Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

On Apr 20, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Maurits van de Kamp wrote:

>
>> I just tried to point Apple's and Emagic's wrong doing in a polite 
>> way,
>> LUG moderator did not approve the message.
>
> What exactly did you write? Anything we haven't heared a thousand times
> before? And not filled with wild ideas about what Apple "probably" 
> does and
> "probably" thinks of us? Just curious. :o)

Are you really curious or you just want to pick a few points to grill 
me.
You sound very very opinionated towards people who criticize LUG 
moderators.
Why ask about what I wrote and then write all these long paragraphs 
before asking what it was?
I am sick of hypocrisy.

> I find freedom of speech is too often used as an excuse for verbal 
> abuse.

There is no such thing.
Ben Harper:
"If you don't like my fire, don't come around,
'cause, I'm gonna burn one down."
(As in if you do not like my post don't read it. Where is the abuse?
Bosses can abuse their employees. Or husbands and wives.
They have to live together until abuse is unbearable.)

It is the moderators who find kind excuses to protect Apple at the 
expense of preventing
people like me from expressing our selves freely.
I did not like their fire so I will stay away.

> And the topic is "Apple's wrongdoing"? Maybe people subscribing to the 
> list
> for actual help and advice from fellow users get tired of that subject 
> by
> now?

Yes it is and it should be heard.
They could listen and make their support better and Logic better.
Turning the deaf ear won't help.
You can tell me that they are not reading those forums.
Then it's really their fault.
They are the owner of Logic.
It should still be allowed for people to have an idea.
Knowing about Apple's bad support is useful to everyone and potential 
buyers.
You should check out Cubase Forum at times.
They are a lot more welcoming for criticism.
Why do you think that is?

> But, did it contain any useful information?

Yes, it did.
I mentioned me saying "You own this product and you should activate it."
At the end, it was activated.
May be next person in the same situation will say the same thing to get 
activation codes.
People could have given up and lost their Logic 6 Upgrade A money.
I came very close to it.
Some dealer is still selling them at Ebay.
Check it out.
Logic Platinum to pro upgrade for Logic 6.
If they are not sold, they will go back to Apple for refund for the 
dealer.
I helped Apple to keep their money.

> Hre we go again.. LUG is NOT APPLE!!!!!!

I can not believe you are so ignorant.
I have ben following LUG since version 2.5.
I know what is what.
People used to say "This is not the bug-report forum." at Emagic times.
However, it did help for a lot of bug fixes.
Sometimes, even people from Emagic (like Markus or Sascha) learned 
about the bugs there.
Then, they made use of it and made Logic better.
That is what the list is about as well as answering questions.
You either help someone who does not know how to do a certain thing
or... You can point out weak points of the software (support is one of 
them)
so people can make it better.

> Emagic doesn't exist anymore and the team IS now Apple, there's no one 
> to
> point a finger at.

Well, that is not what Apple tech said.
He said "Emagic should take care of support for version 6."
What is that if not pointing fingers?
Are you not reading my post?
What does the point of above sentence if it has any.

> Sorry, I agree the moderators are sometimes out of line, but I'm 
> getting SO
> SICK of this opressed-peasant-stuff and the wanking about
> we're-so-damn-good-with-our-democratic forums.

opressed-peasant-stuff?
What are you talking about?
Do you live in the moon?

>  And to think someone called
> LUG selfrighteous.
>
> There, you wanted freedom of speech? Here it is.

Yes, that is what I want.
Your answer is above.
If it bothers anyone, they should read the next post.

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