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Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-11 by Man Parrish

Hey Guys,

Anyone own or have experience with the Waves SSL 4000 Plug in, that emulates the channel 
strips from the big SSL boards ?  I got a 7 day demo, but went thru hell activating it, and it 
returned as a zero day activation, so I can't really test it out. It's a $750 plug-in, so I'm a little 
cautious, obviously. 

I see all kinds of reviews online, but most mimic the details word for word from the Waves 
site. If anyone actually uses it in Logic, any feed back would be great !  Also is it only "seen" 
by Logic and Pro Tools and Peak, or can any AU/Vst host see it as well [Live, Cubase, etc].

Thanks in advance !

-Man Parrish
http://www.ManParrish.com

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-11 by Fernstudio

Hi Man,

I have it.  I think that it is great.  I'm still getting used to the 
way the compressor and expander work in the channel strip but it comes 
with some good presets as starting points and has been solid for me in 
Logic.  Any host that is compatible with AU or VST will be able to load 
it.  For that kind of money, I really don't think that you should rely 
on user feedback strictly.  Have you tried requesting from Waves some 
additional time?  Don't know how accomodating they would be but one 
would hope that they would give you a 7 day extension on you iLok.

Fernstudio
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On 11-Dec-06, at 7:09 AM, Man Parrish wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> Anyone own or have experience with the Waves SSL 4000 Plug in, that 
> emulates the channel
> strips from the big SSL boards ?  I got a 7 day demo, but went thru 
> hell activating it, and it
> returned as a zero day activation, so I can't really test it out. It's 
> a $750 plug-in, so I'm a little
> cautious, obviously.
>
> I see all kinds of reviews online, but most mimic the details word for 
> word from the Waves
> site. If anyone actually uses it in Logic, any feed back would be 
> great !  Also is it only "seen"
> by Logic and Pro Tools and Peak, or can any AU/Vst host see it as well 
> [Live, Cubase, etc].
>
> Thanks in advance !
>
> -Man Parrish
> http://www.ManParrish.com
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-11 by GAmoore@aol.com

I don't have the SSL but I have the Gold Bundle and Ren Bundles, and its the 
most lengthy process. By the way, I think I am going to sell these if anyone 
is interested.

As for vintage comps and eqs did you try the Liquid Mix by Focusrite? Its 
quite a deal.


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Re: Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-12 by Erik Häusler

"As for vintage comps and eqs did you try the Liquid Mix by  
Focusrite? Its quite a deal."

The SSL bundle is in the first plug-in I´ve heard that actually has a  
sound. It creates that magic je-ne-sais-quoi that you normally spend  
the family fortune on analog eqipment to get. It transforms the sound  
in my ears, and I don´t understand how. It´s the ghost in the machine  
that does it. Sounds like a pretty fair deal compared to what I spent  
on it...
But as GA stated, you have to give Liquid Mix (at roughly the same  
money) a listen too. I haven´t tried it, but it was recommended to me  
by a guy who´s engineering at a Studio/mastering facility without  
compromise: 72ch Neve console and an endless array of pristine  
equipment.
All the best of luck now. Get out there and give´em a listen!

/Erik

2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.7 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.1cs7, L7.2.2, (waves  
platinum, ssl & guitar amp bundles a.o.)
_______________________________
Erik Häusler
Future Love Productions AB
erikhausler@...





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Re: Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-12 by Man Parrish

Hey Guys...

Thanx for the replies. Waves won't extend the trial period. Sweetwater is offering a 1 year 
no interest, no payments on their internal credit card, with instant approval. Yes... I know, 
another card.. But it made it easy for me to get it, so I did...yikes ! Within a half hour of 
purchasing the SSL 4000 plug-in, they emailed me my serial number.  I downloaded the 
plug-in off the waves site and authorized online, in 3 minutes I was up and running. Really 
smooth way to go !

My first impressions:

I of course threw up a few old mixes and stayed up half the night tweaking tracks and 
getting a feel for the plug-in. I've mixed on SSL boards before, and my first impression is 
WOW ! It definitely had that "hit making SSL analog sound" that you hear on major records. 
They apparently worked on this for over a year to get it exact, and I think it's completely 
on the mark !

The plug in [ like the board ] adds a slight 'color' to your tracks which is a good thing if 
you like that analog/warm saturation sound. In fact, if you drive the plug-in a little hard, it  
totally imitates the hardware version and produces a warm, smooth distortion that is 
actually pleasant in certain situations, like overdriving bass or drums. Also the [like the SSL 
board] the eq's are quite 'musically pleasant' with out sounding too harsh at extreme 
settings.  I have a maxed out G5 tower and Intel 17" powerbook pro for the road. Both 
versions [ppc and intel] ran fine. On the intel side, I had about 10 stereo instances running 
on various tracks, along with the "famous" master bus compressor and it barely hit the 
CPU processor meter... nice !

