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2007-01-16 by yazzofever
Wondering if anyone wants to get rid of their Pro-Rec Fairlight Disc. I asked about a year ago and I thought I would ask again. Trying to see if I avoid paying $39 for a new one. I'm finally getting my mirage and I look forward to bumming samples off the disc into the mirage.
2007-01-16 by Hallvard Tangeraas
On 16/1/07 22:05, yazzofever wrote: > > > Wondering if anyone wants to get rid of their Pro-Rec Fairlight Disc. > I asked about a year ago and I thought I would ask again. > > Trying to see if I avoid paying $39 for a new one. I'm finally getting > my mirage and I look forward to bumming samples off the disc into the > mirage. You can get it for 10 bucks less (US$ 29.99) if you can do without the jewel case: http://www.cafepress.com/zzizzle/154081 I wish they had made a CD-ROM of it instead of an audio CD though. Hallvard
2007-01-17 by Hallvard Tangeraas
I've been contacted off the list with questions about the Pro-Rec Fairlight CMI IIx sample-CD, and thought I'd share that information with the rest of you as well. As far as I know, this is the only sound library anyone without a real Fairlight can get. Unfortunately it's an *audio* CD and not a CD-ROM (with AIFF, WAV etc. files ready for use), which means that the user has to sample and edit the sounds with a computer or their sampler. I wish they had made a CD-ROM with some common file-format instead. Oh well. The library claims to be a complete Fairlight CMI IIx library (all the factory disks that is). The two famous Fairlight sounds I was looking for was the "aaaah" voice (which I've asked about elsewhere in this list as how they made it is still a puzzle to me, as it doesn't sound quite human in my ears) and the "Orch5" orchestra hit, and they were of course included. What I can say however is that there seems to be some inconsistency between the library disks and the samples on the CD, because I found the "official" Fairlight list over sample disks here: http://egrefin.free.fr/eng/fairlight/cmi2xManualsE.php And it certainly is different from the ones contained on the audio-CD. I can't remember the differences off-hand, if samples are missing, if they've messed up the filenames or something else, but for comparison, here's a list over what the Pro-rec sample CD contains: http://pro-rec.com/samplecds.html How does it sound? As I've never seen, used, touched and probably never will gain access to a Fairlight I'm not up to the task of judging how it sounds. I see no reason to doubt that the people behind the CD haven't been using a real Fairlight. They've even recorded the system booting up and so on! Very strange.... The CD sounds fine to me. The looped sounds are in fact played with a loop (which you can hear). I don't know if the loops are this audible originally, but at least you can hear where the loops are so you don't truncate off more than necessary when editing/looping the sound on your computer or sampler. The overall impression is that they've done a good job. But once again I'm frustrated that they didn't just make a data CD-ROM out of it. Anything else? I think I've covered everything. So in conclusion I have to say it's a recommended buy for anyone who wants those famouse preset Fairlight CMI sounds but doesn't have access to a real Fairlight, partly because this is the only Fairlight library I know of that non-Fairlight owners can access. It can be ordered from the following website: http://www.cafepress.com/zzizzle/154081 ... and can be supplied in a sleev for US$ 29.99 or in a CD jewel-case for US$ 39.99. PS: a few weeks ago I'm sure I came across someone on eBay selling an actual CD-ROM collection of the Fairlight CMI. I haven't been able to find it again, and I have no idea if it was recorded directly from a Fairlight or perhaps just an edited copy of the abovementioned CD. Unfortunately I didn't bookmark it as I already had my own Fairlight sample collection with that Pro-rec CD. Hope someone finds all this information useful, and I'd be happy to get comments from someone who owns/uses a real Fairlight and has also heard the Pro-rec CD and has read the contents-listing, which may or may not be complete. Hallvard
2007-01-17 by Tomás
From what I can gather, the Pro Rec CD was recorded from a IIx that came originally from Newcastle University UK. All sounds were played back with the SSM anti aliasing filter engaged. There are some sounds missing, most notably for me the string sound first use by Jarre on "Concerts in China". I was in email conversation with Robert Brady who made that CD. I don't know if he's in the group.. Here's what he told me in 2001: "The CD was recorded by feeding the Fairlight into a match amp (basically a quiet preamp) and then into Sound Tools running on an Atari ST Mega 4, then digitally out to DAT and then down to a CD mastering house where it was digitally real time dubbed back into a SADIE system and then onto exabyte and pressed onto CD. Making CDs the old fashioned (Read Expensive!) way. I still own a CMI (The IIx that was used for the CD), but it is currently in Ireland (and I'm in London), so I'll have to sort that out one day... The CD was recorded before I had my own ProTools system, and I wnt to a studio in Hull who had a Sound Tools system that I could use. It was about 50% the cost of a PT room, so it made sense to drive from Devon (Where I was living) to Yorkshire to record. Strange how technology that was rare is now so prevalant now. Kinda like the CMI! You're right there just wasn't the demand for a fully fledged business based on the Fairlight library, and I didn't have the cash to create another CD. The sound font version was created by Heavenly Audio but I don't think they sold many at all... Mind you some of the samples found their way into the Alesis QS range of synths, and further into the DM Pro. That was a lot of fun as I got to help with some of the presets that are burnt into ROM... One day I might get around to doing the Series III library, but probbably as a CD-ROM of some description."
