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Newbie questions

2003-08-02 by klstay

Hello all,

I plan on ordering my first system next week and would like some 
advice. First, let me explain what I plan to do. I recently got an 
Alesis Ion and will be using it as both the MIDI controller and 
initially as the VCOs. This will give me two independent sets of 3 
oscillators each with hard/soft sync, fm, ring, morphing wave shape, 
and all of the mod sources on the Ion. This allows me to buy more 
filters at first and 3 A-111 modules later.

My first purchase will be:
A-131 Exp VCA
A-140 ADSR EG X 2
A-190 MIDI-CV
A-114 Ring Mod
A-118 Noise
VCF X 2

I have questions about which 2 VCFs I should start with. From the 
web site it seems as if the A-108 will sound just like the A-120 on 
the 4 pole output. Is that correct? If so I will not get an A-120 
even though the A-108 is more expensive. (It is worth the extra 
cost.)

I recognize everyone is excited about the morphing feature of the A-
107. If used as a "normal filter" will one of the available filter 
types sound like the A-122 or A-123? If so I would only have to get 
one of those for patches requiring an OB LP and HP. (No matter what 
I will be getting an A-107 sometime.)

So, out of the A-102, A-105, A-108, and A-121 which 2 should I pick 
to start with and why?

One last question - Is there any further word on the MS-20 filter? 
Having one with Doepfer size and power would be nice and I would buy 
two the day they shipped!

Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-02 by klamb000

Kevin,

If I may offer a couple of observations...

Don't dismiss the A110 VCOs, as they offer a slightly different mode 
of sync, and are also a bit punchier than the A111 VCO.  I find when 
using hard sync, I always end up with the A110 as a slave because (at 
least in my opinion) the sidebanding produced when modulating the 
slave is more pronounced.  That's not to say the A110 is better or 
worse than the A111, it's just different.

As for filters, everyone has their own opinion, and it's best to try 
to actually hear the different filters before etching anything in 
stone.  That said, none of the Doepfer filters are bad, but they are 
mostly unique to themselves.  

I noticed you left off three of the cooler filters, as least in my 
opinion.  Look at the A103, the A109, and the A124.  

I should state from the very beginning that I really didn't think I'd 
like the A103, as I'm not a huge fan of hip-hop, and other forms of 
music that rely heavily on the 303, but after getting the A103 I have 
to say that it's smooth and punchy, has a tight low end, and is a 
filter I use more than I thought I would.

The A109 is a very cost effective module that offers a lot of 
features.  I like the way it handles pads and soft sounds, but it can 
become quite edgy if pushed.

The A124 is a filter that, depending on your location, may be 
required by law to own.  The A124 has a low/high pass output, and the 
type of filter desired is set with the Mix control.  This allows you, 
when the Mix is at 50%, to make the A124 into a notch filter.  It 
also has a seperate band pass output.  If you like a slightly 
unpredictable filter, overdrive the input and crank the up resonance.

If you're looking at filter with which to shape the overall quality 
of a sound, think about the A128 Fixed Filter Bank.  I find that a 
most valuable tool.

Regards,
Kevin Lamb




--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klstay" <kevinstay@e...> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I plan on ordering my first system next week and would like some 
> advice. First, let me explain what I plan to do. I recently got an 
> Alesis Ion and will be using it as both the MIDI controller and 
> initially as the VCOs. This will give me two independent sets of 3 
> oscillators each with hard/soft sync, fm, ring, morphing wave 
shape, 
> and all of the mod sources on the Ion. This allows me to buy more 
> filters at first and 3 A-111 modules later.
> 
> My first purchase will be:
> A-131 Exp VCA
> A-140 ADSR EG X 2
> A-190 MIDI-CV
> A-114 Ring Mod
> A-118 Noise
> VCF X 2
> 
> I have questions about which 2 VCFs I should start with. From the 
> web site it seems as if the A-108 will sound just like the A-120 on 
> the 4 pole output. Is that correct? If so I will not get an A-120 
> even though the A-108 is more expensive. (It is worth the extra 
> cost.)
> 
> I recognize everyone is excited about the morphing feature of the A-
> 107. If used as a "normal filter" will one of the available filter 
> types sound like the A-122 or A-123? If so I would only have to get 
> one of those for patches requiring an OB LP and HP. (No matter what 
> I will be getting an A-107 sometime.)
> 
> So, out of the A-102, A-105, A-108, and A-121 which 2 should I pick 
> to start with and why?
> 
> One last question - Is there any further word on the MS-20 filter? 
> Having one with Doepfer size and power would be nice and I would 
buy 
> two the day they shipped!

