-1 is: you can use it either as effect for flanging, chorus or short delays or as karplus strong oscillator. The A-187-1 can make the small DE much bigger (soundwise). If you have an analogue sequencer, then the A-187-1 will be gorgious. Florian
2011-02-13 by York Luethje
Hi, can you tell us a bit what kind of music you'd like to make? Do you address the DE with a keyboard or do you do sequencer-based music (Tangerine Dream). Techno? Acid? Drones? Hardcore noise? _____ Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von diceman14181 Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 04:11 An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Minicase Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with some modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-13 by diceman14181
hello, my idea is to make improvvisation/drone/noise music using the loose DE without keyboard nor sequencer and the minicase should include some effect ... --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "York Luethje" <ybl@...> wrote:
> > Hi, can you tell us a bit what kind of music you'd like to make? Do you > address the DE with a keyboard or do you do sequencer-based music (Tangerine > Dream). Techno? Acid? Drones? Hardcore noise? > > > > _____ > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im > Auftrag von diceman14181 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 04:11 > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Minicase > > > > > > Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with some > modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose > witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but > then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group > there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-02-13 by diceman14181
thank you, I will chek the modules suggested in the third item. --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <fanwander@...> wrote:
> > Hi > > > Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with some modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you > You have three types of potential modules > 1.) Additional Audio sources. > 2.) Additional modulation sources. > 3.) Audioeffects which can be used after the DE. > > > #1 is simple: either a VCO, Noise, or an A-188-1 VC-Delay for > karplus-strong-stuff. The noise is to my opinion not a module which > would enhance the DE very much - with the exception if you are going to > make non tonal percussion sounds. > > #2 If you are doing sequence based music: get an A-142-2 (hopefully soon > available). > If you are more experimental: theremin controller, joystick controller. > > #3 Either one from the "distortion/waveshaper"-family A-116, A-136, > A-137-1. The A137 is for sure the most powerful, but eats up more rackspace. > Or a audioeffect, either the A-187-1 or a A188-1. The advantange of the > A188-1 is: you can use it either as effect for flanging, chorus or > short delays or as karplus strong oscillator. > The A-187-1 can make the small DE much bigger (soundwise). If you have > an analogue sequencer, then the A-187-1 will be gorgious. > > Florian >
2011-02-13 by York Luethje
For drones another oscillator and / or VC LFO will add complexity. A noise module in combination with a (modulated) multi-mode filter is another idea but you'd also need a mixer module (if you don't have an external one). Florian's suggestions regarding the waveshapers are very good, too (as always). If you want to keep it portable I'd skip the DSP and just add a delay pedal or whatever suits your style. _____ Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von diceman14181 Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 10:00 An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Minicase hello, my idea is to make improvvisation/drone/noise music using the loose DE without keyboard nor sequencer and the minicase should include some effect ... --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , "York Luethje" <ybl@...> wrote: > > Hi, can you tell us a bit what kind of music you'd like to make? Do you > address the DE with a keyboard or do you do sequencer-based music (Tangerine > Dream). Techno? Acid? Drones? Hardcore noise? > > > > _____ > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ] Im > Auftrag von diceman14181 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 04:11 > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Minicase > > > > > > Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with some > modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose > witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but > then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group > there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2011-02-14 by andy butler
York Luethje wrote: > Florian's suggestions regarding the waveshapers are very good, too (as > always). If you want to keep it portable I'd skip the DSP and just add a > delay pedal or whatever suits your style. wouldn't you want a filter in the signal chain after a waveshaper? (at least a lo-pass) (curious) andy
2011-02-14 by Florian Anwander
andy butler schrieb:
>> Florian's suggestions regarding the waveshapers are very good, too (as
>> always). If you want to keep it portable I'd skip the DSP and just add a
>> delay pedal or whatever suits your style.
>
> wouldn't you want a filter in the signal chain after a waveshaper?
