Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Is there any way in Logic Pro 7 to PREVENT plug-ins from loading to a file where they are 
allocated if one only wants to edit MIDI data or other non-audio parameters?

For example, I would like to copy tracks from one .lso file to another, but the process of 
switching between two files that are simultaneously open (as Apple's software allows), 
causes all audio instrument plug-ins to reload to the active file each and every time a 
switch between active files is made - very time consuming and unnecessary for just a 
copy-paste operation.

A real bug-a-boo, if you ask me.  I would love to know if there is an easy solution to this.

Michael S.

> Is there any way in Logic Pro 7 to PREVENT plug-ins from loading to a file
> where they are allocated if one only wants to edit MIDI data or other
> non-audio parameters?

Hmm, interesting one.. What if you simply delete all audio objects in the song 
you're copying from (and then obviously don't save that one), will it still 
keep loading the data for the plugins from the other song?

Maurits.

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@b...> wrote:
> > Is there any way in Logic Pro 7 to PREVENT plug-ins from loading to a file
> > where they are allocated if one only wants to edit MIDI data or other
> > non-audio parameters?
> 
> Hmm, interesting one.. What if you simply delete all audio objects in the song 
> you're copying from (and then obviously don't save that one), will it still 
> keep loading the data for the plugins from the other song?
> 
> Maurits.

Unfortunately, it's the song with the plug-ins that I am pasting into (being the actual work 
in progress).  I would not want to clear those plug-ins after the labor involved in building 
them. 

It's not that one song is loading plug-ins from the other song (if I understand your 
answer).  The target song reloads its own plug-ins each and every time it is switched from 
'background' to 'foreground'.


Michael

> It's not that one song is loading plug-ins from the other song (if I
> understand your answer).  The target song reloads its own plug-ins each and
> every time it is switched from 'background' to 'foreground'.

Ok, no what I thought was that plugins used in both songs, had to load 
different settings when switching from one song to another, so I thought it 
might be solved if they are only used in one of the songs. But I guess 
not. :o)

What about freezing the tracks, as suggested in LUG?

Maurits.

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Maurits van de Kamp <maurits@b...> wrote:
> > It's not that one song is loading plug-ins from the other song (if I
> > understand your answer).  The target song reloads its own plug-ins each and
> > every time it is switched from 'background' to 'foreground'.
> 
> Ok, no what I thought was that plugins used in both songs, had to load 
> different settings when switching from one song to another, so I thought it 
> might be solved if they are only used in one of the songs. But I guess 
> not. :o)
> 
> What about freezing the tracks, as suggested in LUG?
> 
> Maurits.

You know, that might work.  I'll give it a try next time I'm working thusly.

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 7/18/05 2:09:36 PM, maurits@b... writes:
> 
> 
> > What about freezing the tracks, as suggested in LUG?
> > 
> 
> I don't think that prevents loading samples (e.g. GPO, Ultrabeat...) eat time 
> does it? But your other idea will definitely work - just open the song once, 
> create new empty tracks, move your regions to them, then delete the previous 
> audio tracks/objects so you lose the plugs fast. Then save as "temp song file" 
> so you don't mess it up. then copy the regions to the new song.

Sounds like that takes more time than letting the plug-ins load.  Plus, all the plug-ins 
would have to be 'rebuilt' if they are deleted - sort of defeats the purpose.

Michael

> > What about freezing the tracks, as suggested in LUG?
>
> I don't think that prevents loading samples (e.g. GPO, Ultrabeat...) eat
> time does it?

I don't know (no Logic around for the moment to try it out), it could be that 
they don't reload anything until the tracks are unfrozen again.

> But your other idea will definitely work - just open the song 
> once, create new empty tracks, move your regions to them, then delete the
> previous audio tracks/objects so you lose the plugs fast. Then save as
> "temp song file" so you don't mess it up. then copy the regions to the new
> song.

I hadn't even thought about copying it to a new song but yes that'll work! :o)

Maurits.

By the way, its to Logic''s credit that I can open songs made with 
Logic 3.0 in 1997-8, and they work fine in 7.1. I just copy everything 
to a new autoload instead of re-doing everything though.

Hi,

On 18-Jul-05, at 7:30 PM, Michael Sirotta wrote:

>  Sounds like that takes more time than letting the plug-ins load.  
> Plus, all the plug-ins
>  would have to be 'rebuilt' if they are deleted - sort of defeats the 
> purpose.

I had a thought which *may* work (I haven't tried it yet).  Before 
booting up Logic, try moving your AU's out of the Components folder to 
a temp one.  Bring up both songs.  The one with the plugins will have 
the AU plugs with a line through them (ie they won't load).  Do your 
copy and pasting and then save the "plugins" song (under a new name 
until you know that this works).  Bring down Logic, put back the AU's 
and then reload Logic with your song.  That may work a little bit 
faster although still probably slower than you want since you need to 
wait for Logic to boot up again.  If you use a bunch of Logic plugins, 
then it won't make it any faster I'm afraid since you can't control 
their behavior.  If you freeze exs-24 tracks, I believe that they will 
load up without loading the samples until you unfreeze. That may also 
help.  Just  a suggestion.  HTH,

Fernstudio

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Fernstudio <fernstudio@t...> wrote:
> 
> I had a thought which *may* work (I haven't tried it yet).  Before 
> booting up Logic, try moving your AU's out of the Components folder to 
> a temp one.  Bring up both songs.  The one with the plugins will have 
> the AU plugs with a line through them (ie they won't load).  Do your 
> copy and pasting and then save the "plugins" song (under a new name 
> until you know that this works).  Bring down Logic, put back the AU's 
> and then reload Logic with your song.  That may work a little bit 
> faster although still probably slower than you want since you need to 
> wait for Logic to boot up again.  If you use a bunch of Logic plugins, 
> then it won't make it any faster I'm afraid since you can't control 
> their behavior.  If you freeze exs-24 tracks, I believe that they will 
> load up without loading the samples until you unfreeze. That may also 
> help.  Just  a suggestion.  HTH,
> 
> Fernstudio

Thanks.  It sounds like a good idea.  Actually, I don't mind the EXS24 plug-in load-up 
times (extremely fast).  But I also make extensive use of East West's Symphony Orchestra 
Gold's (Native Instruments) plug-ins and they take FOREVER to load (very fat samples).  I'll 
check for their AU  files in the components folder and perhaps try your suggestion for 
those.

Thanks again,

Michael

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Fernstudio <fernstudio@t...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 18-Jul-05, at 7:30 PM, Michael Sirotta wrote:
> 
> >  Sounds like that takes more time than letting the plug-ins load.  
> > Plus, all the plug-ins
> >  would have to be 'rebuilt' if they are deleted - sort of defeats the 
> > purpose.
> 
> I had a thought which *may* work (I haven't tried it yet).  Before 
> booting up Logic, try moving your AU's out of the Components folder to 
> a temp one.  Bring up both songs.  The one with the plugins will have 
> the AU plugs with a line through them (ie they won't load).  Do your 
> copy and pasting and then save the "plugins" song (under a new name 
> until you know that this works).  Bring down Logic, put back the AU's 
> and then reload Logic with your song.  That may work a little bit 
> faster although still probably slower than you want since you need to 
> wait for Logic to boot up again.  If you use a bunch of Logic plugins, 
> then it won't make it any faster I'm afraid since you can't control 
> their behavior.  If you freeze exs-24 tracks, I believe that they will 
> load up without loading the samples until you unfreeze. That may also 
> help.  Just  a suggestion.  HTH,
> 
> Fernstudio

But, oh, why can't there just be a toggle written intro the software!
Exasperating!  :-S