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>I was thinking more like 3 A160s and 3 A161s or something to use with the
>A154... that should be able to produce a bit of everything... I thing the
>A155 is so big i size =)

Ya, but once you add CV sources , VCA's, and cv mixers to do what the A155 
does you've taken up a lot of space. :) and a lot of money

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I wasn't think so much about money this time, but more in aspekts like there
will be stuff in the a155 that the a154 will do and thus be obsolete, that
seems off to me. And vca's and stuff can be used more flexibly =)


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To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] a154 ideas


>
> >I was thinking more like 3 A160s and 3 A161s or something to use with the
> >A154... that should be able to produce a bit of everything... I thing the
> >A155 is so big i size =)
>
> Ya, but once you add CV sources , VCA's, and cv mixers to do what the A155
> does you've taken up a lot of space. :) and a lot of money
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hi adreas,
that's totally wrong...the a154 is a sequencer
controller.the a155 is a sequencer.they need each
other :-)
the a154 controlls the a155.so,what you are saying
doesn't really make sense...(the only thing that the
a155 and the a154 share is the control
board/section.but the a154 control section is much
more advanced!
so,you use the a154 to control the a155.
bakis.


--- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
wrote:
> I wasn't think so much about money this time, but
> more in aspekts like there
> will be stuff in the a155 that the a154 will do and
> thus be obsolete, that
> seems off to me. And vca's and stuff can be used
> more flexibly =)
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Collins" <ksoze604@hotmail.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] a154 ideas
> 
> 
> >
> > >I was thinking more like 3 A160s and 3 A161s or
> something to use with the
> > >A154... that should be able to produce a bit of
> everything... I thing the
> > >A155 is so big i size =)
> >
> > Ya, but once you add CV sources , VCA's, and cv
> mixers to do what the A155
> > does you've taken up a lot of space. :) and a lot
> of money
> >
> >
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Still they share they control board section which to me sounds like there
will be a piece of hardware that only will use up power from the
systembus... But on the other hand it is of course nice to have some kind of
add-on to the a155. This is not so much a practical aspect of the matter as
a philosophical one. To me modular concept is all about being able to use
everything in combination with everything else. So units like the coffe cup
and such prefab solutions that goes in the way "mostly people use a VCO,
FILTER and ADSR so let bundle them" isn't as much to my liking as separate
parts like the a160s separate concept.

Perhaps I have had enough of "one box solutions" with the regelwerk;) If
there is just one or two things missing it will end up a dead end since
upgrades will never come due to the amount of modifications that has to be
made.



----- Original Message -----

From: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] a154 ideas


> hi adreas,
> that's totally wrong...the a154 is a sequencer
> controller.the a155 is a sequencer.they need each
> other :-)
> the a154 controlls the a155.so,what you are saying
> doesn't really make sense...(the only thing that the
> a155 and the a154 share is the control
> board/section.but the a154 control section is much
> more advanced!
> so,you use the a154 to control the a155.
> bakis.
>
>
> --- Andreas Lindholm <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com>
> wrote:
> > I wasn't think so much about money this time, but
> > more in aspekts like there
> > will be stuff in the a155 that the a154 will do and
> > thus be obsolete, that
> > seems off to me. And vca's and stuff can be used
> > more flexibly =)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Collins" <ksoze604@hotmail.com>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] a154 ideas
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >I was thinking more like 3 A160s and 3 A161s or
> > something to use with the
> > > >A154... that should be able to produce a bit of
> > everything... I thing the
> > > >A155 is so big i size =)
> > >
> > > Ya, but once you add CV sources , VCA's, and cv
> > mixers to do what the A155
> > > does you've taken up a lot of space. :) and a lot
> > of money
> > >
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On 2/8/03 12:54 AM, "Andreas Lindholm" <andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com> wrote:

> Still they share they control board section which to me sounds like there
> will be a piece of hardware that only will use up power from the
> systembus... But on the other hand it is of course nice to have some kind of
> add-on to the a155. This is not so much a practical aspect of the matter as
> a philosophical one. To me modular concept is all about being able to use
> everything in combination with everything else. So units like the coffe cup
> and such prefab solutions that goes in the way "mostly people use a VCO,
> FILTER and ADSR so let bundle them" isn't as much to my liking as separate
> parts like the a160s separate concept.
> 
> Perhaps I have had enough of "one box solutions" with the regelwerk;) If
> there is just one or two things missing it will end up a dead end since
> upgrades will never come due to the amount of modifications that has to be
> made.


