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II against IIx

II against IIx

2007-01-22 by hansnijhof

Hello readers,

I've read about the technical differences between a II and IIx. But 
what does this mean in a studio? Does a II have limitations in 
sequencing or in the sample/soundlength. Does the operating system work 
for both machines? Is a series II upgradable to IIx? Do both machine 
have same stability?
I'm asking because I bought the II(x) on Ebay yesterday and know tere 
are doubts if this one is a IIx.
My second question is, does anybody have a technical schedule of a 
lightpen or foto's of the inside electronics, maybe the original 
company who manufactured these pens?

Thanks in advance/Hope you can help me out.

Hans
The Netherlands

Re: LIGHTPEN (was II against IIx)

2007-01-22 by donnachaminimise

Hi Hans.

Congratualtions, I had also considered buying this fairlight on ebay.

Because I was considering the purchase and knew the lightpen was not
included, I did some research on the subject.

Greg Holmes kindly informed me that the pen on his system is as follows:

Information Control Corp.
LP-660-T-LL-AL-R
P/N41004546-022
S/N80L1353
U.S. Pat.3475612


A quick google patents search revealed this:

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3475612&id=FoxjAAAAEBAJ&dq=3475612

Googling for "Information Control Corp" lead me to  a list of
companies who manufacture light pens (link below)

http://www.billbuxton.com/InputSources.html#anchor682875

I placed a call to what I thought was "Information Control Corp" in
Connecticut, NY. However, the people there told me that the company
"Information Control Corp"  had been sold to someone in California. I
had a California number for them but it seems to have been
disconnected and my search for a direct replacement ended there.

However, there are many types of light pen manufactured today. It
seems the basic principle is still the same as that of the light pen
used with the fairlight. The link below provides a simple outline of
this principle.

http://www.inkwellsystems.com/technical.htm

I found a CMI IIX service manual online and according to that: 

"The light pen operates by sending a pulse back to the computer when
the phosphor dot is `seen' to flash past. The light Pen Interface
Q-219, located in the Mainframe generates X-Y co-rdinates from the
timing of this pulse. As well as this `Hit' signal from the lightpen
there is a `Touch' signal which indicates that the operator has
activated the pen by touching the tip. For detailed information, refer
to the GRAPHICS TERMINAL SERVICE MANUAL."

As you will see from reading the info at the link above, this seems to
be the same principle used in current light pens. Whether you will be
able to get one to talk to the fairlight is just a guess from me at
this point but it is my feeling that it might be possible for a modern
light pen to be re-purposed for use with a fairlight if it was
supplied with a circuit/wiring diagram.

I couldn't really sacrifice the time to time to repairing this
fairlight due to other projects/commitments and figured I would wait
until another one comes along (yes, I know that could be a long time!)
but I wish you the best of luck with replacing the pen, I would be
really interested to know how things work out so please keep us all
informed!

Best,

Donnacha Costello,
Dublin,
Ireland.

Re: [Fairlight-CMI] II against IIx

2007-01-22 by Malte Rogacki

> Hello readers,
>
> I've read about the technical differences between a II and IIx. But
> what does this mean in a studio? Does a II have limitations in
> sequencing or in the sample/soundlength. Does the operating system work
> for both machines? Is a series II upgradable to IIx? Do both machine
> have same stability?
> I'm asking because I bought the II(x) on Ebay yesterday and know tere
> are doubts if this one is a IIx.
> My second question is, does anybody have a technical schedule of a
> lightpen or foto's of the inside electronics, maybe the original
> company who manufactured these pens?

As far as I can see a MIDI option was only offered for the IIx, not for the
II. So even if this is a pre-production MIDI kit I would assume that this
machine is  actually a IIx.

Even if it was just a II there would not be much of a difference between
them; the stability is probably about the same.

Something that I don't exactly know (somebody correct me please): I seem to
recall that with the IIx the floppy format was slightly changed.

About the lightpen: I could borrow (!) you a non-working and partially
disassembled one if I manage to find it. No, I won't sell it.

-- 
Malte Rogacki gacki@gacki.sax.de
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"Don't forget to TURN ON THE SYNTHESIZER. Often this is the reason why you
 get no sound out of it." (ARP 2600 Owner's Manual)
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Re: LIGHT PEN (was [Fairlight-CMI] II against Iix)

2007-01-22 by donnacha costello


Hi Hans.

Congratualtions, I had also considered buying this fairlight on ebay.

Because I was considering the purchase and knew the lightpen was not included, I did some research on the subject.

Greg Holmes kindly informed me that the pen on his system is as follows:

Information Control Corp.
LP-660-T-LL-AL-R
P/N41004546-022
S/N80L1353
U.S. Pat.3475612


A quick google patents search revealed this:

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3475612&id=FoxjAAAAEBAJ&dq=3475612

Googling for “Information Control Corp” lead me to a list of companies who manufacture light pens (link below)

http://www.billbuxton.com/InputSources.html#anchor682875

I placed a call to what I thought was “Information Control Corp” in Connecticut, NY. However, the people there told me that the company “Information Control Corp” had been sold to someone in California. I had a California number for them but it seems to have been disconnected and my search for a direct replacement ended there.

However, there are many types of light pen manufactured today. It seems the basic principle is still the same as that of the light pen used with the fairlight. The link below provides a simple outline of this principle.

http://www.inkwellsystems.com/technical.htm

I found a CMI IIX service manual online and according to that:

“The light pen operates by sending a pulse back to the computer when the phosphor dot is ‘seen’ to flash past. The light Pen Interface Q-219, located in the Mainframe generates X-Y co-rdinates from the timing of this pulse. As well as this ‘Hit’ signal from the lightpen there is a ‘Touch’ signal which indicates that the operator has activated the pen by touching the tip. For detailed information, refer to the GRAPHICS TERMINAL SERVICE MANUAL.”

As you will see from reading the info at the link above, this seems to be the same principle used in current light pens. Whether you will be able to get one to talk to the fairlight is just a guess from me at this point but it is my feeling that it might be possible for a modern light pen to be re-purposed for use with a fairlight if it was supplied with a circuit/wiring diagram.

I couldn’t really sacrifice the time to time to repairing this fairlight due to other projects/commitments and figured I would wait until another one comes along (yes, I know that could be a long time!) but I wish you the best of luck with replacing the pen, I would be really interested to know how things work out so please keep us all informed!

Best,

Donnacha Costello,
Dublin,
Ireland.


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