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... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-22 by tony vincent

this may open up a can of worms\u2014 but if you all had an extra $500-$1000, what plugins would you all look at? dynamics? vsti? exs-sample cds? i\u2019ve got quite an extensive sample library at the moment (although have always been intrigued by the BFD vsti). the only dynamic plug-in that i really use a lot is metric halo’s channelstrip. UAD-1 card? waves bundle? best utilization of funds\u2014 even freeware/shareware to stretch the doe-ray-me\u201d would be appreciated.
thanks,
tv

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-22 by Chris Coccia

tony vincent wrote:
> this may open up a can of worms\ufffd but if you all had an extra $500-$1000, 
> what plugins would you all look at?  dynamics?  vsti?  exs-sample cds? 
>  i\ufffdve got quite an extensive sample library at the moment (although have 
> always been intrigued by the BFD vsti).  the only dynamic plug-in that i 
> really use a lot is metric halo\ufffds channelstrip.  UAD-1 card? waves 
> bundle? best utilization of funds\ufffd even freeware/shareware to stretch 
> the doe-ray-me\ufffd would be appreciated.
> thanks,
> tv
>  

Id buy another monitor or upgrade my preamps or something along that 
line.. But then again, other than the few 3rd party softsynths I use, 
most of the plugs that come with Logic do it for me.. ;)


-- 
Chris

http://www.descentrecords.com

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-22 by Gio

On Jun 22, 2005, at 3:53 PM, tony vincent wrote:

> this may open up a can of worms— but if you all had an extra 
> $500-$1000, what plugins would you all look at?  dynamics?  vsti? 
>  exs-sample cds?  i’ve got quite an extensive sample library at the 
> moment (although have always been intrigued by the BFD vsti).  the 
> only dynamic plug-in that i really use a lot is metric halo’s 
> channelstrip.  UAD-1 card? waves bundle? best utilization of funds— 
> even freeware/shareware to stretch the doe-ray-me” would be 
> appreciated.
>  thanks,
>  tv
>   

Libraries Libraries Libs.
Cant go wrong adding all sorts of sounds/loops/construction kits etc.
Anything to add to the arsenal of sounds
IMHO that is.
Good luck
Ciao
Gio

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-22 by GAmoore@aol.com

This is a good question because if you bought about 1/3 of the main things 
you see out there you'd spend $5000 on plugs alone. I was hoping that the prices 
would come down on these things as more and more people used computers for 
music (the economy of scale) and the competition.

Two plugs I use all the time are Equium and Finalis from Elemental, and they 
are reasonably priced and work really well. Those are well designed plugs 
which allow you to do what you want quickly - a lesson that I wish most other plug 
makers would consider well. 

The UAD card is a good deal in a sense, but there are some 
not-waking-from-sleep issues, and none of the delays or modualtions are linked to song tempo 
like most modern plugs, so I tend to mainly use the compressors, quirky and 
unfathomable as they are. I wish they would get off this "vintage religion" and 
make products in 2005 that use the best of the old, along with modern convenience 
and features.

The PSP people have good stuff and are really, really good about updates and 
reasonable prices. However, I find their stuff a little hard to use. But those 
are excellent values and there are sales and group buys at times. (I own the 
Mixpack, Vintage Warmer, and Nitro).

I have kind of lusted after the Blue Tubes stuff, but at $400 its just not 
worth it when I already have other good tools. I tried the demos and I really 
like the way they sound and the clean interface.

There's the BBE sonic maximizer which is about $100 and uniquely beneficial. 
It adds some sparkle and bottom. Logic now comes with a free knock off of it, 
so its unclear how much better the real thing is.

Waves stuff is good, but way overpriced and way overprotected. I bought two 
bundles but didn't upgrade them to X. Some people boycott them because of what 
Israel is doing to the Palestinians, but   using that Logic there are other 
countries' software that would suffer too.

People on LUG were swearing by Sonaliksis - but expensive and redundant in my 
view (after just a little testing but not extensively).

I just tried out Synful after being very impressed by the demo mp3s, however 
was very let down by the actual sound of the thing, and deleted the demo off 
of my computer. 

Samples are ok, but I buy stuff then don't use it. It can become like 
collection baseball cards - never enough. Same thing with Battery kits and so forth.

I think the bottom line is to control expenses. I "treat" myself with a plug 
or softsynth every once in a while, but these expenses add up .. big time! So 
spend wisely.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-22 by Gregory Anderson

I'd get auto-tune or maybe Melodyne, and the PSP vintage warmer.  
Probably Reason as well, although I guess it is technically not a plug. 
  But frankly, at this point I can't even run enough instances of the 
plugs I already own, so I would in reality bank the $1k until I had 
$5k, then buy two dual-processor G5's so I could stop wasting time and 
enduring frustration trying to be efficient with my plug use.

