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firewire external hardrive for logic pro 7.

2005-05-11 by Thomas Grise

Hi.

Im new to both apples and logicPro 7.  I've been told that a "Disk too slow" problem can be solved by storing audio files on an external firewire harddrive.  Can anyone confirm this?  Also, what's a good one to purchase?  Or I'm up for building one as I am pretty electronically adept.  What are some criteria for such a devise.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Thanks.

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] firewire external hardrive for logic pro 7.

2005-05-11 by Maurits van de Kamp

> Im new to both apples and logicPro 7.  I've been told that a "Disk too
> slow" problem can be solved by storing audio files on an external firewire
> harddrive.  Can anyone confirm this?

Most likely not. However, note that there are two "too slow" errors: A CPU 
overload and a disk overload. CPU overloads, caused by a lack of processing 
power to deal with all the plugins, _can_ be relieved by an external firewire 
harddisk as this can induce slightly less load on the processor than an IDE 
drive (the Firewire filetransfer protocol is simpler and the interface does 
more of the work). On the Logic User Group, I've read reports both confirming 
and denying this, so your mileage may vary.

To get the best peformance overall, go for a fast disk, preferably either SATA 
or SCSI. SCSI drives are not necessarily faster than SATA drives, but they 
certainly put less strain on the processor. However it is quite an expensive 
solution and SATA might well be good enough.

What system do you have, which of the two overload errors do you get and in 
what situation (how many tracks, softsynths etc)..? There is no definitive 
way to get rid of a too slow-message for ever; it's just a matter of having a 
machine that can deal with your requirements.

Maurits.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] firewire external hardrive for logic pro 7.

2005-05-11 by Eddie Sullivan

On Wednesday, May 11, 2005, at 11:19 AM, Thomas Grise wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Im new to both apples and logicPro 7.  I've been told that a "Disk too 
> slow" problem can be solved by storing audio files on an external 
> firewire harddrive. 

All digital audio systems benefit from having the software and the OS 
on one drive, and then writing the audio files to a different drive. An 
external Firewire drive is fine for this. LaCie external firewire 
drives are very inexpensive, they start at under $100. You get better 
performance with a 7200 RPM drive, preferably one that has an onboard 
8MB cache.

Feel free to contact me off list if you want more help, I work for a 
Logic dealership.

Eddie
IMS




> Can anyone confirm this?  Also, what's a good one to purchase?  Or I'm 
> up for building one as I am pretty electronically adept.  What are 
> some criteria for such a devise.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Thanks.
>
> -Tom
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Re: [Logic_Cafe] firewire external hardrive for logic pro 7.

2005-05-11 by Chris Coccia

Thomas Grise wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Im new to both apples and logicPro 7.  I've been told that a "Disk too 
> slow" problem can be solved by storing audio files on an external 
> firewire harddrive.  Can anyone confirm this?  Also, what's a good one 
> to purchase?  Or I'm up for building one as I am pretty electronically 
> adept.  What are some criteria for such a devise.  Anyone?  Anyone?  Thanks.
> 
> -Tom
> 

Been using a Lacie d2 160GB FW drive with my Powerbook and G4 Tower for
about a year now. Cant say Ive had a single complaint about it.


-- 
Chris

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] firewire external hardrive for logic pro 7.

2005-05-11 by Thomas Grise

Thanks.
I have a 1.33 MHz G4 iBook.  I've had 512MB in it for a while but am updating to 1.25MB today.  Pretty pumped.  By the way, this may be common knowledge, but crucial.com is ubercheap for memory upgrades and it was recommended by a pretty seasoned apple-geek friend of mine.  My gig chip has half what I would've paid at the apple store.  Rock.  
 
Anyway.  So, I've received both "too slow" problems, each for the reason you'd expect.  
 
Too many plugins -> "cpu too slow" or "Core audio too slow"  (Hopefully my new memory situation will alleviate this problen)  
 
Too many audio tracks -> "Disk too slow"  This is the one Im hoping the external firewire drive will help with.
 
Im going to try out the new memory before i go and buya  drive, but I want to have a solution in mind when it happens again so I don't superfly-snucka(sp?) my iBook.

Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@...> wrote:
> Im new to both apples and logicPro 7.  I've been told that a "Disk too
> slow" problem can be solved by storing audio files on an external firewire
> harddrive.  Can anyone confirm this?

Most likely not. However, note that there are two "too slow" errors: A CPU 
overload and a disk overload. CPU overloads, caused by a lack of processing 
power to deal with all the plugins, _can_ be relieved by an external firewire 
harddisk as this can induce slightly less load on the processor than an IDE 
drive (the Firewire filetransfer protocol is simpler and the interface does 
more of the work). On the Logic User Group, I've read reports both confirming 
and denying this, so your mileage may vary.

To get the best peformance overall, go for a fast disk, preferably either SATA 
or SCSI. SCSI drives are not necessarily faster than SATA drives, but they 
certainly put less strain on the processor. However it is quite an expensive 
solution and SATA might well be good enough.

What system do you have, which of the two overload errors do you get and in 
what situation (how many tracks, softsynths etc)..? There is no definitive 
way to get rid of a too slow-message for ever; it's just a matter of having a 
machine that can deal with your requirements.

Maurits.


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Re: [Logic_Cafe] firewire external hardrive for logic pro 7.

2005-05-11 by Eddie Sullivan

On Wednesday, May 11, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Thomas Grise wrote:

> Thanks.
> I have a 1.33 MHz G4 iBook.  I've had 512MB in it for a while but am 
> updating to 1.25MB today.  Pretty pumped.  By the way, this may be 
> common knowledge, but crucial.com is ubercheap for memory upgrades and 
> it was recommended by a pretty seasoned apple-geek friend of mine.  My 
> gig chip has half what I would've paid at the apple store.  Rock. 


Even though Crucial Ram is good and cheaper than the Apple Store, it's 
still overpriced. You can get ram for much cheaper than that. Let me 
know what you're paying, I might be able to save you a few dollars.


>  
> Anyway.  So, I've received both "too slow" problems, each for the 
> reason you'd expect. 
>  
> Too many plugins -> "cpu too slow" or "Core audio too 
> slow"  (Hopefully my new memory situation will alleviate this > problen) 

That could be your core audio settings, the plug ins you are using, or 
the fact that the system bus speed on an iBook is not going to be very 
good for large digital audio projects. What audio interface are you 
using?


>  
> Too many audio tracks -> "Disk too slow"  This is the one Im hoping 
> the external firewire drive will help with.

An external FWHD should alleviate this, but will not solve the 
inherently slow system bus speed of the iBook.


>  
> Im going to try out the new memory before i go and buya  drive, but I 
> want to have a solution in mind when it happens again so I 
> don't superfly-snucka(sp?) my iBook.
>

Your iBook is going to be limited for doing serious digital audio, 
especially if you wish to use complex software synths and samplers and 
complex effects.

Eddie
IMS





> Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@...> wrote:
>
> > Im new to both apples and logicPro 7.  I've been told that a "Disk 
> too
> > slow" problem can be solved by storing audio files on an external 
> firewire
> > harddrive.  Can anyone confirm this?
>
> Most likely not. However, note that there are two "too slow" errors: A 
> CPU
> overload and a disk overload. CPU overloads, caused by a lack of 
> processing
> power to deal with all the plugins, _can_ be relieved by an external 
> firewire
> harddisk as this can induce slightly less load on the processor than 
> an IDE
> drive (the Firewire filetransfer protocol is simpler and the interface 
> does
> more of the work). On the Logic User Group, I've read reports both 
> confirming
> and denying this, so your mileage may vary.
>
> To get the best peformance overall, go for a fast disk, preferably 
> either SATA
> or SCSI. SCSI drives are not necessarily faster than SATA drives, but 
> they
> certainly put less strain on the processor. However it is quite an 
> expensive
> solution and SATA might well be good enough.
>
> What system do you have, which of the two overload errors do you get 
> and in
> what situation (how many tracks, softsynths etc)..? There is no 
> definitive
> way to get rid of a too slow-message for ever; it's just a matter of 
> having a
> machine that can deal with your requirements.
>
> Maurits.
>
>
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