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Automation wet/dry mix & a cup of tea please

Automation wet/dry mix & a cup of tea please

2005-07-19 by JANEK SCHAEFER

Ooo, hi there \u2013 do you mind if I sit at your table...

Hi I\u2019m new in the café today \u2013 been using Logic 4 on OS9 for years and years.
Decided I must move up to OS X \u2013 so I bought Logic Pro 7.1 yesterday.
The main thing I am interested in is the plugin automation feature which allows to to control the plugin behaviours on the track.

I worked out last night how it works using automation of each parameter in the plugin window \u2013 but the one thing I would like to do is control the plugin wet/dry amount on a track, rather than just each specific parameter.... How to select the whole effect to make the change rather than just one component...

I\u2019d like to use my favourite Fat EQ \u2013 then be able to define with a line how much that effect is changing the track... A bit like sending via aux on my Mackie mixer I guess \u2013 but in an automation window with lines... And I want it to be very simple rather than loads of browser/popup windows to negotiate....
I can only [so far] see how I change the master fader in that plugin which is not the same \u2013 but not how to alter the wet/dry mix.

Any ideas most welcome as it\u2019s the one thing I wanted to achieve with all my systems and machines upgrading that has taken about 3 weeks to finish!


Thanks -

Janek

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Re: [Logic_Cafe] Automation wet/dry mix & a cup of tea please

2005-07-19 by Maurits van de Kamp

> Ooo, hi there \ufffd do you mind if I sit at your table...

Not if you're a cute girl. ;o)

> the plugin window \ufffd but the one thing I would like to do is control the
> plugin wet/dry amount on a track, rather than just each specific
> parameter....

The plugins where this makes sense (ie the plugins that add something to
the original sound rather than modifying it), have a control for this.

> I\ufffdd like to use my favourite Fat EQ

If you're switching to 7.1, quickly get used to the Channel EQ instead
of the Fat EQ. You'll love it! :o)


>\ufffd then be able to define with a line how
> much that effect is changing the track... A bit like sending via aux on my
> Mackie mixer I guess \ufffd but in an automation window with lines..

Well EQ is an example where "wet/dry" is not really appliccable (it
wouldn't be on a mixer either since EQs are inserted, not
sent/returned). The closest to what you're asking would be a single
control that turns all other controls to zero but if this is part of
your mixing technique, I'd suggest a different technique. ;o) (And if
you just want to hear the difference, the bypass button should be enough..)

Maurits.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Automation wet/dry mix & a cup of tea please

2005-07-19 by GAmoore@aol.com


In a message dated 7/19/05 5:44:08 AM, Janek@... writes:

but the one thing I would like to do is control the plugin wet/dry amount on a track, rather than just each specific parameter.... How to select the whole effect to make the change rather than just one component...I’d like to use my favourite Fat EQ – then be able to define with a line how much that effect is changing the track... A bit like sending via aux on my Mackie mixer I guess


Hi Janek. Your last sentence in the quote above is exactly the thing to think about here. You can do the same thing in Logic. When you insert a plug on an audio track, soft instrument, or output pair, then the entire signal is routed throught the plug - except for a few plugs which have wet/dry parameters like some of the reverbs (actually I wish more had that feature!). But if you want a variable amount of fx, then insert the plug on one of the busses instead (you can seem them on the audio mixer window). Then go to your audio track or soft instrument, and using the channel strip use the SEND and choose that same buss. You can adjust the amount of send from a little tiny rotary software knob on the channel strip - and I think that is automatable. This is also a more efficient way of doing things since several tracks can be fed into the same reverb buss in varying amounts, rather than setting up the same plug on each track.

If you just want on/off - you can automate that for anything without using the sends/buss. Just automate and hit the bypass button on the plug. This is good for the tape delay where you might want the last syllable to get an echo but not the rest.

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Automation wet/dry mix & a cup of tea please

2005-07-19 by GAmoore@aol.com


In a message dated 7/19/05 5:51:31 AM, maurits@... writes:


The plugins where this makes sense (ie the plugins that add something to
the original sound rather than modifying it), have a control for this.


I think there are a lot of plugs which do not have this. For example, the distortion plug ins, and the compressor plugs. If you could do wet/dry with a compressor you could get both dynamic hits and smooth solid sound.



> I
d like to use my favourite Fat EQ

If you're switching to 7.1, quickly get used to the Channel EQ instead
of the Fat EQ. You'll love it! :o)



EQium by Elemental is totally great. I can sculpt a sound really fast and get it just the way I want it.


Well EQ is an example where "wet/dry" is not really appliccable


maybe not normally applicable in a standard setting, but it would have its uses. suppose you wanted to gradually make a track brighter by adding in some high harmonics. actually it might be very useful to have a separate buss with a eq and bitcrusher that could be automated.


Re: [Logic_Cafe] Automation wet/dry mix & a cup of tea please

2005-07-19 by Maurits van de Kamp

> I think there are a lot of plugs which do not have this. For example, the 
> distortion plug ins, and the compressor plugs.

Exactly; these are plugins that do not simply add an effect to your
sound, but modify it completely. Hence a "dry/wet" balance has no
meaning. Unless you want to sum it with the original sound as Gary
suggested. Which is possible, but it's logical that the effect doesn't
provide this setting since it has nothing to do with the effect itself
really.

> If you could do wet/dry with a 
> compressor you could get both dynamic hits and smooth solid sound.

As I said there's no wet and dry with a compressor, but if you mean
adding the original sound and the compressed sound, I think you just
made up a very complicated way of changing the gain/threshold combination.

> > Well EQ is an example where "wet/dry" is not really appliccable 
> 
> maybe not normally applicable in a standard setting,

What I mean is that there is no such thing as wet and dry there. So
there's actually no way to implement that.

With a reverb, some sound is added to the original. There you can put a
switch on the balance between the original and the added sound. But
compressors and EQs modify the sound itself, so there is no "dry" sound
(and no "water") that can be defined in the result.

> but it would have its 
> uses. suppose you wanted to gradually make a track brighter by adding
in some 
> high harmonics.

Well then just increase those harmonics. Or use an exiter, which _adds_
sound like a reverb (I think it lacks a wet/dry mix, but the level is
just one knob anyway). :o)

> actually it might be very useful to have a separate buss with a 
> eq and bitcrusher that could be automated.

No trouble there! :o)

Maurits.

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