I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the section of the a155 not being
used is troublesome. What about the people who don't own a a155 already? To
use the a154 they have to buy a unit which has a section they will *never*
use unless they pull the modules and move some ribbon cables around. It
should go completely modular. Clocking modules, pot banks, gate bank
switches and analog switch modules (for multiple pot banks). Make them so
the clock modules count to high numbers so you can have multiple pot/switch
banks. Mix and match, and more importantly - *expand* - as you need or want.
Still sell the one module solution, the a155. The new clock modules will
work with it for those that want to redo ribbon cables. That way you offer
cheap to make variations. The circuitry that drives a 2-bank w/gate
switches, 3-bank pot array without, and a 4-bank pot array is not that
different, the PCBs could be modular with shared identical boards cutting
down production cost.
It is too bad that the address lines between clock and pot bank boards has
to be a ribbon connector. It would be great to make that patchable too. The
connectors would be fairly expensive. Ribbon cables can be configured into
busses so easily also. Maybe there is a way to make a ribbon robust enough
to allow patching, but I would assume most users would buy and arrange one
configuration and just add different "sequencer family" modules to it, not
re-configure it all the time.
I tell you this, if Doepfer doesn't make pot bank and switch bank modules to
sell along side the A154, someone else surely will! It sure wouldn't be hard
to do circuit wise. I've cloned the Oberheim sequencer a couple of times in
the past. A pot bank is the easiest part. The fancy clock stuff is the
hardest to lay a pcb out for.

-- 
James Husted
The ErsatZ Planet Graphics & Sound
james@ersatzplanet.com
www.ersatzplanet.com

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted" 
<james@e...> wrote:

> 
> I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the section of the 
a155 not being
> used is troublesome.


well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken, looking at my 
a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting to an a154, 
(start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big deal?   

imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to a 155 is 
negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face plate area.. 
was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of adding an 
a154 far outweigh this loss. 

i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of features-per-sq-inch 
as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module (only when 
combined w an expander module) is not a problem.  

however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP space i may 
think differently.  

the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w the unused 
control section will not give you any HP space.  the glide ouputs 
and s&h outputs are positioned right below the would-be 'dead' 
control section. 

-psm

On 2/8/03 11:19 AM, "ps_minor <pscottm@hotmail.com>" <pscottm@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted"
> <james@e...> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the section of the
> a155 not being
>> used is troublesome.
> 
> 
> well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken, looking at my
> a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting to an a154,
> (start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big deal?
> 
> imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to a 155 is
> negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face plate area..
> was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of adding an
> a154 far outweigh this loss.

I'm thinking more of electronics not being used. The electronics that
convert these inputs are not necessary if an external counter module is
used. These cost money. I think the A155 without the added unused
electronics that make up it's clock/reset circuitry and pcb would be cheaper
to make. Jacks and switches and the labor to mount them all cost more than
they do for just raw parts. Holes alone cost money. I used to design
metalwork for a pro audio company and every punch cost money, especially at
low quantities. The cost of the jacks a switches alone must be a couple of
dollars. Just look at the cost of a A180 or A181 and they have no
electronics.
> 
> i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of features-per-sq-inch
> as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module (only when
> combined w an expander module) is not a problem.
> 
> however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP space i may
> think differently.
> 
> the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w the unused
> control section will not give you any HP space.  the glide ouputs
> and s&h outputs are positioned right below the would-be 'dead'
> control section. 
 
As far as space is concerned, remove these 4 jacks. Move the scale, glide
and range blocks down, move the trigger outputs above the glide pots, turn
the jacks for the glide/scale blocks into a single row and you have
shortened the unit by the width of the last row of jacks and start stop etc.
switches. But this is not the point anyway, I said to leave this unit alone
and still sell it as is. I suggest to make a *new* pot bank modules with
different layouts, 4 rows of pots (a 4x8 and a 2x16 version?) three rows, 16
. And a trigger module with 4 or more rows of toggle switches in a *much*
narrower module (so you can do 32 beat patterns). Things like this. I've
heard talk of the A154, but nothing of other versions of the A155.

-James

-- 
James Husted
The ErsatZ Planet Graphics & Sound
james@ersatzplanet.com
www.ersatzplanet.com

Wether it is a big deal or not doesn't really concern me here. I think you
guys are beeing unessecary defensive, it almost reads out to me that you are
selling off your a155s and don't want them to drop in value or something. I
was just adressing this from a point of curiosity since I am about to blow
off the dust from my a100 and start making some music again and perhaps
expand it with a couple of switches. The a155 has always struck me as too
much in one box. On the other hand I find the a154 more to my liking. But in
the end of it all it is just a matter of personal taste.