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Newbie questions

2003-08-02 by Bakis Sirros

hi kevin,
if i was you,i would pick the a108 first of all!it has
a wonderfull sound(better than the a120) and an
resonance feedback loop for you to insert anything you
want.then i would buy the a121.it's a multimode
filter,so you'll use its highpass and bandpass and
notch outputs a lot!
all the other filters(a105 lowpass,a102 lowpass,a122
lowpass,a123 highpass,a127 triple resonator,a128
filterbank, can wait for a latter time...)
as for the ms20 filter,i don't see it coming very
soon, as doepfer has already released A LOT of filters
and now dieter seems to be concetrating on more
experimental stuff(hooray for that!).
welcome aboard,
bakis.



--- klstay <kevinstay@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I plan on ordering my first system next week and
> would like some 
> advice. First, let me explain what I plan to do. I
> recently got an 
> Alesis Ion and will be using it as both the MIDI
> controller and 
> initially as the VCOs. This will give me two
> independent sets of 3 
> oscillators each with hard/soft sync, fm, ring,
> morphing wave shape, 
> and all of the mod sources on the Ion. This allows
> me to buy more 
> filters at first and 3 A-111 modules later.
> 
> My first purchase will be:
> A-131 Exp VCA
> A-140 ADSR EG X 2
> A-190 MIDI-CV
> A-114 Ring Mod
> A-118 Noise
> VCF X 2
> 
> I have questions about which 2 VCFs I should start
> with. From the 
> web site it seems as if the A-108 will sound just
> like the A-120 on 
> the 4 pole output. Is that correct? If so I will not
> get an A-120 
> even though the A-108 is more expensive. (It is
> worth the extra 
> cost.)
> 
> I recognize everyone is excited about the morphing
> feature of the A-
> 107. If used as a "normal filter" will one of the
> available filter 
> types sound like the A-122 or A-123? If so I would
> only have to get 
> one of those for patches requiring an OB LP and HP.
> (No matter what 
> I will be getting an A-107 sometime.)
> 
> So, out of the A-102, A-105, A-108, and A-121 which
> 2 should I pick 
> to start with and why?
> 
> One last question - Is there any further word on the
> MS-20 filter? 
> Having one with Doepfer size and power would be nice
> and I would buy 
> two the day they shipped!
> 
> 


=====
synthfreak(parallel worlds)
athens-greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner

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Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-02 by klstay

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klamb000" <lamb@c...> wrote:

> Don't dismiss the A110 VCOs, as they offer a slightly different 

I'm sure that eventually I will own some A-111s and A-110s. But, 
starting out I would rather use the oscillators from my VA and spend 
the money that would have gone to real VCOs on more VCFs ;-)

> I noticed you left off three of the cooler filters, as least in my 
> opinion.  Look at the A103, the A109, and the A124.  

I'm certain I will eventually get an A-103 and A-124, but I believe 
both are "specialty" enough sounding they don't qualify among the 
first two I should get. The A-109 only saves me $24 over buying one 
A-102 and one A-131 and it doesn't appear to be as flexible as the 2 
separates would be. Plus, I'm a Prophet 5 "fanatic" so the A-105 
almost has to be one of my first two choices :-0

Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-03 by klstay

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
<synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:

> if i was you,i would pick the a108 first of all!it has
> a wonderfull sound(better than the a120) and an
> resonance feedback loop for you to insert anything you

Thanks for the response. The A-108 does look really versatile. Does 
the 4 pole output really sound different than the A-120? (I realize 
the other outputs would sound different.)

> want.then i would buy the a121.it's a multimode
> filter,so you'll use its highpass and bandpass and
> notch outputs a lot!

