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Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-22 by Diego Ragnini

Hi everybody 
Hope this message finds you well

I have a couple of questions concerning the quantization options of the R2M.

Firstly, I barely focus on what would mean “quantize” in the context of continuous pitch. Does it ignore any pitch bending between the quantized values (it would be just like a tempered keyboard!) or does it keep a portamento somehow between the notes?

Secondly, I wonder whether would be possible or not to change the quantized scale via MIDI, as if the scales were presets, just like we usually do by means of program change commands…

Thanks for reading and replying..

Best wishes, 
Diego

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-22 by Neil Kagan

It does ignore pitch bending, so behaves exactly like a keyboard as you say. I don't know about the other question!

Neil

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> On 22 Jul 2017, at 10:17, Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody 
> Hope this message finds you well
> 
> I have a couple of questions concerning the quantization options of the R2M.
> 
> Firstly, I barely focus on what would mean “quantize” in the context of continuous pitch. Does it ignore any pitch bending between the quantized values (it would be just like a tempered keyboard!) or does it keep a portamento somehow between the notes?
> 
> Secondly, I wonder whether would be possible or not to change the quantized scale via MIDI, as if the scales were presets, just like we usually do by means of program change commands…
> 
> Thanks for reading and replying..
> 
> Best wishes, 
> Diego
> 
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-22 by Diego Ragnini

Thank you Neil !

As for the second question, it would be a pity if it would not be possible to change the scales via MIDI, then this feature should be implemented. As for the ribbon itself, I have been told that it is a sturdy well done amazing instrument to have under the fingers...

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> Il giorno 22 lug 2017, alle ore 11:19, Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> It does ignore pitch bending, so behaves exactly like a keyboard as you say. I don't know about the other question!
> 
> Neil
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 22 Jul 2017, at 10:17, Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr <mailto:diegora@free.fr> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:
> 
>>  
>> Hi everybody 
>> Hope this message finds you well
>> 
>> I have a couple of questions concerning the quantization options of the R2M.
>> 
>> Firstly, I barely focus on what would mean “quantize” in the context of continuous pitch. Does it ignore any pitch bending between the quantized values (it would be just like a tempered keyboard!) or does it keep a portamento somehow between the notes?
>> 
>> Secondly, I wonder whether would be possible or not to change the quantized scale via MIDI, as if the scales were presets, just like we usually do by means of program change commands…
>> 
>> Thanks for reading and replying..
>> 
>> Best wishes, 
>> Diego
>> 
> 
>

AW: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-24 by yahoo@doepfer.de

Hello,

I'm sorry - the scales cannot be changed by the customer. The hardware of
the R2M has been designed about 15 years ago and the processor used in the
R2M is not very powerful and no longer available in the meantime. Currently
the R2M is running out and we have about 50 units left (sale while stocks
last). But we are working on a redesign of the R2M with a new processor.
Maybe the redesigned version will have additional features but I cannot
promise anything. In the first place we try to find a solution for a new
hardware (mainly a new processor) to be able to continue the product.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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> Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Juli 2017 11:32
> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller -
> quantized scales
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>
> Thank you Neil !
>
>
> As for the second question, it would be a pity if it would not be
> possible to change the scales via MIDI, then this feature should
> be implemented. As for the ribbon itself, I have been told that
> it is a sturdy well done amazing instrument to have under the fingers...
>
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> Il giorno 22 lug 2017, alle ore 11:19, Neil Kagan nkagan@mac.com
> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
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>
> It does ignore pitch bending, so behaves exactly like a keyboard
> as you say. I don't know about the other question!
>
>
> Neil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22 Jul 2017, at 10:17, Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr
> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi everybody
> Hope this message finds you well
>
> I have a couple of questions concerning the quantization options
> of the R2M.
>
> Firstly, I barely focus on what would mean “quantize” in the
> context of continuous pitch. Does it ignore any pitch bending
> between the quantized values (it would be just like a tempered
> keyboard!) or does it keep a portamento somehow between the notes?
>
> Secondly, I wonder whether would be possible or not to change the
> quantized scale via MIDI, as if the scales were presets, just
> like we usually do by means of program change commands…
>
> Thanks for reading and replying..
>
> Best wishes,
> Diego
>
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-24 by Florian Anwander

Hello

I use a Sonic-Potions Penrose quantizer for my R2M 
(https://www.sonic-potions.com/penrose). Which is a great tool in this 
case, as you can add and remove notes on the fly while playing. Any 
other programmable quantizer will do it too. But of course only for the 
CV Out, not for MIDI.