Hey it's about music in the end, one mans crap and off tune singing is loved
by millions of Swedes and hated by just as many, there is no right or wrong
=)



----- Original Message -----
From: "James Husted" <james@ersatzplanet.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: a154 ideas


> On 2/8/03 11:19 AM, "ps_minor <pscottm@hotmail.com>" <pscottm@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted"
> > <james@e...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the section of the
> > a155 not being
> >> used is troublesome.
> >
> >
> > well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken, looking at my
> > a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting to an a154,
> > (start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big deal?
> >
> > imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to a 155 is
> > negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face plate area..
> > was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of adding an
> > a154 far outweigh this loss.
>
> I'm thinking more of electronics not being used. The electronics that
> convert these inputs are not necessary if an external counter module is
> used. These cost money. I think the A155 without the added unused
> electronics that make up it's clock/reset circuitry and pcb would be
cheaper
> to make. Jacks and switches and the labor to mount them all cost more than
> they do for just raw parts. Holes alone cost money. I used to design
> metalwork for a pro audio company and every punch cost money, especially
at
> low quantities. The cost of the jacks a switches alone must be a couple of
> dollars. Just look at the cost of a A180 or A181 and they have no
> electronics.
> >
> > i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of features-per-sq-inch
> > as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module (only when
> > combined w an expander module) is not a problem.
> >
> > however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP space i may
> > think differently.
> >
> > the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w the unused
> > control section will not give you any HP space.  the glide ouputs
> > and s&h outputs are positioned right below the would-be 'dead'
> > control section.
>
> As far as space is concerned, remove these 4 jacks. Move the scale, glide
> and range blocks down, move the trigger outputs above the glide pots, turn
> the jacks for the glide/scale blocks into a single row and you have
> shortened the unit by the width of the last row of jacks and start stop
etc.
> switches. But this is not the point anyway, I said to leave this unit
alone
> and still sell it as is. I suggest to make a *new* pot bank modules with
> different layouts, 4 rows of pots (a 4x8 and a 2x16 version?) three rows,
16

> . And a trigger module with 4 or more rows of toggle switches in a *much*
> narrower module (so you can do 32 beat patterns). Things like this. I've
> heard talk of the A154, but nothing of other versions of the A155.
>
> -James
>
> --
> James Husted
> The ErsatZ Planet Graphics & Sound
> james@ersatzplanet.com
> www.ersatzplanet.com
>
>
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I don't know, Andreas.  I really don't know how you come to these
conclusions.  My feeling is that, if anything, the A-154 makes the A-155
better and more valuable and makes people with A-155s want more of them, and
people without A-155s to crave them.

