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The A185-1

2015-07-05 by karelvanbezooijen@yahoo.com

About the A185-1

Maybe it's just me using the module the wrong way.

This is the setup:

A190-1 Clock Out ---> 1st A185-1 Gate In

1st A185-1 Gate Out ---> 2nd A185-1 Gate In

2nd A185-1 Gate Out ---> Intellijel Metropolis Gate In

The Metropolis (and probably other modules too) doesn't trigger well because the gate signal is too weak. I did some measurements.

A190-1 Clock Out ------ +4.1V
1st A185-1 Gate Out --- +3.4V
2nd A185-1 Gate Out --- +2.7V

Why not keep the gate signal as say +5V?

For this purpose I build myself a simple "Gate Amp". Just an idea.

Best regards,
Karel.

Re: The A185-1

2015-07-05 by karelvanbezooijen@yahoo.com

Forgot to mention this but the other Gate Outputs of both A185-1's are connected too; To A160 and A154 resp.

Re: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1

2015-07-05 by Nicholas Keller

I do not own an A-185 so I cannot compare results. I know this doesn't explain the issue or fix it, but could you use one of the trigger row outputs of the A-155 to clock the Metropolis? If you already built a dedicated gate amp, I suppose this is no longer necessary.

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On Sunday, July 5, 2015, karelvanbezooijen@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Forgot to mention this but the other Gate Outputs of both A185-1's are connected too; To A160 and A154 resp.

AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1

2015-07-06 by yahoo@doepfer.de

Module A-185-1 was designed in 1997 and at this time there were no other (or only a few) other module manufacturers on the market.
The gate section of the A-185-1 is only a buffer (nothing but a so-called emitter follower) but does not increase the gate voltage.
Rather the emitter follower lowers the voltage a bit (by about 0.7V). The A-185-1 was designed to be used with A-100 modules only
and for A-100 modules there was this rule for gate voltages: <1V means low and >3V means high. All A-100 modules that process gate
signals (especially envelope generators, clock divider, trigger delay and so on) have usually a transistor at the gate input that
requires about 1.5-2 V to trigger. But I'm aware that things have changed and we will redesign the A-185-1 so that the gate output
voltage can be set to +5V or +12V (probably by means of a jumper) and that it does no longer work as a buffer.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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> About the A185-1
>
> Maybe it's just me using the module the wrong way.
>
> This is the setup:
>
> A190-1 Clock Out ---> 1st A185-1 Gate In
>
> 1st A185-1 Gate Out ---> 2nd A185-1 Gate In
>
> 2nd A185-1 Gate Out ---> Intellijel Metropolis Gate In
>
>
> The Metropolis (and probably other modules too) doesn't trigger well because the gate signal is too weak. I did some measurements.
>
> A190-1 Clock Out ------ +4.1V
> 1st A185-1 Gate Out --- +3.4V
> 2nd A185-1 Gate Out --- +2.7V
>
> Why not keep the gate signal as say +5V?
>
> For this purpose I build myself a simple "Gate Amp". Just an idea.
>
> Best regards,
> Karel.

Re: AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1

2015-07-07 by karelvanbezooijen@yahoo.com

Thank you for your reply. At least I know I didn't do anything wrong and that my measurements were correct.

RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1

2015-07-07 by Sean Ellis

It's good that a lot of modules now have comparators on the inputs that trigger off pretty much any positive voltage. It's a luxury really but worth considering for future Deopfer modules as well.

> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:04:34 +0200
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1
>
> Module A-185-1 was designed in 1997 and at this time there were no other (or only a few) other module manufacturers on the market.
> The gate section of the A-185-1 is only a buffer (nothing but a so-called emitter follower) but does not increase the gate voltage.
> Rather the emitter follower lowers the voltage a bit (by about 0.7V). The A-185-1 was designed to be used with A-100 modules only
> and for A-100 modules there was this rule for gate voltages: <1V means low and >3V means high. All A-100 modules that process gate
> signals (especially envelope generators, clock divider, trigger delay and so on) have usually a transistor at the gate input that
> requires about 1.5-2 V to trigger. But I'm aware that things have changed and we will redesign the A-185-1 so that the gate output
> voltage can be set to +5V or +12V (probably by means of a jumper) and that it does no longer work as a buffer.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>
>
> > About the A185-1
> >
> > Maybe it's just me using the module the wrong way.
>; >
> > This is the setup:
> >
> > A190-1 Clock Out ---> 1st A185-1 Gate In
> >
> > 1st A185-1 Gate Out ---> 2nd A185-1 Gate In
> >
> > 2nd A185-1 Gate Out ---> Intellijel Metropolis Gate In
> >
> >
> > The Metropolis (and probably other modules too) doesn't trigger well because the gate signal is too weak. I did some measurements.
> >
> > A190-1 Clock Out ------ +4.1V
> > 1st A185-1 Gate Out --- +3.4V
> > 2nd A185-1 Gate Out --- +2.7V
> >
> > Why not keep the gate signal as say +5V?
> >
> > For this purpose I build myself a simple "Gate Amp". Just an idea.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Karel.
>
>
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AW: AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1

2015-07-07 by yahoo@doepfer.de

That's what the transistor inputs of the A-100 gate inputs do - although it's not exactly the same as a comparator. I.e. any
positive voltage beyond ~ +3V is treated as "high".

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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> Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Juli 2015 15:47
> An: doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: RE: AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1
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> It's good that a lot of modules now have comparators on the inputs that trigger off pretty much any positive voltage.
> It's a luxury really but worth considering for future Deopfer modules as well.
>
>
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > From: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 18:04:34 +0200
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] The A185-1
> >
> > Module A-185-1 was designed in 1997 and at this time there were no other (or only a few) other module manufacturers on
> the market.
> > The gate section of the A-185-1 is only a buffer (nothing but a so-called emitter follower) but does not increase the
> gate voltage.
> > Rather the emitter follower lowers the voltage a bit (by about 0.7V). The A-185-1 was designed to be used with A-100
> modules only
> > and for A-100 modules there was this rule for gate voltages: <1V means low and >3V means high. All A-100 modules that
> process gate
> > signals (especially envelope generators, clock divider, trigger delay and so on) have usually a transistor at the gate
> input that
> > requires about 1.5-2 V to trigger. But I'm aware that things have changed and we will redesign the A-185-1 so that the
> gate output
> > voltage can be set to +5V or +12V (probably by means of a jumper) and that it does no longer work as a buffer.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> >
> >
> > > About the A185-1
> > >
> > > Maybe it's just me using the module the wrong way.
> > >
> > > This is the setup:
> > >
> > > A190-1 Clock Out ---> 1st A185-1 Gate In
> > >
> > > 1st A185-1 Gate Out ---> 2nd A185-1 Gate In
> > >
> > > 2nd A185-1 Gate Out ---> Intellijel Metropolis Gate In
> > >
> > >
> > > The Metropolis (and probably other modules too) doesn't trigger well because the gate signal is too weak. I did some
> measurements.
> > >
> > > A190-1 Clock Out ------ +4.1V
> > > 1st A185-1 Gate Out --- +3.4V
> > > 2nd A185-1 Gate Out --- +2.7V
> > >
> > > Why not keep the gate signal as say +5V?
> > >
> > > For this purpose I build myself a simple "Gate Amp". Just an idea.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Karel.
> >
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