Fairlight-CMI

I’m pretty sure it was an Emulex …

Easy to remove if you can use a screw driver, but you do need to remove the complete disk/tape housing.

[Steve]

From: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of karmagician
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:52 PM
To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Fairlight-CMI] What company brand is the streaming tape drive in the III?

Does anyone know what the brand of the streaming tape drive in the series III was?

Is it easy to remove? (before I start to take the thing apart...)

As I mentioned in another message, having problems with it - I found a place that supposedly repairs all kinds of tape drives, but you need to know the brand to get a quote...:

http://www.toptenrepair.com/Storage.213.0.html

From: Gordon JC Pearce 
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:54 AM
To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Fairlight-CMI] What company brand is the streaming tape drive in the III?


  
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:11 +0800, David Crocombe wrote:
> Emulex was the controller / adapter board from SCSI to QUIC24.
> My tape drive was an Archive with a QIC24 interface.
> 
> Be very careful about the tapes.
> It may be a tape issue and not a drive issue.
> Old data tapes can get the tape layer stuck together etc.
> 
> I've spoken to a data recovery place here in Australia.
> They advise that they bake the tapes before data recovery to stop
> oxide shedding. 
> They also change the rubber drive band inside the data cartridge
> itself before running it.
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> David Crocombe. 

This is a recurring theme on the Classic Computer mailing list, too ;-)

Check out the archives on http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html and
search back through them. It might be worth contacting some of the
people on the list that have had problems with QIC tapes to see how they
solved them.

Gordon MM0YEQ

>
> Isn't this actually the same problem people have with their series I, II and IIx?
> Archiving sounds and data...............
> Replacing the drives with 3.5" ones is an option, but we could do WAY better. Come on guys, it's 2010, almost 2011.
> 
> The upgrade for the lightpen and monitor is fantastic. (Not that I need it, but surely in the future I or the next owner will be very happy with it.)
> 
> So, once again I call for help: "HELP". Please someone build a modern storage solution.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Kersten. 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> Carpe Ductum ! - (Seize the tape !)
> 
> 
> From: Gordon JC Pearce 
> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:54 AM
> To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [Fairlight-CMI] What company brand is the streaming tape drive in the III?
> 
> 
>   
> On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:11 +0800, David Crocombe wrote:
> > Emulex was the controller / adapter board from SCSI to QUIC24.
> > My tape drive was an Archive with a QIC24 interface.
> > 
> > Be very careful about the tapes.
> > It may be a tape issue and not a drive issue.
> > Old data tapes can get the tape layer stuck together etc.
> > 
> > I've spoken to a data recovery place here in Australia.
> > They advise that they bake the tapes before data recovery to stop
> > oxide shedding. 
> > They also change the rubber drive band inside the data cartridge
> > itself before running it.
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > 
> > David Crocombe. 
> 
> This is a recurring theme on the Classic Computer mailing list, too ;-)
> 
> Check out the archives on http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html and
> search back through them. It might be worth contacting some of the
> people on the list that have had problems with QIC tapes to see how they
> solved them.
> 
> Gordon MM0YEQ
>