Florian

Am 24.07.2017 um 10:17 schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100]:
> Hello,
>
> I'm sorry - the scales cannot be changed by the customer. The hardware of
> the R2M has been designed about 15 years ago and the processor used in the
> R2M is not very powerful and no longer available in the meantime. Currently
> the R2M is running out and we have about 50 units left (sale while stocks
> last). But we are working on a redesign of the R2M with a new processor.
> Maybe the redesigned version will have additional features but I cannot
> promise anything. In the first place we try to find a solution for a new
> hardware (mainly a new processor) to be able to continue the product.
>
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
>

-- 
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-24 by Diego Ragnini

Florian thanks, I see... MIDI of course will not be involved in quantize process, I already have the uScale II engaged for other purposes... and then I would find very useful to can navigate among the R2M scales via MIDI commands, so an Ableton Live clip, for instance, might have the scale change command exactly where due and desired.

I’ll probably better wait for the new R2M release, though I am getting excited about having the ribbon and looking forward to use it !

I go back to my first question, since I am not sure if it would make sense to keep having a kind of legato/portamento even in scales mode, or this is the further question of mine put in the wrong way !
:-) 

Best,
Diego

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> Il giorno 24 lug 2017, alle ore 12:01, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
> 
> Hello
> 
> I use a Sonic-Potions Penrose quantizer for my R2M 
> (https://www.sonic-potions.com/penrose <https://www.sonic-potions.com/penrose>). Which is a great tool in this 
> case, as you can add and remove notes on the fly while playing. Any 
> other programmable quantizer will do it too. But of course only for the 
> CV Out, not for MIDI.
> 
> Florian
> 
> Am 24.07.2017 um 10:17 schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de <mailto:yahoo@doepfer.de> [Doepfer_a100]:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm sorry - the scales cannot be changed by the customer. The hardware of
>> the R2M has been designed about 15 years ago and the processor used in the
>> R2M is not very powerful and no longer available in the meantime. Currently
>> the R2M is running out and we have about 50 units left (sale while stocks
>> last). But we are working on a redesign of the R2M with a new processor.
>> Maybe the redesigned version will have additional features but I cannot
>> promise anything. In the first place we try to find a solution for a new
>> hardware (mainly a new processor) to be able to continue the product.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Dieter Doepfer
>> 
> 
> -- 
> http://www.florian-anwander.de <http://www.florian-anwander.de/>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-24 by Florian Anwander

Am 24.07.2017 um 15:40 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
>
> I go back to my first question, since I am not sure if it would make 
> sense to keep having a kind of legato/portamento even in scales mode, 
> or this is the further question of mine put in the wrong way !
> :-)

We have to distiguish two things
Simple portamento: a scale based quantizer is like a keyboard, where you 
rip away some keys. A portamento like in a Minimoog will still work.
You do not need to modify the R2M, you simply put a slew rate limiter 
module in the CV path.

But I assume you wanted to describe with "Portamento" something 
different: You want to wiggle your finger on the ribbon and the result 
should be a vibrato; but if you move the finger further than the half of 
the next step in the scale, then the output should slide to this next 
step. Right?

If my assumption is right: very nice idea, but assumingly quite 
difficult to achieve. ;-/

-- 
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-24 by christian ienni

possible stopgap solution in the meantime for a similar effect to what Florian describes... have a quantized scale for ribbon position, then assign ribbon pressure to pitch bend or osc freq CV2 in , so you "press-wiggle" for vibrato?

