Doepfer

--- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@doepfer.de> wrote:
> From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@doepfer.de>
> To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@yahoo.com>
> Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] 3.5mm patchbay?
> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:07:29 +0200
> 
> Please forward ......
> 
> > -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: dustin_l_mosley
> [mailto:dustinmosley@hotmail.com]
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2003 22:29
> > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] 3.5mm patchbay?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >   Does anyone know of a company that makes a
> patchbay with
> > mono 3.5mm connections on the front to help
> integrate other
> > pieces of gear to your a-100?  I have a few A-181s
> (the mult with
> > the adapter from 1/4") but it's slow and a pain to
> use with gear
> > with connections on the back.  Any ideas or
> solutions?
> >   Thanks
> >   Dustin
> 
> We have built such a patchbay for our own
> applications (19" / 1HU / 2 x 20
> 3.5mm sockets front + rear), especially for
> demonstration of
> MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk during music fairs,
> workshops and so on. We connect
> the CV/Gate outputs of MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk at
> the rear side and have
> the signals then available at the front too to patch
> them to the A-100
> system. We asked visitors of fairs/workshops if they
> would be interested in
> such a patchbay but found that there are not
> sufficient inquiries.
> 
> We could manufacture this patchbay if there are
> sufficient orders. But the
> device is not low cost. 80 jack sockets have to be 
> soldered to the pc board
> and mounted to the 19" front panel. In small
> quantities (~50) the price will
> be around 150 Euro (80 jack sockets 1 Euro each + 5
> pc boards + 19"/1HU
> front panel + charges for punching the holes,
> lacquer of the front panel,
> soldering, assembly and test).
> 
> But as nobody was interested in this patchbay so far
> - maybe because of the
> price - we did not offer it. Alternatively we could
> offer only the
> stamped/laquered front panel without sockets and pcb
> at a much lower price
> (~ 20..25 Euro). In this case the customer will have
> to assemble the jack
> sockets himself.
> 
> Best wishes
> Dieter Doepfer
> 


=====
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athens-greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner

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150 Euros would be about a 50% premium over the cost of an 
equivalent 1/4" patchbay (e.g. Behringer Ultrapatch Pro, 2 X 24) 
which is high but not terribly unreasonable considering the product 
doesn't exist anywhere else.

The topic comes up frequently enough in this group to make me think 
that there's a reasonable demand for it. The fact that Doepfer has 
built one for themselves for use with MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk 
ought to be a big clue that the rest of us have the same kind of 
need.

The "build-it-yourself" ideas isn't bad, but I'd prefer a box/front 
panel assembly so I could use panel-mount jacks front and rear, 
instead of PCB-mount jacks, which I think would be easier to deal 
with.

Another possibility would be to offer a 19" 1U "combination" module to 
make it more marketable and bury the cost of the patchbay. I think an 
"external interface" module consisting of both midi/CV and patchbay 
would be very attractive, it would get rid of all the "wrap around" 
cables to the front of the A100.

Joe

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> 
> --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] 3.5mm patchbay?
> > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:07:29 +0200
> > 
> > Please forward ......
> > 
> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: dustin_l_mosley
> > [mailto:dustinmosley@h...]
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2003 22:29
> > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] 3.5mm patchbay?
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >   Does anyone know of a company that makes a
> > patchbay with
> > > mono 3.5mm connections on the front to help
> > integrate other
> > > pieces of gear to your a-100?  I have a few A-181s
> > (the mult with
> > > the adapter from 1/4") but it's slow and a pain to
> > use with gear
> > > with connections on the back.  Any ideas or
> > solutions?
> > >   Thanks
> > >   Dustin
> > 
> > We have built such a patchbay for our own
> > applications (19" / 1HU / 2 x 20
> > 3.5mm sockets front + rear), especially for
> > demonstration of
> > MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk during music fairs,
> > workshops and so on. We connect
> > the CV/Gate outputs of MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk at
> > the rear side and have
> > the signals then available at the front too to patch
> > them to the A-100
> > system. We asked visitors of fairs/workshops if they
> > would be interested in
> > such a patchbay but found that there are not
> > sufficient inquiries.
> > 
> > We could manufacture this patchbay if there are
> > sufficient orders. But the
> > device is not low cost. 80 jack sockets have to be 
> > soldered to the pc board
> > and mounted to the 19" front panel. In small
> > quantities (~50) the price will
> > be around 150 Euro (80 jack sockets 1 Euro each + 5
> > pc boards + 19"/1HU
> > front panel + charges for punching the holes,
> > lacquer of the front panel,
> > soldering, assembly and test).
> > 
> > But as nobody was interested in this patchbay so far
> > - maybe because of the
> > price - we did not offer it. Alternatively we could
> > offer only the
> > stamped/laquered front panel without sockets and pcb
> > at a much lower price
> > (~ 20..25 Euro). In this case the customer will have
> > to assemble the jack
> > sockets himself.
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > Dieter Doepfer
> > 
> 
> 
> =====
> synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> athens-greece
> [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> 
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What about a combination A119/Patchbay in a single space rack?