On 24 Nov 2010, at 13:49, horiprod wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> There is a solution to the problem of future-proofing old series III  
> files on old (revision 5) machines, however it requires a relatively  
> extensive hardware upgrade. Once a system is upgraded to the "last"  
> revision 9.34, very many SCSI devices of up to 4 Gbytes can be used  
> as storage. One can then archive from streamer or 140 Mbyte hard  
> disc onto 4 Gbyte hard drives, or even Compact Flash cards both of  
> which cost only a few dollars each...
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Wielk
>
> Horizontal Production in sunny Sydney
>
>>
>> Isn't this actually the same problem people have with their series  
>> I, II and IIx?
>> Archiving sounds and data...............
>> Replacing the drives with 3.5" ones is an option, but we could do  
>> WAY better. Come on guys, it's 2010, almost 2011.
>>
>> The upgrade for the lightpen and monitor is fantastic. (Not that I  
>> need it, but surely in the future I or the next owner will be very  
>> happy with it.)
>>
>> So, once again I call for help: "HELP". Please someone build a  
>> modern storage solution.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter Kersten.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> Carpe Ductum ! - (Seize the tape !)
>>
>>
>> From: Gordon JC Pearce
>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:54 AM
>> To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: RE: [Fairlight-CMI] What company brand is the streaming  
>> tape drive in the III?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:11 +0800, David Crocombe wrote:
>>> Emulex was the controller / adapter board from SCSI to QUIC24.
>>> My tape drive was an Archive with a QIC24 interface.
>>>
>>> Be very careful about the tapes.
>>> It may be a tape issue and not a drive issue.
>>> Old data tapes can get the tape layer stuck together etc.
>>>
>>> I've spoken to a data recovery place here in Australia.
>>> They advise that they bake the tapes before data recovery to stop
>>> oxide shedding.
>>> They also change the rubber drive band inside the data cartridge
>>> itself before running it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> David Crocombe.
>>
>> This is a recurring theme on the Classic Computer mailing list,  
>> too ;-)
>>
>> Check out the archives on http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html and
>> search back through them. It might be worth contacting some of the
>> people on the list that have had problems with QIC tapes to see how  
>> they
>> solved them.
>>
>> Gordon MM0YEQ
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> Hi Peter
> 
> There is a solution to the problem of future-proofing old series III files on old (revision 5) machines, however it requires a relatively extensive hardware upgrade. Once a system is upgraded to the "last" revision 9.34, very many SCSI devices of up to 4 Gbytes can be used as storage. One can then archive from streamer or 140 Mbyte hard disc onto 4 Gbyte hard drives, or even Compact Flash cards both of which cost only a few dollars each... 
> 
> Regards,

>
> Hi Peter
> 
> There is a solution to the problem of future-proofing old series III files on old (revision 5) machines, however it requires a relatively extensive hardware upgrade. Once a system is upgraded to the "last" revision 9.34, very many SCSI devices of up to 4 Gbytes can be used as storage. One can then archive from streamer or 140 Mbyte hard disc onto 4 Gbyte hard drives, or even Compact Flash cards both of which cost only a few dollars each... 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Wielk
> 
> Horizontal Production in sunny Sydney
>  
> >
> > Isn't this actually the same problem people have with their series I, II and IIx?
> > Archiving sounds and data...............
> > Replacing the drives with 3.5" ones is an option, but we could do WAY better. Come on guys, it's 2010, almost 2011.
> > 
> > The upgrade for the lightpen and monitor is fantastic. (Not that I need it, but surely in the future I or the next owner will be very happy with it.)
> > 
> > So, once again I call for help: "HELP". Please someone build a modern storage solution.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Peter Kersten. 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > Carpe Ductum ! - (Seize the tape !)
> > 
> > 
> > From: Gordon JC Pearce 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:54 AM
> > To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: RE: [Fairlight-CMI] What company brand is the streaming tape drive in the III?
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:11 +0800, David Crocombe wrote:
> > > Emulex was the controller / adapter board from SCSI to QUIC24.
> > > My tape drive was an Archive with a QIC24 interface.
> > > 
> > > Be very careful about the tapes.
> > > It may be a tape issue and not a drive issue.
> > > Old data tapes can get the tape layer stuck together etc.
> > > 
> > > I've spoken to a data recovery place here in Australia.
> > > They advise that they bake the tapes before data recovery to stop
> > > oxide shedding. 
> > > They also change the rubber drive band inside the data cartridge
> > > itself before running it.
> > > 
> > > Regards, 
> > > 
> > > David Crocombe. 
> > 
> > This is a recurring theme on the Classic Computer mailing list, too ;-)
> > 
> > Check out the archives on http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html and
> > search back through them. It might be worth contacting some of the
> > people on the list that have had problems with QIC tapes to see how they
> > solved them.
> > 
> > Gordon MM0YEQ
> >
>

>
> My Series III is at 8.29r. What would be required to update it to 9.34, in order to take advantage of these larger SCSI devices?
> 
> - Stephen
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "horiprod" <horizontal_productions@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter
> > 
> > There is a solution to the problem of future-proofing old series III files on old (revision 5) machines, however it requires a relatively extensive hardware upgrade. Once a system is upgraded to the "last" revision 9.34, very many SCSI devices of up to 4 Gbytes can be used as storage. One can then archive from streamer or 140 Mbyte hard disc onto 4 Gbyte hard drives, or even Compact Flash cards both of which cost only a few dollars each... 
> > 
> > Regards,
>