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      From: "Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
 To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

    Am 24.07.2017 um 15:40 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
>
> I go back to my first question, since I am not sure if it would make 
> sense to keep having a kind of legato/portamento even in scales mode, 
> or this is the further question of mine put in the wrong way !
> :-)

We have to distiguish two things
Simple portamento: a scale based quantizer is like a keyboard, where you 
rip away some keys. A portamento like in a Minimoog will still work.
You do not need to modify the R2M, you simply put a slew rate limiter 
module in the CV path.

But I assume you wanted to describe with "Portamento" something 
different: You want to wiggle your finger on the ribbon and the result 
should be a vibrato; but if you move the finger further than the half of 
the next step in the scale, then the output should slide to this next 
step. Right?

If my assumption is right: very nice idea, but assumingly quite 
difficult to achieve. ;-/

-- 
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-24 by Diego Ragnini

Thanks everybody for participation, I missed to thank Dieter for having cleared about limits and possible further developments of the R2M.

Vibrato fx surely would be a nice feature to keep having in scale mode, though I doubt that pressure would provide the same “feel” of a “vibrating” finger on the ribbon (as it undoubtedly does while in normal mode).

What I meant is just “legato” between each couple of sequential notes involved into the scale. I have to admit that the more I consider the matter, the less it makes sense (:-) I try to explain the meaningless suggestion. English is not my language, so thanks for interpreting…

As far as I know, in normal mode the ribbon and the R2M allow to have continuous pitch, just like when we tweak on a VCO freq pot… (and yes we can have vibrato while vibrating the finger within a small portion of the ribbon). In this mode the R2M does not deliver any tempered scale, it just opens to all the audible frequency range (available at the destination unit we’re controlling through it).

What I expected to find in “scale mode” is that the R2M keeps on offering the continuous pitch movement (i.e. legato between the notes), simply ignoring, let’s say skipping all those notes which are not into the concerned scale… But this would not actually (nor logically) be possible if legato has to be obtained…! Let’s take the easiest example: a major scale. In order to have legato between the 2nd and 3rd major, the finger necessarily has to pass through the 3rd minor… So no way. I likely have to deepen the Boolean logic!

Sorry for having raised a meaningless question. It also happens that sometimes I feel I want to play guitar as if I were left handed…

By the way, I am going to order the ribbon anyway.

Best wishes,
Diego

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> Il giorno 24 lug 2017, alle ore 19:42, christian ienni ienni23@yahoo.com [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> possible stopgap solution in the meantime for a similar effect to what Florian describes... have a quantized scale for ribbon position, then assign ribbon pressure to pitch bend or osc freq CV2 in , so you "press-wiggle" for vibrato?
> 
> 
> From: "Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de <mailto:fanwander@mnet-online.de> [Doepfer_a100]" <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>>
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> 
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales
> 
>  
> Am 24.07.2017 um 15:40 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr <mailto:diegora@free.fr> [Doepfer_a100]:
> >
> > I go back to my first question, since I am not sure if it would make 
> > sense to keep having a kind of legato/portamento even in scales mode, 
> > or this is the further question of mine put in the wrong way !
> > :-)
> 
> We have to distiguish two things
> Simple portamento: a scale based quantizer is like a keyboard, where you 
> rip away some keys. A portamento like in a Minimoog will still work.
> You do not need to modify the R2M, you simply put a slew rate limiter 
> module in the CV path.
> 
> But I assume you wanted to describe with "Portamento" something 
> different: You want to wiggle your finger on the ribbon and the result 
> should be a vibrato; but if you move the finger further than the half of 
> the next step in the scale, then the output should slide to this next 
> step. Right?
> 
> If my assumption is right: very nice idea, but assumingly quite 
> difficult to achieve. ;-/
> 
> -- 
> http://www.florian-anwander.de <http://www.florian-anwander.de/>
> 
> 
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-25 by Florian Anwander

Hi Diego

Am 24.07.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100]:
> continuous pitch movement (i.e. legato between the notes),

I think the problem of your explanation is, that you mismatch wordings.

Legato is not a wording to describe pitch changes! The easiest 
explanation is given with CV and Gate. "Legato" means: CV changes in 
steps while the Gate still is high. "Continous pitch movement" means, 
that there are no steps in the change of the CV, but it does not say, 
whether the Gate is high or low.

So again the question: what do you want? Continous pitch change or 
stepped pitch changes with no gate interruption?


