Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

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What is the upgrade price from Logic 7? they have give an upgrade price 
of $199 from Logic 5 or 6.

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I don't think there is an upgrade price from 7...
Notice that Logic Studio is HALF the price of Logic Pro 7....



On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:36 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> What is the upgrade price from Logic 7? they have give an upgrade  
> price
> of $199 from Logic 5 or 6.
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> What is the upgrade price from Logic 7? they have give an upgrade  
> price of $199 from Logic 5 or 6.

Once you put it on the shopping cart, it says "Logic Studio Upgrade
from Logic Platinum/Gold 5,6,7".

I don't think there'll be any price cuts, since $499 full and $199
upgrade are good prices, compared to what it was before.

Marcelo

Actually, the side of my Logic Studio box says "Upgrade from 5, 6 or 7".

-Michele

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  I don't think there is an upgrade price from 7...
  Notice that Logic Studio is HALF the price of Logic Pro 7....

  On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:36 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

  > What is the upgrade price from Logic 7? they have give an upgrade
  > price
  > of $199 from Logic 5 or 6.
  >
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  > Sent: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:03 pm
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  >
  > http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/logicpro/
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Logic 8;

200$ For nothing new under the hat!

I won�t upgrade folks!

Surround improvement?  I do techno not the soundtrack for Rambo 7...

Steal!

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Not worth it.
Definitely not worth it.
They are simply just trying to have something new on the line for Logic to accompany the new iMacs, the new iPods Touch, and even the prices for the iPhones are going down.
Don't buy.  They are just trying to sell.
If you want to be smart continue using Logic 7 - it's great, and in terms of new technologies wait for the multi touch iMac.  that would be something for us musicians.
Logic 8 is money thrown away.

 

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Same price for upgrade from 7.  They're just calling it Logic Pro.   
When I click on "purchase" I get the following upgrade info:

  Upgrade from Logic Pro or Logic Platinum/Gold 5 or 6     $199.00

I think that's roughly what the upgrade to Pro was.  Great deal for  
L5 and L6 owners though.  And the "new" price is impressively small.   
First the iPhone and now Logic Studio - they seem to be lowering  
prices on everything at Apple.  I smell a Trojan horse.

Gregory




On Sep 12, 2007, at 3:36 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> What is the upgrade price from Logic 7? they have give an upgrade  
> price
> of $199 from Logic 5 or 6.


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everything they are selling now is just low in price, because they will probably create a new operating system for the multi touch technologies, so everyone will get a  big SORRY in their face.
Let's suppose they will keep OS X, or any other native Mac OS, the old macs, mac book pros, etc.  will become useless.  
In terms of logic, wait to see what they will charge for the Logic Multi Touch.
There is no Trojan horse there, is it?  We will all be hurting our pockets if we want to "KEEP UP" with the industry.  Right?
Be smart.  Understand the market.
Don't buy.  That way they will introduce the real good stuff sooner.  They will get the point.   The point is:
WE ARE NOT INTERESTED.

 

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What an arrogant A-hole. Just because the upgrade is not right for  
YOU, doesn't mean it's not totally amazing for other people. Wake up,  
your not the center of the universe.

DB
On Sep 12, 2007, at 7:40 PM, Adrian Borcea wrote:

> everything they are selling now is just low in price, because they  
> will probably create a new operating system for the multi touch  
> technologies, so everyone will get a big SORRY in their face.
> Let's suppose they will keep OS X, or any other native Mac OS, the  
> old macs, mac book pros, etc. will become useless.
> In terms of logic, wait to see what they will charge for the Logic  
> Multi Touch.
> There is no Trojan horse there, is it? We will all be hurting our  
> pockets if we want to "KEEP UP" with the industry. Right?
> Be smart. Understand the market.
> Don't buy. That way they will introduce the real good stuff sooner.  
> They will get the point. The point is:
> WE ARE NOT INTERESTED.
>
> Adrian Borcea
>
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While the sound engine and other major fatures might not have improved
a lot, for me the Mainstage feature and a better audio editing
interface are worth the $200.

I use Logic to play live, and tipically I would rewire Logic tracks to
Live because of the good control I had in their interface. Now,
apparently, that can be done within Logic.

My opinion only.

What exactly does Mainstage do? Is that just the unified arrange window?