>
> Hi Peter,
> 
>    I hope all is well in Sydney.  Perhaps you could find the time to  
> tell us how to run our 9.34 CMI series 3 systems from compact flash ?   
> Many thanks.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> James
> 
> 
> On 24 Nov 2010, at 13:49, horiprod wrote:
> 
> > Hi Peter
> >
> > There is a solution to the problem of future-proofing old series III  
> > files on old (revision 5) machines, however it requires a relatively  
> > extensive hardware upgrade. Once a system is upgraded to the "last"  
> > revision 9.34, very many SCSI devices of up to 4 Gbytes can be used  
> > as storage. One can then archive from streamer or 140 Mbyte hard  
> > disc onto 4 Gbyte hard drives, or even Compact Flash cards both of  
> > which cost only a few dollars each...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Wielk
> >
> > Horizontal Production in sunny Sydney
> >
> >>
> >> Isn't this actually the same problem people have with their series  
> >> I, II and IIx?
> >> Archiving sounds and data...............
> >> Replacing the drives with 3.5" ones is an option, but we could do  
> >> WAY better. Come on guys, it's 2010, almost 2011.
> >>
> >> The upgrade for the lightpen and monitor is fantastic. (Not that I  
> >> need it, but surely in the future I or the next owner will be very  
> >> happy with it.)
> >>
> >> So, once again I call for help: "HELP". Please someone build a  
> >> modern storage solution.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Peter Kersten.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> Carpe Ductum ! - (Seize the tape !)
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Gordon JC Pearce
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:54 AM
> >> To: Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: RE: [Fairlight-CMI] What company brand is the streaming  
> >> tape drive in the III?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 10:11 +0800, David Crocombe wrote:
> >>> Emulex was the controller / adapter board from SCSI to QUIC24.
> >>> My tape drive was an Archive with a QIC24 interface.
> >>>
> >>> Be very careful about the tapes.
> >>> It may be a tape issue and not a drive issue.
> >>> Old data tapes can get the tape layer stuck together etc.
> >>>
> >>> I've spoken to a data recovery place here in Australia.
> >>> They advise that they bake the tapes before data recovery to stop
> >>> oxide shedding.
> >>> They also change the rubber drive band inside the data cartridge
> >>> itself before running it.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> David Crocombe.
> >>
> >> This is a recurring theme on the Classic Computer mailing list,  
> >> too ;-)
> >>
> >> Check out the archives on http://www.classiccmp.org/lists.html and
> >> search back through them. It might be worth contacting some of the
> >> people on the list that have had problems with QIC tapes to see how  
> >> they
> >> solved them.
> >>
> >> Gordon MM0YEQ
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Hi Stephen.
> 
> You're in luck - you already have the wavesuper hardware upgrade. All you need is a new Fairlight formatted 4Gbyte hard disc with the 9.34 software, and a new set of ROMs...  
> 
> Having backed up all your files, I would then personally remove all the old SCSI drives.. They're heavy, and quite efficient at turning electrical power into heat and noise... 
> 
> Also, from memory, revision 8.29 had a floppy "key disc" which you'll no longer need
> 
> Members of this group could probably provide you with the above for free, however if you get stuck, contact me at horizontal_productions@... 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Wielk 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "karmagician" <karmagician@> wrote:
> >
> > My Series III is at 8.29r. What would be required to update it to 9.34, in order to take advantage of these larger SCSI devices?
> > 
> > - Stephen
> > 
> > --- In Fairlight-CMI@yahoogroups.com, "horiprod" <horizontal_productions@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Peter
> > > 
> > > There is a solution to the problem of future-proofing old series III files on old (revision 5) machines, however it requires a relatively extensive hardware upgrade. Once a system is upgraded to the "last" revision 9.34, very many SCSI devices of up to 4 Gbytes can be used as storage. One can then archive from streamer or 140 Mbyte hard disc onto 4 Gbyte hard drives, or even Compact Flash cards both of which cost only a few dollars each... 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> >
>