Florian

-- 
http://www.florian-anwander.de

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-25 by Diego Ragnini

Florian thanks for clarifying this aspect, as usual you’re very precise. 
Indeed, legato doesn’t exactly match the meaning… but it’s not that far. I used the term legato referring (in my mind) to any possible physical instruments closer to the ribbon: a fretless keyboard, the likes of a double bass keyboard. In that case, legato performs a continuous pitch slide (faster or slower, according to desired effect) from one (fretless) step to the next (fretless) step. And of course, the gate is necessarily high, just like it is high when the same action is performed on the ribbon.

By the way, as discovered by myself in the last paragraph of my previous message, there’s no (logical) way to have both the above mentioned feature (call it legato, continuous pitch slide…) and a given quantized scale “at the same time”. 

Again, sorry for having raised an illogical issue…

Best wishes,
dxx

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> Il giorno 25 lug 2017, alle ore 09:50, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
> 
> Hi Diego
> 
> Am 24.07.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr <mailto:diegora@free.fr> [Doepfer_a100]:
> > continuous pitch movement (i.e. legato between the notes),
> 
> I think the problem of your explanation is, that you mismatch wordings.
> 
> Legato is not a wording to describe pitch changes! The easiest 
> explanation is given with CV and Gate. "Legato" means: CV changes in 
> steps while the Gate still is high. "Continous pitch movement" means, 
> that there are no steps in the change of the CV, but it does not say, 
> whether the Gate is high or low.
> 
> So again the question: what do you want? Continous pitch change or 
> stepped pitch changes with no gate interruption?
> 
> Florian
> 
> -- 
> http://www.florian-anwander.de <http://www.florian-anwander.de/>
> 
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-25 by Diego Ragnini

Or maybe, glissando would better mean..?
It’s not that important anyway.. cheers

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> Il giorno 25 lug 2017, alle ore 10:38, Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
> 
> Florian thanks for clarifying this aspect, as usual you’re very precise. 
> 
> Indeed, legato doesn’t exactly match the meaning… but it’s not that far. I used the term legato referring (in my mind) to any possible physical instruments closer to the ribbon: a fretless keyboard, the likes of a double bass keyboard. In that case, legato performs a continuous pitch slide (faster or slower, according to desired effect) from one (fretless) step to the next (fretless) step. And of course, the gate is necessarily high, just like it is high when the same action is performed on the ribbon.
> 
> By the way, as discovered by myself in the last paragraph of my previous message, there’s no (logical) way to have both the above mentioned feature (call it legato, continuous pitch slide…) and a given quantized scale “at the same time”. 
> 
> Again, sorry for having raised an illogical issue…
> 
> Best wishes,
> dxx
> 
> 
>> Il giorno 25 lug 2017, alle ore 09:50, Florian Anwander fanwander@mnet-online.de <mailto:fanwander@mnet-online.de> [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>> ha scritto:
>> 
>> Hi Diego
>> 
>> Am 24.07.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr <mailto:diegora@free.fr> [Doepfer_a100]:
>> > continuous pitch movement (i.e. legato between the notes),
>> 
>> I think the problem of your explanation is, that you mismatch wordings.
>> 
>> Legato is not a wording to describe pitch changes! The easiest 
>> explanation is given with CV and Gate. "Legato" means: CV changes in 
>> steps while the Gate still is high. "Continous pitch movement" means, 
>> that there are no steps in the change of the CV, but it does not say, 
>> whether the Gate is high or low.
>> 
>> So again the question: what do you want? Continous pitch change or 
>> stepped pitch changes with no gate interruption?
>> 
>> Florian
>> 
>> -- 
>> http://www.florian-anwander.de <http://www.florian-anwander.de/>
>> 
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2017-07-25 by yahoo@doepfer.de

You probably mix up the terms legato and portamento (or glide or slew) ? The
term for the "continuous pitch slide" is portamento. Legato (i.e. gate
permanent "on" in the modular world) can be combined with or without
portamento/glide/slew. To be honest I don't know what's the difference
between portamento and glissando.