Regards,
Kevin

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Buechler" 
<buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
> 150 Euros would be about a 50% premium over the cost of an 
> equivalent 1/4" patchbay (e.g. Behringer Ultrapatch Pro, 2 X 24) 
> which is high but not terribly unreasonable considering the product 
> doesn't exist anywhere else.
> 
> The topic comes up frequently enough in this group to make me think 
> that there's a reasonable demand for it. The fact that Doepfer has 
> built one for themselves for use with MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk 
> ought to be a big clue that the rest of us have the same kind of 
> need.
> 
> The "build-it-yourself" ideas isn't bad, but I'd prefer a box/front 
> panel assembly so I could use panel-mount jacks front and rear, 
> instead of PCB-mount jacks, which I think would be easier to deal 
> with.
> 
> Another possibility would be to offer a 19" 1U "combination" module 
to 
> make it more marketable and bury the cost of the patchbay. I think 
an 

> "external interface" module consisting of both midi/CV and patchbay 
> would be very attractive, it would get rid of all the "wrap around" 
> cables to the front of the A100.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > --- Dieter Doepfer <hardware@d...> wrote:
> > > From: "Dieter Doepfer" <hardware@d...>
> > > To: "Bakis Sirros" <synth_freak_2000@y...>
> > > Subject: AW: [Doepfer_a100] 3.5mm patchbay?
> > > Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:07:29 +0200
> > > 
> > > Please forward ......
> > > 
> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: dustin_l_mosley
> > > [mailto:dustinmosley@h...]
> > > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Juni 2003 22:29
> > > > An: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Betreff: [Doepfer_a100] 3.5mm patchbay?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >   Does anyone know of a company that makes a
> > > patchbay with
> > > > mono 3.5mm connections on the front to help
> > > integrate other
> > > > pieces of gear to your a-100?  I have a few A-181s
> > > (the mult with
> > > > the adapter from 1/4") but it's slow and a pain to
> > > use with gear
> > > > with connections on the back.  Any ideas or
> > > solutions?
> > > >   Thanks
> > > >   Dustin
> > > 
> > > We have built such a patchbay for our own
> > > applications (19" / 1HU / 2 x 20
> > > 3.5mm sockets front + rear), especially for
> > > demonstration of
> > > MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk during music fairs,
> > > workshops and so on. We connect
> > > the CV/Gate outputs of MAQ/Schaltwerk/Regelwerk at
> > > the rear side and have
> > > the signals then available at the front too to patch
> > > them to the A-100
> > > system. We asked visitors of fairs/workshops if they
> > > would be interested in
> > > such a patchbay but found that there are not
> > > sufficient inquiries.
> > > 
> > > We could manufacture this patchbay if there are
> > > sufficient orders. But the
> > > device is not low cost. 80 jack sockets have to be 
> > > soldered to the pc board
> > > and mounted to the 19" front panel. In small
> > > quantities (~50) the price will
> > > be around 150 Euro (80 jack sockets 1 Euro each + 5
> > > pc boards + 19"/1HU
> > > front panel + charges for punching the holes,
> > > lacquer of the front panel,
> > > soldering, assembly and test).
> > > 
> > > But as nobody was interested in this patchbay so far
> > > - maybe because of the
> > > price - we did not offer it. Alternatively we could
> > > offer only the
> > > stamped/laquered front panel without sockets and pcb
> > > at a much lower price
> > > (~ 20..25 Euro). In this case the customer will have
> > > to assemble the jack
> > > sockets himself.
> > > 
> > > Best wishes
> > > Dieter Doepfer
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > =====
> > synthfreak(parallel worlds)
> > athens-greece
> > [Doepfer_a100] group owner
> > 
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If a patchbay were to be developed, i personally would also like to see a
few mid ports on either side (directly wired, no electronics) to carry the
midi cables through form the back of the rack to the a112 and the like.