The idea that the A-155 has too much in it is strange to me.  If anything,
I'd like it to have another row of pots, a switchable step-skip function, a
switchable reset function (rather than using up a trigger), and a built-in
VC clock.  I'm delighted with what the A-154 is adding to it, and I could
absolutely care less that a couple of inches of stuff on the A-155 won't be
in use when in conjunction with the A-154.  The kinds of purely modular
discrete sequencing functions you want are available from Analogue Solutions
already, and may be worth a look for you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Lindholm [mailto:andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 3:54 PM
> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: a154 ideas
>
>
> Wether it is a big deal or not doesn't really concern me here. I think you
> guys are beeing unessecary defensive, it almost reads out to me
> that you are
> selling off your a155s and don't want them to drop in value or
> something. I
> was just adressing this from a point of curiosity since I am about to blow
> off the dust from my a100 and start making some music again and perhaps
> expand it with a couple of switches. The a155 has always struck me as too
> much in one box. On the other hand I find the a154 more to my
> liking. But in
> the end of it all it is just a matter of personal taste.
>
> Hey it's about music in the end, one mans crap and off tune
> singing is loved
> by millions of Swedes and hated by just as many, there is no
> right or wrong
> =)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Husted" <james@ersatzplanet.com>
> To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: a154 ideas
>
>
> > On 2/8/03 11:19 AM, "ps_minor <pscottm@hotmail.com>"
> <pscottm@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted"
> > > <james@e...> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the section of the
> > > a155 not being
> > >> used is troublesome.
> > >
> > >
> > > well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken, looking at my
> > > a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting to an a154,
> > > (start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big deal?
> > >
> > > imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to a 155 is
> > > negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face plate area..
> > > was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of adding an
> > > a154 far outweigh this loss.
> >
> > I'm thinking more of electronics not being used. The electronics that
> > convert these inputs are not necessary if an external counter module is
> > used. These cost money. I think the A155 without the added unused
> > electronics that make up it's clock/reset circuitry and pcb would be
> cheaper
> > to make. Jacks and switches and the labor to mount them all
> cost more than
> > they do for just raw parts. Holes alone cost money. I used to design
> > metalwork for a pro audio company and every punch cost money, especially
> at
> > low quantities. The cost of the jacks a switches alone must be
> a couple of
> > dollars. Just look at the cost of a A180 or A181 and they have no
> > electronics.
> > >
> > > i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of features-per-sq-inch
> > > as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module (only when
> > > combined w an expander module) is not a problem.
> > >
> > > however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP space i may
> > > think differently.
> > >
> > > the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w the unused
> > > control section will not give you any HP space.  the glide ouputs
> > > and s&h outputs are positioned right below the would-be 'dead'
> > > control section.
> >
> > As far as space is concerned, remove these 4 jacks. Move the
> scale, glide
> > and range blocks down, move the trigger outputs above the glide
> pots, turn
> > the jacks for the glide/scale blocks into a single row and you have
> > shortened the unit by the width of the last row of jacks and start stop
> etc.
> > switches. But this is not the point anyway, I said to leave this unit
> alone
> > and still sell it as is. I suggest to make a *new* pot bank modules with
> > different layouts, 4 rows of pots (a 4x8 and a 2x16 version?)
> three rows,
> 16
> > . And a trigger module with 4 or more rows of toggle switches
> in a *much*
> > narrower module (so you can do 32 beat patterns). Things like this. I've
> > heard talk of the A154, but nothing of other versions of the A155.
> >
> > -James
> >
> > --
> > James Husted
> > The ErsatZ Planet Graphics & Sound
> > james@ersatzplanet.com
> > www.ersatzplanet.com
> >
> >
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Yes, AS make some very good modules, and some that are way too huge for me
too ;)

Well... it wasn't so much a conclusion as a feeling that I got really. I am
glad you like the features since you have the a155 and will use it.




----- Original Message -----
From: "unknown freak" <cgraef@nyc.rr.com>
To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 11:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: a154 ideas


> I don't know, Andreas.  I really don't know how you come to these
> conclusions.  My feeling is that, if anything, the A-154 makes the A-155
> better and more valuable and makes people with A-155s want more of them,
and
> people without A-155s to crave them.
>
> The idea that the A-155 has too much in it is strange to me.  If anything,
> I'd like it to have another row of pots, a switchable step-skip function,
a
> switchable reset function (rather than using up a trigger), and a built-in
> VC clock.  I'm delighted with what the A-154 is adding to it, and I could
> absolutely care less that a couple of inches of stuff on the A-155 won't
be
> in use when in conjunction with the A-154.  The kinds of purely modular
> discrete sequencing functions you want are available from Analogue
Solutions
> already, and may be worth a look for you.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andreas Lindholm [mailto:andreas.k.lindholm@telia.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 3:54 PM
> > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: a154 ideas
> >
> >
> > Wether it is a big deal or not doesn't really concern me here. I think
you
> > guys are beeing unessecary defensive, it almost reads out to me
> > that you are
> > selling off your a155s and don't want them to drop in value or
> > something. I
> > was just adressing this from a point of curiosity since I am about to
blow
> > off the dust from my a100 and start making some music again and perhaps
> > expand it with a couple of switches. The a155 has always struck me as
too
> > much in one box. On the other hand I find the a154 more to my
> > liking. But in
> > the end of it all it is just a matter of personal taste.
> >
> > Hey it's about music in the end, one mans crap and off tune
> > singing is loved
> > by millions of Swedes and hated by just as many, there is no
> > right or wrong
> > =)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Husted" <james@ersatzplanet.com>
> > To: <Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: a154 ideas
> >
> >
> > > On 2/8/03 11:19 AM, "ps_minor <pscottm@hotmail.com>"
> > <pscottm@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted"
> > > > <james@e...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the section of the
> > > > a155 not being
> > > >> used is troublesome.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken, looking at my
> > > > a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting to an a154,
> > > > (start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big deal?
> > > >
> > > > imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to a 155 is
> > > > negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face plate area..
> > > > was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of adding an
> > > > a154 far outweigh this loss.
> > >
> > > I'm thinking more of electronics not being used. The electronics that
> > > convert these inputs are not necessary if an external counter module
is
> > > used. These cost money. I think the A155 without the added unused
> > > electronics that make up it's clock/reset circuitry and pcb would be
> > cheaper
> > > to make. Jacks and switches and the labor to mount them all
> > cost more than
> > > they do for just raw parts. Holes alone cost money. I used to design
> > > metalwork for a pro audio company and every punch cost money,
especially
> > at
> > > low quantities. The cost of the jacks a switches alone must be
> > a couple of
> > > dollars. Just look at the cost of a A180 or A181 and they have no
> > > electronics.
> > > >
> > > > i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of features-per-sq-inch
> > > > as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module (only when
> > > > combined w an expander module) is not a problem.
> > > >
> > > > however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP space i may
> > > > think differently.
> > > >
> > > > the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w the unused
> > > > control section will not give you any HP space.  the glide ouputs
> > > > and s&h outputs are positioned right below the would-be 'dead'
> > > > control section.
> > >
> > > As far as space is concerned, remove these 4 jacks. Move the
> > scale, glide
> > > and range blocks down, move the trigger outputs above the glide
> > pots, turn
> > > the jacks for the glide/scale blocks into a single row and you have
> > > shortened the unit by the width of the last row of jacks and start
stop
> > etc.
> > > switches. But this is not the point anyway, I said to leave this unit
> > alone
> > > and still sell it as is. I suggest to make a *new* pot bank modules
with
> > > different layouts, 4 rows of pots (a 4x8 and a 2x16 version?)
> > three rows,
> > 16
> > > . And a trigger module with 4 or more rows of toggle switches
> > in a *much*
> > > narrower module (so you can do 32 beat patterns). Things like this.
I've