> (at least a lo-pass)
The wave shaper is a kind of opposite to a filter.
Synthesis with a VCF is based on subtracting partial waves from an
original signal which has a lot of partials.
Synthesis with a wave shaper is based on adding partial waves to an
original signal which has only a few or hasn't any partials.
The trick of the wave shaper (as with any exciter or distortion) is:
Send a dark signal into the wave shaper and control the amount of
shaping by controlling the characteristics of the input signal.
Example: It is completely boring to send the saw-tooth signal from the
VCO into the shaper:
VCO-Saw->Waveshaper->VCF
There will not be that much diffence to the original signal (at least
not that much, that it would be worth spending the money).
But sending in a sine or triangle after it has been the enveloped with
the VCA, can open up new sound worlds
VCO-Sine -> VCA -> Waveshaper
^
AD-Envelope
And even much better:
VCO-Saw -> VCF -> VCA -> Waveshaper
^ ^
slow AD-Envelope
where the VCF has high resonance. So the Shaper will shape two
frequencies: The frequency of the VCO and the cutoff frequency of the
resonating filter.
Florian2011-02-15 by diceman14181
please specify the modules reference, it will be easier for me to identify and analize them. Thank you --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "York Luethje" <ybl@...> wrote:
> > For drones another oscillator and / or VC LFO will add complexity. A noise > module in combination with a (modulated) multi-mode filter is another idea > but you'd also need a mixer module (if you don't have an external one). > > > > Florian's suggestions regarding the waveshapers are very good, too (as > always). If you want to keep it portable I'd skip the DSP and just add a > delay pedal or whatever suits your style. > > > > _____ > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im > Auftrag von diceman14181 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 10:00 > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Minicase > > > > > > hello, my idea is to make improvvisation/drone/noise music using the loose > DE without keyboard nor sequencer and the minicase should include some > effect ... > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > , "York Luethje" <ybl@> wrote: > > > > Hi, can you tell us a bit what kind of music you'd like to make? Do you > > address the DE with a keyboard or do you do sequencer-based music > (Tangerine > > Dream). Techno? Acid? Drones? Hardcore noise? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > ] Im > > Auftrag von diceman14181 > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 04:11 > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Minicase > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with > some > > modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose > > witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but > > then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group > > there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2011-02-17 by York Luethje
Please do your homework yourself. It will enable you to actually learn something. Thank you. _____ Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von diceman14181 Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Februar 2011 14:50 An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Minicase please specify the modules reference, it will be easier for me to identify and analize them. Thank you --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> , "York Luethje" <ybl@...> wrote: > > For drones another oscillator and / or VC LFO will add complexity. A noise > module in combination with a (modulated) multi-mode filter is another idea > but you'd also need a mixer module (if you don't have an external one). > > > > Florian's suggestions regarding the waveshapers are very good, too (as > always). If you want to keep it portable I'd skip the DSP and just add a > delay pedal or whatever suits your style. > > > > _____ > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> ] Im > Auftrag von diceman14181 > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 10:00 > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Minicase > > > > > > hello, my idea is to make improvvisation/drone/noise music using the loose > DE without keyboard nor sequencer and the minicase should include some > effect ... > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > , "York Luethje" <ybl@> wrote: > > > > Hi, can you tell us a bit what kind of music you'd like to make? Do you > > address the DE with a keyboard or do you do sequencer-based music > (Tangerine > > Dream). Techno? Acid? Drones? Hardcore noise? > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > ] Im > > Auftrag von diceman14181 > > Gesendet: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2011 04:11 > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Doepfer_a100%40yahoogroups.com> > > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] Minicase > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, I have a Dark Energy and I would like to create a minicase with > some > > modules to add effects to my ossillator. It is very difficoult to choose > > witch one to use. I think the noise module (A118) can be a good effect but > > then I don't know what to add to let it work properly. I saw in this group > > there are a lot of expert. I ask suggestions. Thank you > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]