On Jun 22, 2005, at 7:07 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

>  There's the BBE sonic maximizer which is about $100 and uniquely 
> beneficial. It adds some sparkle and bottom. Logic now comes with a 
> free knock off of it, so its unclear how much better the real thing 
> is.

If I didn't already own the Sonic Maximizer, I would definitely buy 
that before banking the remaining $900 for the computers.

Which logic plug are you talking about that is a knockoff of BBE?  I 
want to compare the two.

Gregory

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-23 by GAmoore@aol.com


In a message dated 6/22/05 4:22:28 PM, glists@... writes:
I'd get auto-tune or maybe Melodyne, and the PSP vintage warmer.


Melodyne is a standalone like Reason but I guess you can rewire it?



> There's the BBE sonic maximizer which is about $100 and uniquely
> beneficial. It adds some sparkle and bottom. Logic now comes with a
> free knock off of it, so its unclear how much better the real thing
> is.

If I didn't already own the Sonic Maximizer, I would definitely buy
that before banking the remaining $900 for the computers.

Which logic plug are you talking about that is a knockoff of BBE? I
want to compare the two.


I think its called Exciter. Ableton Live has one like it too. But the BBE is simpler - just two controls. I bought the BBE when it came out originally (VST os 9) but then then Virsonic sold out or someething, and BBE took it over, and they give absolute no credit or upgrade path from the Virsonic BBE to theres (they had licensed it to them). So I hate to spend full price for the same plug twice. So the BBE is among Waves and Metasynth and other stuff that I am keeping on a os 9 drive.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-23 by Ben Harrison

On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 01:53:48PM -0700, tony vincent wrote:
> this may open up a can of worms? but if you all had an extra $500-$1000, what
> plugins would you all look at?

If I had an extra $500 for a "plug-in", i'd buy myself a butt probe.

http://www.metasonix.com/TX2.htm

Wait, what kind of plug-in?

-- 
Ben Harrison

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-23 by Eddie Sullivan

On Thursday, June 23, 2005, at 04:33  PM, Ben Harrison wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 01:53:48PM -0700, tony vincent wrote:
>> this may open up a can of worms? but if you all had an extra 
>> $500-$1000, what
>> plugins would you all look at?
>
> If I had an extra $500 for a "plug-in", i'd buy myself a butt probe.

this is really, really funny, on so many different levels...

: D

Eddie
IMS

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-23 by GAmoore@aol.com

> If I had an extra $500 for a "plug-in", i'd buy myself a butt probe.

this is really, really funny, on so many different levels...


but i am wondering about the music making potenial of this new type of controller.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-24 by Gregory Anderson

On Jun 22, 2005, at 8:05 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

>>
>>  Which logic plug are you talking about that is a knockoff of BBE?  I
>>  want to compare the two.
>
>  I think its called Exciter. Ableton Live has one like it too. But the 
> BBE is simpler - just two controls. I bought the BBE when it came out 
> originally (VST os 9) but then then Virsonic sold out or someething, 
> and BBE took it over, and they give absolute no credit or upgrade path 
> from the Virsonic BBE to theres (they had licensed it to them). So I 
> hate to spend full price for the same plug twice. So the BBE is among 
> Waves and Metasynth and other stuff that I am keeping on a os 9 drive.

I went through the same bullshit with my Sonic Maximizer, except I 
relented and paid another $100 for the new one so I wouldn't have to 
maintain an OS 9 disk.  I made numerous calls, and no one at BBE seemed 
to have a clue about this plugin.  Maybe it was all an act so they 
could get out of offering an upgrade path.  Their attitude was 
completely unprofessional and it killed me to be giving them my money.  
I wish Virsonix had just kept the thing and made it their own.  End 
Rant.

As for exciters, they don't address the main effect of the Sonic 
Maximizer - differentially adjusting the phase relationships and 
envelopes of high, middle and low ranges of the spectrum.   Just adding 
high frequency content is not even in the same ballpark.  So I think 
we're stuck dealing with BBE on this product until someone comes along 
with a similar process.

I'm still going to do a comparison though.  Maybe the high freq 
enhancement is a bigger part of the effect than I think.

Gregory

Re: ... if you had an extra $500-$1000...?

2005-06-24 by bobsafir

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Anderson <glists@c...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2005, at 8:05 PM, GAmoore@a... wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>  Which logic plug are you talking about that is a knockoff of 
BBE?  I
> >>  want to compare the two.
> >
> >  > 
> I'm still going to do a comparison though.  Maybe the high freq 
> enhancement is a bigger part of the effect than I think.
> 
> Gregory

Gregory:
I think your instincts are right and that the adjustments of phase 
relationships in the Maximizer product provide an effect that is WAY 
different -- and better -- than tweaking the high end.  I have used 
Maximizers for fifteeen years and I swear by them.  I wish there 
were a better situation with BBE so that using it in Logic were 
easier.
-Bob

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