I guess since these are my first two filters and need to be 
versatile together and individually, the A-121 and A-108 would make 
a great place to start. The problem is I'm a huge prophet 5 fan so 
the A-105 is calling out to me ;-) I am also still interested to 
know if any of the many filters on the A-107 will sound close to the 
A-122 or A-123. (Not just the same slope, but same sound. Just like 
an A-102, A-105, A-120 don't sound the same even though they have 
the same slope.)

> as for the ms20 filter,i don't see it coming very
> soon, as doepfer has already released A LOT of filters
> and now dieter seems to be concetrating on more
> experimental stuff(hooray for that!).

Actually, it was all the new filters that made me decide to start my 
real analog kit with Doepfer instead of MOTM. (That was a REALLY 
hard decision!) I like Doepfer's choice not to do much of what other 
modular makers have done. If I really want an MS-20 I can get a pair 
from MOTM as well as a CS80. The MOTM PS-3100 is also much closer in 
design to the original than the A-127 so that will also be a tough 
decision someday. So many filters, so little money...

Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-03 by klstay

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "p. hendricks" <ph@c...> wrote:
> what's the connection? P5's never used SSM2044's.
> Early revs used the ssm2040 and later ones were CEM.
> The 2044 is VERY VERY different than the ssm2040-- not even the 
same type of
> filter design.  

I had thought the 2040 was similar to the 2044. (Doepfer may want to 
change their website.) I guess if I want a rev.2 Pro5 it will be a 
MOTM filter.

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-03 by p. hendricks

On 8/2/03 6:48 PM, "klstay" <kevinstay@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I'm a Prophet 5 "fanatic" so the A-105
> almost has to be one of my first two choices :-0

what's the connection? P5's never used SSM2044's.
Early revs used the ssm2040 and later ones were CEM.
The 2044 is VERY VERY different than the ssm2040-- not even the same type of
filter design.  
best,
pH

Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-03 by andrew dalio

Analogue solutions make a very nice MS 20 filter called the sy02. 
You can also get it with Doepfer power connectors (it's also 
Doepfer case compatable). Compared to my old MS 20, it 
sounds pretty good!

andrew bunny

Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-04 by Bakis Sirros

hi andrew,
yes,i know that the standard connectors for analogue
solutions modules are the exact doepfer ones.you can
have AS connectors ,if you ask though...
bakis.


--- andrew dalio <bunnyman@sailormoon.com> wrote:
> Analogue solutions make a very nice MS 20 filter
> called the sy02. 
> You can also get it with Doepfer power connectors
> (it's also 
> Doepfer case compatable). Compared to my old MS 20,
> it 
> sounds pretty good!
> 
> andrew bunny
> 
> 


=====
Bakis Sirros
Parallel Worlds / Polariton
Athens-Greece
[Doepfer_a100] group owner
http://www.rubber.gr
http://www.ward12.com

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Re: Newbie questions

2003-08-11 by selfoscillate

hello,

--- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "klstay" <kevinstay@e...> wrote:
> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Bakis Sirros 
> <synth_freak_2000@y...> wrote:
> 
> > if i was you,i would pick the a108 first of all!it has
> > a wonderfull sound(better than the a120) and an
> > resonance feedback loop for you to insert anything you
> 
> Thanks for the response. The A-108 does look really versatile. Does 
> the 4 pole output really sound different than the A-120? (I realize 
> the other outputs would sound different.)

i would say, that they sound different, but maybe it is just
because you can overdrive the input of the a108.
the sound character is the same. for me the a108 is much better
than the a120. i love the bandpass output of the a108 too.

> > want.then i would buy the a121.it's a multimode
> > filter,so you'll use its highpass and bandpass and
> > notch outputs a lot!
> 
> I guess since these are my first two filters and need to be 
> versatile together and individually, the A-121 and A-108 would make 
> a great place to start. The problem is I'm a huge prophet 5 fan so 
> the A-105 is calling out to me ;-) I am also still interested to 
> know if any of the many filters on the A-107 will sound close to 
the 
> A-122 or A-123. (Not just the same slope, but same sound. Just like 
> an A-102, A-105, A-120 don't sound the same even though they have 
> the same slope.)

i think that the a107 sound will come very close to the
cem-based filters a109, a121, a122 and a123.
as far as i know the a107 is also cem-based.

best wishes

ingo

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