Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

Both Pitch 'n Time and Izoptrope's new Radius are half price right now 
@ $199.

To help people compare the two, I've pitch-shifted a 30-second 
cello/piano duet up 400 cents using Logic's own algorithm, 
Pitch'nTime's and Radius'.  I've uploaded them to the FILES section of 
the group website in a zipped file named "IzotopeVSerato.zip ".  The 
zip file contains the three pitch-shifted samples plus the original, in 
  A min.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Logic_Cafe/files/

Logic's native algorithm sucks big time, but I can't hear much 
difference between the two 3rd party versions.  Can any of you?  I'll 
try slowing down or pitching down with some different material to see 
if that can differentiate the two.  I'm interested in others' opinions, 
as I probably will end up getting one or the other.

Thanks,

Gregory

That's actually through a group buy that they've put together on the 
other list.

LUG Group Buy for Serato's Pitch n' Time LE until May 31st!
http://logic-users.org/groupbuy/serato

Izotope's introductory offer came in an email promo

Gregory

On May 22, 2006, at 1:34 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Where do you see that offer for Serato at half price?
>
>
>> Both Pitch 'n Time and Izoptrope's new Radius are half price right now
>>  @ $199.
>

On May 22, 2006, at 1:32 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Thats great, how do you happen to have both?

They are demos.  I'm still deciding.  Serato's demo requires an iLok 
and is limited time.  Izotope's doesn't but adds silence every minute 
or something.

> Hey can you make two more tests? One thing is to slow down a pop piece 
> in an extreme way - say a 6th or even octave.

I tried slowing a vocal part by 20%, and it sounded great in both.  
I'll try again but by 40%.   I thought the real tough task would be 
slowing it down AND raising pitch.  There everything faltered, because 
I couldn't get the harmonic correction to work.  Both progs just show 
up in Logics Time Machine as alternate algorithms.  But when I turn on 
Harmonic Correction, I get an error message.  I don't know if that's 
because that isn't implemented, or if there is some failsafe where it 
can only be used with a small range of change.  Radius has a popup 
control window with additional parameters, one of which is harmonic 
correction, but I either used it wrong or it didn't work.  I'll try 
some different combos tonight and post the results.

> And the other thing, is can you slow down a drum loop - supposedly 
> Izotope has transient features which might allow it hold good 
> transients even as it slows down. But tests would help demonstrate 
> that.

That would be the easiest task of all, wouldn't it?

Gregory

Serato's is easier because it doesn't have the weird control window 
thingy.  But all that does is offer extra functionality, so feature by 
feature, they're pretty much the same because they use the pre-existing 
logic interface.

However, Izotrope's is way slower to render.

  I've got to figure out the harmonic correction though.  It would be 
hard to believe that Pitch in Time lacks that feature, and I would hope 
that Radius works better than my experience last night showed.  Without 
harmonic correction, neither would be of any use to me.


Gregory

On May 22, 2006, at 5:08 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> What do you think about the ease of use of the two programs?

Hey Brad,

     I've been using an old Ensoniq ASR-10 as my keyboard controller.   The reason I think 
it's worth noting is that this is a sampler, and so with a good used sampler you also get a 
sample library (probably included).   The samples can be a great help for the 
programming.  I end up using a lot of the brass sounds, or double up something like 
strings or organ sounds.   

     Using outboard sounds also lightens the CPU load of your computer.

     Just a thought/idea.

     Here's an ASR on eBay (California).    

http://cgi.ebay.com/ENSONIQ-ASR-10-Keyboard-Sampler-Music-Synth-ASR10-
NR_W0QQitemZ7417820267QQcategoryZ64426QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

     I doubt you can get an ASR for under $400.  That's the downside, might be more than 
you were hoping to spend?  Maybe other sampler keyboards you could get for the price 
range you're talking about??   If you are a piano player, there is an 88 key, weighted key 
version of the ASR.

     Remember that on eBay you can search for items closest to you.  So I would do a search 
for "keyboard, Yamaha" and then "sort by location, closest."   Avoiding the shipping cost 
can help save $100 bucks or so.  Also, if there are problems with the instrument you can 
hunt down the punk that sold it to you.

        Gotta go to work,

            Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, BRAD CHAPMAN <advanced2@...> wrote:

>
> hey whats up everyone, need some help.. looking to purchase a midi  
> keyboard, not looking to break the bank but at the same time I am  
> willing to spend more if the product at the second level price range  
> is a smarter purchase. Does anyone have advice, I have looked at them  
> all, read countless conflicting internet reviews and looked at some  
> with my own eyes and hands. I was wondering about the Edirol's around  
> 220$ the e-mu around the same price, or the m-audio oxygen 8 @ 150 
> $.... just starting out writing in logic and the program is complex 4  
> me already so I don't really want to add to the confusion, I simple  
> want to start writing beats more efficiently and with as little  
> growing pains as possible. Thank you so much, from a beat junkie to  
> the rest.. Also is the ozonic that much more dope than the less  
> expensive midi keyboards the offer, or does the price reflect the  
> express version of reason it comes with?
> PEACE and thanks again
> On May 22, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
> 
> > Serato's is easier because it doesn't have the weird control window  
> > thingy.  But all that does is offer extra functionality, so feature  
> > by feature, they're pretty much the same because they use the pre- 
> > existing logic interface.
> >
> > However, Izotrope's is way slower to render.
> >
> >  I've got to figure out the harmonic correction though.  It would  
> > be hard to believe that Pitch in Time lacks that feature, and I  
> > would hope that Radius works better than my experience last night  
> > showed.  Without harmonic correction, neither would be of any use  
> > to me.
> >
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> > On May 22, 2006, at 5:08 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:
> >
> >> What do you think about the ease of use of the two programs?
> >
>