Did I get a $250,000 SSL board for the price of a $750 plug in ? Hmmm... maybe. Sounds 
pretty damn close on first impression ! Funny, I actually modified my Autoload mixer to be 
more "SSL-like" with the audio strips to the left, master fader in the center and busses, 
instruments to the right. [I can dream, can't I ...?  lol]

If you have an i-Lok dongle, you can get a 7 day trial from waves. I had a nightmare with 
it, but I did completely wipe out the install [hidden files too] and re-installed which 
probably trashed the 7 day authorization. It's definitely worth the trial to check it out. If 
you're not familiar with thay 'old skool' analog sound, you might be a bit confused at what 
all the hype is about on this plug-in. But if you crave that warmth and awsome punch in 
your tracks that you hear on records, this is off the hook.  Gee... they should be paying me 
for all this good hype... lol.

The demo and info is available at waves.com. Oh yeah, they throw in a chunk of presets 
from mix master Chris Lord Alge [and I thought my name was weird..] which are great 
starting points to twark your tracks.

Thanx for letting me bend your ear, I'd be curious about tips and comments from others 
that either try the demo, or have the plugin.

Thanx again [love this logic group!]

-Man Parrish
http://www.ManParrish.com






--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, "Man Parrish" <realnyc@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
> 
> Anyone own or have experience with the Waves SSL 4000 Plug in, that emulates the 
channel 
> strips from the big SSL boards ?  I got a 7 day demo, but went thru hell activating it, and 
it 
> returned as a zero day activation, so I can't really test it out. It's a $750 plug-in, so I'm a 
little 
> cautious, obviously. 
> 
> I see all kinds of reviews online, but most mimic the details word for word from the 
Waves 
> site. If anyone actually uses it in Logic, any feed back would be great !  Also is it only 
"seen" 
> by Logic and Pro Tools and Peak, or can any AU/Vst host see it as well [Live, Cubase, 
etc].
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> 
> Thanks in advance !
> 
> -Man Parrish
> http://www.ManParrish.com
>

Re: Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-12 by Man Parrish

Eric..

I didn't know Focusrite had that available.. gotta check that out too.  Thanx for the tip, I'll 
give it a spin if they have a demo..!

-Man Parrish


--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Erik Häusler <erikhausler@...> wrote:
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>
> "As for vintage comps and eqs did you try the Liquid Mix by  
> Focusrite? Its quite a deal."
> 
> The SSL bundle is in the first plug-in I´ve heard that actually has a  
> sound. It creates that magic je-ne-sais-quoi that you normally spend  
> the family fortune on analog eqipment to get. It transforms the sound  
> in my ears, and I don´t understand how. It´s the ghost in the machine  
> that does it. Sounds like a pretty fair deal compared to what I spent  
> on it...
> But as GA stated, you have to give Liquid Mix (at roughly the same  
> money) a listen too. I haven´t tried it, but it was recommended to me  
> by a guy who´s engineering at a Studio/mastering facility without  
> compromise: 72ch Neve console and an endless array of pristine  
> equipment.
> All the best of luck now. Get out there and give´em a listen!
> 
> /Erik
> 
> 2x1.8, 4Gb RAM, OSX 10.4.7 PPC,HD Accel 3, PT 7.1cs7, L7.2.2, (waves  
> platinum, ssl & guitar amp bundles a.o.)
> _______________________________
> Erik Häusler
> Future Love Productions AB
> erikhausler@...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-12 by Man Parrish

Hey GA,

I checked out Liquid Mix by Focusrite. It seems like it's a hardware-software combo. Am I 
reading that right ? If so, a demo isn't available without the 'box'. But it says is 'emulates" all 
kinds of eq's and compressors.. nice !  I'll dig a bit further and thanx for the tip off.

-Man Parrish

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, GAmoore@... wrote:>
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> I don't have the SSL but I have the Gold Bundle and Ren Bundles, and its the 
> most lengthy process. By the way, I think I am going to sell these if anyone 
> is interested.
> 
> As for vintage comps and eqs did you try the Liquid Mix by Focusrite? Its 
> quite a deal.
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [Logic_Cafe] Re: Waves Plug-in Question [Before I Spend $750] on the SSL 4000

2006-12-12 by GAmoore@aol.com

> Waves won't extend the trial period. 
> 
You might be able to install on another computer or another bootable hard 
disk.

> Sweetwater is offering a 1 year
> no interest, no payments on their internal credit card, with instant 
> approval. Yes... I know,
> another card.. But it made it easy for me to get it, so I did...yikes ! 
> Within a half hour of
> purchasing the SSL 4000 plug-in, they emailed me my serial number. I 
> downloaded the
> plug-in off the waves site and authorized online, in 3 minutes I was up and 
> running. Really
> smooth way to go !
> 
You didn't have to register on the waves site, then do the ilock 
authorization authorizor?


> The plug in [ like the board ] adds a slight 'color' to your tracks which 
> is a good thing if
> you like that analog/warm saturation sound. In fact, if you drive the 
> plug-in a little hard, it
> totally imitates the hardware version and produces a warm, smooth distortion 
> that is
> actually pleasant in certain situations, like overdriving bass or drums. 
> 

Sounds good. Maybe you can post some audio examples to the Logic Cafe site 
(before and after). I can put some garageband examples up too.

How much was it? $600-$700?


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