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Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-23 by buckeyes1997

I read on this forum a while back about a guy that squeegied hitemp silcone onto a paper sheet and printed on that to make the heat transfer work  better because the toner doesnt stick to the silicone as strongly as paper.  I see you can buy sheets of silicone in thicknesses equivalent to normal paper and wonder if anyone has ever tried printing directly on that sheet??  The sheet should stand up okay to high temperatures and it seems like the toner should transfer very well.

Any thoughts??


before you say it, I know I should probably order a few sheets and try it but I am curious if others have experimented with this concept already.

Matt

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-23 by Stefan Trethan

It required high temp silicone to work, the plain stuff wouldn't for
one reason or the other.

It worked especially well for component legend print because the
transfer is shiny black with no paper residue.

I've used up my coated supply by now and not made any more since paper
works alright.

ST
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM, buckeyes1997 <buckeyes1997@...> wrote:
> I read on this forum a while back about a guy that squeegied hitemp silcone onto a paper sheet and printed on that to make the heat transfer work  better because the toner doesnt stick to the silicone as strongly as paper.  I see you can buy sheets of silicone in thicknesses equivalent to normal paper and wonder if anyone has ever tried printing directly on that sheet??  The sheet should stand up okay to high temperatures and it seems like the toner should transfer very well.
>
> Any thoughts??
>
>
> before you say it, I know I should probably order a few sheets and try it but I am curious if others have experimented with this concept already.
>
> Matt
>

Re: Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-23 by AlienRelics

Some have used the backing sheets from sticky-back label paper, it has a non-stick coating.

And there is silicone coated baking paper.

Steve Greenfield

--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
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>
> It required high temp silicone to work, the plain stuff wouldn't for
> one reason or the other.
> 
> It worked especially well for component legend print because the
> transfer is shiny black with no paper residue.
> 
> I've used up my coated supply by now and not made any more since paper
> works alright.
> 
> ST
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:00 PM, buckeyes1997 <buckeyes1997@...> wrote:
> > I read on this forum a while back about a guy that squeegied hitemp silcone onto a paper sheet and printed on that to make the heat transfer work  better because the toner doesnt stick to the silicone as strongly as paper.  I see you can buy sheets of silicone in thicknesses equivalent to normal paper and wonder if anyone has ever tried printing directly on that sheet??  The sheet should stand up okay to high temperatures and it seems like the toner should transfer very well.
> >
> > Any thoughts??
> >
> >
> > before you say it, I know I should probably order a few sheets and try it but I am curious if others have experimented with this concept already.
> >
> > Matt
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-24 by James Bishop

I've tried the silicone baking paper without success - basically the
toner didn't stick to the paper very well and came out all messy. Also
my printer (samsung ML2010) choked on it, I think it didnt have enough
grip to feed the paper. I tried taping the baking paper to a carrier
sheet, but tape won't stick to the baking paper either!

But I still think it could be used, perhaps in a printer with a
straight paper path? The toner might stay in place if it doesn't get
disturbed too much... And I think it would require some sort of
carrier paper, but I really couldnt think of a good way to attach it.

James.
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> Some have used the backing sheets from sticky-back label paper, it has a non-stick coating.
>
> And there is silicone coated baking paper.
>
> Steve Greenfield

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-24 by Stefan Trethan

The paper coated with high temperature silicone is not slippery, the
paper has some grip to it, like a rubberized handle.
I've also found it impossible to print to baking paper and label
backing paper, but printing on the self-coated paper works just fine.


ST
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:24 PM, James Bishop <bishopaj@...> wrote:
> I've tried the silicone baking paper without success - basically the
> toner didn't stick to the paper very well and came out all messy. Also
> my printer (samsung ML2010) choked on it, I think it didnt have enough
> grip to feed the paper. I tried taping the baking paper to a carrier
> sheet, but tape won't stick to the baking paper either!
>
> But I still think it could be used, perhaps in a printer with a
> straight paper path? The toner might stay in place if it doesn't get
> disturbed too much... And I think it would require some sort of
> carrier paper, but I really couldnt think of a good way to attach it.
>
> James.
>

Re: Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-24 by buckeyes1997

ST
Do you or can you recall the procedure for making the silicone coated sheets of paper?  I tried it but never got the silicone to spread very evenly.  That is why I thought the silicone sheets that can be bought from an online vendor might do well.  They are also fairly high temp sheets so I dont THINK the printer would melt it.

matt



--- In Homebrew_PCBs@yahoogroups.com, Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:
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>
> The paper coated with high temperature silicone is not slippery, the
> paper has some grip to it, like a rubberized handle.
> I've also found it impossible to print to baking paper and label
> backing paper, but printing on the self-coated paper works just fine.
> 
> 
> ST
> 
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:24 PM, James Bishop <bishopaj@...> wrote:
> > I've tried the silicone baking paper without success - basically the
> > toner didn't stick to the paper very well and came out all messy. Also
> > my printer (samsung ML2010) choked on it, I think it didnt have enough
> > grip to feed the paper. I tried taping the baking paper to a carrier
> > sheet, but tape won't stick to the baking paper either!
> >
> > But I still think it could be used, perhaps in a printer with a
> > straight paper path? The toner might stay in place if it doesn't get
> > disturbed too much... And I think it would require some sort of
> > carrier paper, but I really couldnt think of a good way to attach it.
> >
> > James.
> >
>

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-24 by Lez

2009/9/24 buckeyes1997 <buckeyes1997@...>:
> ST
> Do you or can you recall the procedure for making the silicone coated sheets of paper?

spread thinly...
the silicone rubber stuff is not the same as whats on the sheets imho.

Re: [Homebrew_PCBs] Re: Laser toner on Silicone sheet??

2009-09-25 by Stefan Trethan

I put the paper on a sheet of glass (old mirror), then I spread the
silicone with a stainless steel squeegee from the hardware store. You
can really scrape on the paper to get it as thin as possible. You need
slightly rough paper, like plain office photocopier paper, not inkjet
paper. The roughness will provide little valleys to fill with silicone
while the squeegee rides over the high points. You need a wide
squeegee to cover the whole page else you get a slight line where the
two passes join.

ST
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:30 PM, buckeyes1997 <buckeyes1997@...> wrote:
> ST
> Do you or can you recall the procedure for making the silicone coated sheets of paper?  I tried it but never got the silicone to spread very evenly.  That is why I thought the silicone sheets that can be bought from an online vendor might do well.  They are also fairly high temp sheets so I dont THINK the printer would melt it.
>
> matt

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