> > > heard talk of the A154, but nothing of other versions of the A155.
> > >
> > > -James
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Husted
> > > The ErsatZ Planet Graphics & Sound
> > > james@ersatzplanet.com
> > > www.ersatzplanet.com
> > >
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hello psm,
i agree with you 100%.
bakis.


--- "ps_minor <pscottm@hotmail.com>"
<pscottm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted" 
> <james@e...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the
> section of the 
> a155 not being
> > used is troublesome.
> 
> 
> well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken,
> looking at my 
> a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting
> to an a154, 
> (start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big
> deal?   
> 
> imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to
> a 155 is 
> negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face
> plate area.. 
> was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of
> adding an 
> a154 far outweigh this loss. 
> 
> i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of
> features-per-sq-inch 
> as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module
> (only when 
> combined w an expander module) is not a problem.  
> 
> however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP
> space i may 
> think differently.  
> 
> the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w
> the unused 
> control section will not give you any HP space.  the
> glide ouputs 
> and s&h outputs are positioned right below the
> would-be 'dead' 
> control section. 
> 
> -psm
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 


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another positive point is the ability to use the A155 as a stand 
alone multi-segment envelope generator in one shot mode. you could 
use the A147 as a tracking lfo from the keyboard voltage to scale the 
envelope shape and the keyboard gate to reset it's initial start 
point.

RM


--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> hello psm,
> i agree with you 100%.
> bakis.
> 
> 
> --- "ps_minor <pscottm@h...>"
> <pscottm@h...> wrote:
> > --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "James Husted" 
> > <james@e...> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I agree with this 100%. The idea of having the
> > section of the 
> > a155 not being
> > > used is troublesome.
> > 
> > 
> > well, i see your point but unless i'm mistaken,
> > looking at my 
> > a155, only 4 sockets will be disabled by connecting
> > to an a154, 
> > (start, stop, clock, and reset).  what's the big
> > deal?   
> > 
> > imho, the amount of space wasted by adding a 154 to
> > a 155 is 
> > negligible, 2 sq inches (approx 14 sq cm) of face
> > plate area.. 
> > was curious so i measured.   to me, the new gains of
> > adding an 
> > a154 far outweigh this loss. 
> > 
> > i think the a100 as a whole is a marvel of
> > features-per-sq-inch 
> > as it is, so this loss of 4 sockets on one module
> > (only when 
> > combined w an expander module) is not a problem.  
> > 
> > however, if this issue caused loss of potential HP
> > space i may 
> > think differently.  
> > 
> > the way i see it, shortening the a155 to do away w
> > the unused 
> > control section will not give you any HP space.  the
> > glide ouputs 
> > and s&h outputs are positioned right below the
> > would-be 'dead' 
> > control section. 
> > 
> > -psm
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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