Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I am having trouble when I create a mid file - trouble getting things
such as master 
volume, LSB,MSB, pan, reverb, chorus   included in the midi file. 
When you use the midi 
mixer, you can set these things - but then when you export the file, 
these things aren't 
saved with the file.   I suppose I could do one at a time in the text
editor - but surely 
there's a faster way.

and a 2nd question.....

I use a Yamaha XG midi module.  How can I get to see the XG
instruments available - in 
LOGIC?  It only displays the GM voices.

Well here I am responding to my own question.
I have discovered that Pro 7 has a command:

MIDI > Insert Instrument MIDI Settings as Events

that Express 6 doesn't.  I don't really see how it's possible that a program with Logic's 
pedigree - going right back to Atari - can't easily create a proper midi file.

Am I missing something??

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "tim_trax" <thallman@c...> wrote:
> Well here I am responding to my own question.
> I have discovered that Pro 7 has a command:
> 
> MIDI > Insert Instrument MIDI Settings as Events
> 
> that Express 6 doesn't.  I don't really see how it's possible that a 
program with Logic's 
> pedigree - going right back to Atari - can't easily create a proper 
midi file.
> 
> Am I missing something??

I have logic 4 & 5 and they both have export as midi file in the file 
menu. I don't have 6 or 7 but have used export midi funcion from the 
file menu on both 4 and 5

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "gswerner2002" <gswerner2002@y...> wrote:
> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "tim_trax" <thallman@c...> wrote:
> > Well here I am responding to my own question.
> > I have discovered that Pro 7 has a command:
> > 
> > MIDI > Insert Instrument MIDI Settings as Events
> > 
> > that Express 6 doesn't.  I don't really see how it's possible that a 
> program with Logic's 
> > pedigree - going right back to Atari - can't easily create a proper 
> midi file.
> > 
> > Am I missing something??
> 
> I have logic 4 & 5 and they both have export as midi file in the file 
> menu. I don't have 6 or 7 but have used export midi funcion from the 
> file menu on both 4 and 5

The problem is getting the settings you want  - reverb, chorus, pan, program changes - 
into a track as events.  Without the MIDI > Insert Instrument MIDI Settings as Events thing,  
you have to do a workaround as far as I can tell.  Either enter them individually per track in 
the text editor or create a template and superimpose the template values on your file.
Unless you have these elemtnets as events per track,  many things won't play a Logic-
created midi file.

I know I'm not explaining this problem correctly so I'll try again.
In a past life I worked in a PC midi program (DOP)  where you basically filled out a chart on 
the 'arrange page' .  When you saved as a midi file the chart things (ie reverb, pan etc)  
ended up in the tracks as events

However.....

In Logic Express 6,  it seems you create your pan, reverb , etc.  settings on that track box 
on the left of the arrange page. (forget what that box is called)
HOWEVER  - WHEN YOU EXPORT AS MIDI  FILE - THOSE SETTINGS DO NOT GO WITH THE 
MIDI FILE.   You would have to enter them individually into each track as midi events.

In Logic Pro 7 there is a (and i quote)  MIDI > Insert Instrument MIDI Settings as Events.

Without that command in Express6  you would have to enter each event individually - this 
could take hours per file.  (unless you use a template workaround or some such thing)

So again my question is - IN EXPRESS 6   is there a way to get contollers settings reflected 
as events in an exported midi file.

Yes that's the workaround - basically use a template and create your midi file from it.
And that won't be hard .  I'll create it on my PC program and import it.  As  I said in my 
first offering,  it's pretty dumb that a program that's been around as long as Logic 
wouldn't be easier to use for midi.  Creating events in a text editor one at a time is pretty 
tedious - even using copying and pasting. Thanks for your thoughts.!!








--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:

> > So again my question is - IN EXPRESS 6   is there a way to get contollers 
> > settings reflected
> > as events in an exported midi file.
> > 
> 
> I've never used Express, so I can't answer your question well. I've never 
> even seen it in operation and don't know the differences. But IF there is a midi 
> control number for reverb and so forth, then it doesn't take long to create an 
> event in the event list editor. Assuming this functionality is not built in 
> to Express, you can solve it without too much trouble in this way
> 1. Find out the midi control number for each item you want to affect. (These 
> are usually listed in the manual for your synth, found online, inspecting a 
> file made by your previous PC program, or as I said before, hit record in logic, 
> and alter that parameter on the synth itself)
> 2. Then create a little one bar sequence with one each of what you want - 
> reverb, pan, chorus, etc. 
> 3. From this point on, all you have to do is copy that sequence to bar before 
> your song starts on any track for that synth, in any logic song. Then edit 
> the values accordingly in the event list.

> 
> Doesn't Logic Express have some preference like "send used instrument 
> settings"?


I've looked hard and I can't find it.  Seems unbelievable but true.