2007-01-17 by Tomás
By the way, there is a selection of series III multisamples on the JJ Jeczalik "Art of Sampling" CD, audio only. The strings and choirs are very much worth the price. There are some series II sounds on this disc also, recorded without the anti aliasing but played back on the series III. Big difference compared to the Pro Rec/ Digital Domain disc!
2007-01-17 by Tomás
OK, according to that manual published in January 1985, the "Strings 3" disk is missing, replaced by a disk called "TremStr" on the Pro Rec CD. That might explain the missing Jarre string sound I mentioned.It's the only difference I could see on first reading. Does anyone have that string sound available as a WAV?
2007-01-17 by Tomás
Small world! Yes, Robert Brady. His original email address was at the uni, so I made an assumption, but yes it was his Fairlight. It's in Northern Ireland now apparently. If you see him tell him I said "hello" ;)
2007-01-17 by Peter Connelly
From what I can gather, the Pro Rec CD was recorded from a IIx that
came originally from Newcastle University UK. All sounds were played
back with the SSM anti aliasing filter engaged. There are some sounds
missing, most notably for me the string sound first use by Jarre on
"Concerts in China".
I was in email conversation with Robert Brady who made that CD. I
don't know if he's in the group.. Here's what he told me in 2001:
"The CD was recorded by feeding the Fairlight into a match amp
(basically a quiet preamp) and then into Sound Tools running on an
Atari ST Mega 4, then digitally out to DAT and then down to a CD
mastering house where it was digitally real time dubbed back into a
SADIE system and then onto exabyte and pressed onto CD.
Making CDs the old fashioned (Read Expensive!) way.
I still own a CMI (The IIx that was used for the CD), but it is
currently in Ireland (and I'm in London), so I'll have to sort that
out one day...
The CD was recorded before I had my own ProTools system, and I wnt to
a studio in Hull who had a Sound Tools system that I could use. It was
about 50% the cost of a PT room, so it made sense to drive from Devon
(Where I was living) to Yorkshire to record. Strange how technology
that was rare is now so prevalant now. Kinda like the CMI!
You're right there just wasn't the demand for a fully fledged business
based on the Fairlight library, and I didn't have the cash to create
another CD. The sound font version was created by Heavenly Audio but I
don't think they sold many at all...
Mind you some of the samples found their way into the Alesis QS range
of synths, and further into the DM Pro. That was a lot of fun as I got
to help with some of the presets that are burnt into ROM...
One day I might get around to doing the Series III library, but
probbably as a CD-ROM of some description."
2007-01-17 by M.J.B.