Best wishes
Dieter Doepfer

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> Florian thanks for clarifying this aspect, as usual you’re very precise.
> Indeed, legato doesn’t exactly match the meaning… but it’s not
> that far. I used the term legato referring (in my mind) to any
> possible physical instruments closer to the ribbon: a fretless
> keyboard, the likes of a double bass keyboard. In that case,
> legato performs a continuous pitch slide (faster or slower,
> according to desired effect) from one (fretless) step to the next
> (fretless) step. And of course, the gate is necessarily high,
> just like it is high when the same action is performed on the ribbon.
>
>
> By the way, as discovered by myself in the last paragraph of my
> previous message, there’s no (logical) way to have both the above
> mentioned feature (call it legato, continuous pitch slide…) and a
> given quantized scale “at the same time”.
>
>
> Again, sorry for having raised an illogical issue…
>
>
> Best wishes,
> dxx
>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno 25 lug 2017, alle ore 09:50, Florian Anwander
> fanwander@mnet-online.de [Doepfer_a100]
> <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
>
>
> Hi Diego
>
> Am 24.07.2017 um 20:28 schrieb Diego Ragnini diegora@free.fr
> [Doepfer_a100]:
> > continuous pitch movement (i.e. legato between the notes),
>
> I think the problem of your explanation is, that you mismatch wordings.
>
> Legato is not a wording to describe pitch changes! The easiest
> explanation is given with CV and Gate. "Legato" means: CV changes in
> steps while the Gate still is high. "Continous pitch movement" means,
> that there are no steps in the change of the CV, but it does not say,
> whether the Gate is high or low.
>
> So again the question: what do you want? Continous pitch change or
> stepped pitch changes with no gate interruption?
>
> Florian
>
> --
> http://www.florian-anwander.de
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-25 by Florian Anwander

Am 25.07.2017 um 10:57 schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100]:
> To be honest I don't know what's the difference
> between portamento and glissando.
Glissando is playing all the half notes between source note and target 
note without slew. Glissando is when you slide your thumb over a piano 
keyboard.

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AW: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-25 by yahoo@doepfer.de

I see ! Seems that it's explained in the wrong way on Wikipedia by means of
a trombone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glissando

But actually I did not want to go deeper into these terms ...

Best wishes
Dieter

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> quantized scales
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> Am 25.07.2017 um 10:57 schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100]:
> > To be honest I don't know what's the difference
> > between portamento and glissando.
> Glissando is playing all the half notes between source note and target
> note without slew. Glissando is when you slide your thumb over a piano
> keyboard.
>
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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller - quantized scales

2017-07-25 by Diego Ragnini

Yes indeed… I neither meant to deepen these terms, though any focus is always welcome to, even if a bit hi-jacked from the initial topic.. Moreover, I own a degree in history and philosophy, as well as a master archive science, music theory is not in my cv, I never studied it! Music merely helps me to compensate the rationality efforts involved in the readings. 

Although, I do believe that the Trombone example found in Wikipedia is the correct one. The true glissando is the one performed by human voice, fretless instruments (cello, violin…) and the trombone itself.

As for the original matter in this post, I definitely got that, if a quantization is applied (a scale is set), then there’s no (logical) way to have continuous pitch within the scale intervals. Aut-aut: Or-Or. It’s the Boolean logic that I have to deepen! :-)

Thanks everybody for participation..

Best,

Diego

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> Il giorno 25 lug 2017, alle ore 11:50, yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100] <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com> ha scritto:
> 
> I see ! Seems that it's explained in the wrong way on Wikipedia by means of
> a trombone:
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glissando
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> But actually I did not want to go deeper into these terms ...
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> Best wishes
> Dieter
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>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com]
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Juli 2017 11:28
>> An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
>> Betreff: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Doepfer R2M V2 Midi Ribbon Controller -
>> quantized scales
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>> Am 25.07.2017 um 10:57 schrieb yahoo@doepfer.de [Doepfer_a100]:
>>> To be honest I don't know what's the difference
>>> between portamento and glissando.
>> Glissando is playing all the half notes between source note and target
>> note without slew. Glissando is when you slide your thumb over a piano
>> keyboard.
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