But then i dont have a midi patchbay, which would serve the same purpouse.

Adding full midi cv cabablities, would surely be a little close to the
mcv24?

julian

Hi list,

What if you want to connect devices with 1/4" jacks (6,3mm) like the 
Minimoog Voyager expander or external FX to the rear of the patchbay? 
Then you still have to use adapters/ adapter cables... perhaps a 
patchbay with combined minijacks and 1/4" jacks on the rear would be a 
solution.
BUT: Not everyone needs the same amount of minijacks. unfortunately most 
analogue synths with CV/Gate inputs have large jacks :-(
For my part: When I need a patchbay one day, I´ll buy a 19" 1U case, 
lots of minijacks AND 1/4" jacks and then make my own custom patchbay.

Paul

PS: directly wired MIDI ports are a good idea.


Julian wrote:

> If a patchbay were to be developed, i personally would also like to see a
> few mid ports on either side (directly wired, no electronics) to carry the
> midi cables through form the back of the rack to the a112 and the like.
>
> But then i dont have a midi patchbay, which would serve the same purpouse.
>
> Adding full midi cv cabablities, would surely be a little close to the
> mcv24?
>
> julian
>
>

6/13/2003 10:29:11 AM, Paul Schulz <dasfonk@web.de> 
wrote:
>Hi list,
>
>What if you want to connect devices with 1/4" jacks (6,3mm) 
like the 
>Minimoog Voyager expander or external FX to the rear of the 
patchbay? 
>Then you still have to use adapters/ adapter cables... perhaps 
a 
>patchbay with combined minijacks and 1/4" jacks on the rear 
would be a 
>solution.

acutally, I think a better idea would be to have several of the 
pairs on one side of the patchbay to have 1/4 jacks on the 
front minijacks on the rear, that way you can use those to 
interface with the commercially available 1/4" jack patchbays.

I mean, how many of us who would be interested in this don't 
already have the more common 1/4" bays?

-Brandon

Hi Julian
> If a patchbay were to be developed, i personally would also like to 
see a
> few mid ports on either side (directly wired, no electronics) to 
carry the
> midi cables through form the back of the rack to the a112 and the 
like.
> 
> But then i dont have a midi patchbay, which would serve the same 
purpouse.

I have a Digital Music MX-8. All of the midi ports are on the rear 
panel.
 
> Adding full midi cv cabablities, would surely be a little close to 
the
> mcv24?

Rather than a full-bore mcv24, I was thinking more along the lines of 
A190/A191 functionality, with dedicated output jacks, which I prefer 
anyway. The "floating" jacks on the mcv24 make patching a more 
difficult chore. Of course, an additional pair of jacks for CV/Gate on 
an alternate midi channel would be nice too (and would probably 
motivate a lot of people to expand their A100 system to accomodate 
duophonic operation).

Might as well throw in the kitchen sink too, so add the A192 CV-to 
midi function, and also Kevin's A119 idea :-)

I know, now there's no room left for the patchbay!

Joe

Hi there,

Im considering selling my ms-404, but what id much rather do is swap it for
somthing interesting. Im not really tryign to sell it here, but i figured
maybee someone here may be after one and not be able to find one so easy now
that theyre not made any more.

Anyone up for it?  Im not convinced that i want to get rid of it, but an
intersting swap would be good.  Mail me if youve got any suggestions.


Cheers, and sorry if this is too OT

julian