No Tomas, If you compare the sample listing of the Pro Rec Disc with the link that Hallvard provided that shows the original library, you see a lot more differences. For instance: where is the famous record scratch sound on the Pro Rec disc? From what I can see the disc is missings TONS of sounds. The Pro Rec it appears is NOT the complete orginal library; and they should not have claimed that. Micah --- Tomás <tomulcahy@yahoo.com> wrote: > OK, according to that manual published in > January 1985, the "Strings > 3" disk is missing, replaced by a disk called > "TremStr" on the Pro Rec > CD. That might explain the missing Jarre string > sound I mentioned.It's > the only difference I could see on first > reading. > > Does anyone have that string sound available as > a WAV? > > y[]a[]z[]z[]o[]f[]e[]v[]e[]r[] ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
2007-01-17 by Peter Connelly
Small world! Yes, Robert Brady. His original email address was at the
uni, so I made an assumption, but yes it was his Fairlight. It's in
Northern Ireland now apparently. If you see him tell him I said "hello" ;)
2007-01-17 by dvdborn
Almost ten years ago I bought the Heavenly Music Fairlight CD-ROM. I guess it's the same as the Pro Rec Sample Disc. But instead all the samples are present in Wave format and in SF2 format. IMHO, it might have been better if they didn't record the samples with the anti aliasing filter on. The samples sound quite 'muddy'. Not the sound I'm used to hear from other CMI IIx sources. What follows is the read me file from the CD-ROM, including a list of the samples. Best, David http://dvdborn.blogspot.com HMSBK Vol.2 The FAIRLIGHT SoundFont Collection ---------------------------------------------- Produced by Jose' Ortiz for Heavenly Music. The Fairlight seems to have made it's first appearance around 1979. The series II was launched in 1984 and only 300 or so of the series IIx's were built. Now, they are heard on countless recordings of that period. The sound library presented here for the first time ever in SF (SoundFont) format is the largest known collection of Fairlight samples to date. Here is a collection of the Fairlight's 30 disks PLUS some extra disks normally found alongside the original library. 69 SF2 files Made from approximately 532 WAV Files have all been digitally level matched and normalized to maintain some uniformity. Also included on this CD for your convenience are the WAV files used in the SF2 files plus a 'dba' catalogue file for Steinberg's WaveLab Sample Editor. Some of the sounds have been left 'as is' though in most instances, liberties have been taken with small doses of reverb and/or chorus to 'smooth' them out. This has been done as many of the original samples actually did not loop very well. This remianed the case when converting them to SF2. They are best played lower down on a keyboard. Enjoy! Thanks to Rachel Mills and George Thorn at Creative Labs. Special thanks to Rob Brady and all at Digital Domain. Original samples (C)Fairlight ESP PTY Ltd. Digital Domain Samples courtesy of Rob Brady This collection (C)1997 Heavenly Music N.B. While auditioning the files, you may find that your hardware reports an 'OUT OF DRAM' message. Open the AWE Control Panel and select the SYNTH TAB. In the SYNTHESIZER SECTION, go to the AVAILABLE SYNTH and select GENERAL MIDI and click on APPLY. This should clear the ROM and make the memory available again. * Note : Please read all documentation on disk regarding the use of SoundBanks and MIDI Bank Select Controllers. 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2007-01-17 by Tomás
I did say that my conclusion was based on a first reading, the implication being that it required more reading... OK, Hallvard gave two links, one to the Pro Rec list, and the other to a page listing various CMI related documents. Where is the document on that page which lists the contents of each disk? All I found was the IIx manual from January 1985. This listed the disks, not their contents. Is there a list in this manual?
> No Tomas, > > If you compare the sample listing of the Pro Rec > Disc with the link that Hallvard provided that > shows the original library, you see a lot more > differences.
2007-01-17 by Hallvard Tangeraas
On 17/1/07 23:26, Tomás wrote: > OK, Hallvard gave > two links, one to the Pro Rec list, and the other to a page listing > various CMI related documents. Where is the document on that page > which lists the contents of each disk? The direct link to the sound-library list from Fairlight is here: http://egrefin.free.fr/images/Fairlight/CMI2x/Fairlight_CMI_IIx_SoundBank.pdf (you'll find it at the very bottom of this page (it isn't shown with a thumbnail as the other downloadable documents): http://egrefin.free.fr/eng/fairlight/cmi2xManualsE.php) As for the listing for the Pro-rec sampling CD, its contents can be found on this page (scroll down a little bit): http://pro-rec.com/samplecds.html Hallvard
2007-01-17 by Tomás
That's interesting. Lots of disparity there. "SAXY" and "ARR1" are not named in the official list. In fact, "ARR1" is called "SARAAR" in the official list which is a name most of us are familiar with. Peter Gabriel's fourth album names "SAXY" and "ARR1", which concurs with the Pro Rec CD. So it appears that there are at least two versions of the IIx library. I'm sure Robert Brady and co. were sincere when they stated that the CD contains a complete library. They just didn't know which one it was... perhaps?