Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Hello all, 

This may not be the best place to post this, but I was looking for any 
information on Swing, and Mixable dance music tracks.  Currently, I'm 
completing tracks and attempting to mix them with regular vinyl, and 
I'm finding I can not get my tracks to sync up properly. I started 
listening closer, and I'm noticing that my tracks don't have a swinging 
feel to it.  Now I know about the swing function in logic, but every 
time I seem to use the function, it doesn't seem to make sense to me. 
Do I swing every componet of my track? Or do I just apply swing to 
drums, and certain other instruments? Or is there some sort of number 
of mesures were the first hit is dead on and the rest of the x number 
of bars has the swing until the point where it starts over again, I'm 
just really confused about swing. Which I know is a major portion of 
making mixable music of any genre, so if anyone could point me in the 
right direction that would be great. or if anyone can point me to some 
place that may have the answer I'm looking for that would be great.  

Thanks, 
chuck

GAmoore

that sounds close to what I'm looking for but it not
excatly it.  I looking for information on how to start
from scratch.  Mainly the basics of how it works for
dance music, and mixable music. Thanks for the
information. 

chuck

--- GAmoore@... wrote:

> You can take a piece of audio with the right kind of
> swing, convert to midi 
> in Logic, then use that as groove template so you
> can take other midi files and 
> beats right on the beat will have the swing of the
> midi file extracted from 
> the audio. you may need to add or take away some
> beats in the midi sequence or 
> tweak it to your tastes. but i think the connection
> is a live one where you 
> can alter the midi template and the rest will change
> during play back.
> 


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it always struck me as pretty artificial - the idea of delaying 8ths or 16ths by fixed amounts. Its better than everything completely quantized. You might also check out the DNA groove things. That Canadian guy analyzed hit songs of the 60's (maybe RnB mostly) and graphed the swing, and some notes were ahead of the beat and some behind. He sells them and you can load them into Logic. I think they are $80 a set.

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Franklin <dachillone4u@...>
To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Swing and Mixable tracks


GAmoore

that sounds close to what I'm looking for but it not
excatly it.  I looking for information on how to start
from scratch.  Mainly the basics of how it works for
dance music, and mixable music. Thanks for the
information. 

chuck

--- GAmoore@... wrote:

> You can take a piece of audio with the right kind of
> swing, convert to midi 
> in Logic, then use that as groove template so you
> can take other midi files and 
> beats right on the beat will have the swing of the
> midi file extracted from 
> the audio. you may need to add or take away some
> beats in the midi sequence or 
> tweak it to your tastes. but i think the connection
> is a live one where you 
> can alter the midi template and the rest will change
> during play back.
> 


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That sounds pretty cool... the DNA thing, I'll have to
check into it.  I'm pretty much a learn on my own kind
of guy or if I can read a manual that works wonders,
but for this issue it seems more like an industry kind
of thing. See until now I haven't gotten to play a
track I complete next to another track that I have
bought, and I didn't want to do anything like that
until I felt more comfortable with my skills, and
music knowledge. After about 6 years I'm now just
getting around to actually playing my own tracks, with
other tracks it syncs up properly just with beat
matching. My tracks seem to never get matched
properly, and slip out of place very quickly. I'm
assuming it's a swing thing. I just don't understand
how swing works. Because just moving everything over a
little bit (in my mind at least) still leaves
everything quantized the way it was before. That's why
I thought it was like maybe you only move the beats,
or maybe the beats and some intruments, but not
everything. If there is any other information you have
lay it on me thanks for all the help so far. 

thanks, 
chuck
--- GAmoore@... wrote:

> it always struck me as pretty artificial - the idea
> of delaying 8ths or 16ths by fixed amounts. Its
> better than everything completely quantized. You
> might also check out the DNA groove things. That
> Canadian guy analyzed hit songs of the 60's (maybe
> RnB mostly) and graphed the swing, and some notes
> were ahead of the beat and some behind. He sells
> them and you can load them into Logic. I think they
> are $80 a set.
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Franklin <dachillone4u@...>
> To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [Logic_Cafe] Swing and Mixable tracks
> 
> 
> GAmoore
> 
> that sounds close to what I'm looking for but it not
> excatly it.  I looking for information on how to
> start
> from scratch.  Mainly the basics of how it works for
> dance music, and mixable music. Thanks for the
> information. 
> 
> chuck
> 
> --- GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
> > You can take a piece of audio with the right kind
> of
> > swing, convert to midi 
> > in Logic, then use that as groove template so you
> > can take other midi files and 
> > beats right on the beat will have the swing of the
> > midi file extracted from 
> > the audio. you may need to add or take away some
> > beats in the midi sequence or 
> > tweak it to your tastes. but i think the
> connection
> > is a live one where you 
> > can alter the midi template and the rest will
> change
> > during play back.
> > 
> 
> 
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On the home page of the Logic User Group (LUG) in the files section 
there are Cubase and Akai MPC swing files available. You can import 
these into Logic. They are quite good.

On Wednesday, April 19, 2006, at 08:57  PM, Charles Franklin wrote:

> That sounds pretty cool... the DNA thing, I'll have to
> check into it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Eddie
IMS ProA/V

Have you used them?   think they are templates rather than swing though.

> On the home page of the Logic User Group (LUG) in the files section
> there are Cubase and Akai MPC swing files available. You can import
> these into Logic. They are quite good.
>

They are quantization templates, absolutely, that contain different 
values of 'swing' when you apply them. I have used them and they are 
the exact 'swing' or quantization values that are in Cubase and the 
MPC, so if you like those- you're gonna like these : )

On Thursday, April 20, 2006, at 12:20  PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Have you used them?  think they are templates rather than swing though.
>


Eddie
IMS ProA/V

> Subject: Re: Swing and Mixable tracks
> 
> On the home page of the Logic User Group (LUG) in the files section
> there are Cubase and Akai MPC swing files available. You can import
> these into Logic. They are quite good.

does anyone have the proper link?  i can't find it on the home page of LUG.
thanks,
tv