I am a bit dissapointed - especially after waiting several years for an major 
improvement - only to get a very minimal upgrade, and be asked to pay 40% of 
the full price - after spending $1500 or more over the years on upgrades. 
Couldn't they throw in a new instrument, an improved busing scheme, etc?



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Hi,

On 12-Sep-07, at 10:02 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> What exactly does Mainstage do? Is that just the unified arrange  
> window?
>
> I am a bit dissapointed - especially after waiting several years  
> for an major
> improvement - only to get a very minimal upgrade, and be asked to  
> pay 40% of
> the full price - after spending $1500 or more over the years on  
> upgrades.
> Couldn't they throw in a new instrument, an improved busing scheme,  
> etc?

Well, one of the things that I remember people asking for on the LUG  
was for a simpler interface more like ProTools.  They've simplified  
the interface by having the one window to do most of your work in (or  
if you want - you can still use screensets).  Better take management  
was another thing that was requested on the lists too.  They've  
delivered there also and the quick-swipe comping looks great.  Sample- 
accurate editing in the arrange window, snap-to-transient selection,  
etc. is also an improvement.  Now, AU effects can be used on Nodes too.

There is additional content from samples and sounds to loops.  Also,  
Mainstage is completely new and they've thrown in a better audio  
editor with Soundtrack Pro too.  Mainstage is, I believe, a little  
bit like Brainspawn's Forte (for the PC) which you can use as a live  
performance rack hosting your AU instruments with plugin effects.  If  
I'm not mistaken Mainstage can process live inputs too (although I'm  
not positive - lots to read right now).  There's also the surround  
stuff, but I'm with the others on that one - I don't currently work  
in surround so it doesn't provide much benefit to me.

I don't know, but to me, it looks like there is a lot of value for  
the $199 upgrade price.  These things just might not have much value  
for you and that is fine.  I do not see it really as a minimal  
upgrade.  Re-working the interface probably took some time even  
though the improvements are seen in workflow. While maybe there  
aren't new instruments or an improved bussing scheme, improved  
workflow is a big one IMHO that can save lots of time (time is money  
right?).

Anyway, to each their own.  My upgrade is already ordered.

Fernstudio

I ordered mine two minutes after finding out how to order it from the
web site! --Kent

I drove the few miles to the apple store when I heard the news and Im  
enjoying my new software. This is not a minor upgrade. Too many  
improvements beyond those shown on the apple site to list. I think  
they have been listening to user groups and their customers. Not many  
new plugs but a lot of the little fixes and work flow improvements  
that make apple software just better. No dongle and running on my  
powerbook and dual 1.8 G5 with no issues.

On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Kent Sandvik wrote:

> I ordered mine two minutes after finding out how to order it from the
> web site! --Kent



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On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Hans Greuber wrote:

> I do techno not the soundtrack for Rambo 7...

I thought the soundtrack for Rambo 7 *was* techno!!!!

(I do techno too- I'm still impressed with Logic 8)



Eddie
IMS ProA/V



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On Sep 13, 2007, at 1:02 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> What exactly does Mainstage do? Is that just the unified arrange  
> window?

No it's a totally seperate application from Logic designed for live  
performance hosting of AU's and effects. In other words if you want  
to play guitar in a Band and use Guitar Amp Pro and some other  
effects, you do not need to have a Logic Session open.


>
>
> I am a bit dissapointed - especially after waiting several years  
> for an major
> improvement - only to get a very minimal upgrade, and be asked to  
> pay 40% of
> the full price - after spending $1500 or more over the years on  
> upgrades.
> Couldn't they throw in a new instrument, an improved busing scheme,  
> etc?

They have thrown in quite a bit. I would review more carefully the  
information on the Apple site, there are numerous performance  
enhancements and content additions. Whether those are worth the  
nominal upgrade price *to you* is subjective, but I know plenty who  
have already ordered their upgrades and full versions.


Eddie
IMS ProA/V



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Eddie Sullivan wrote:
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 1:02 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
>> What exactly does Mainstage do? Is that just the unified arrange  
>> window?
> 
> No it's a totally seperate application from Logic designed for live  
> performance hosting of AU's and effects. In other words if you want  
> to play guitar in a Band and use Guitar Amp Pro and some other  
> effects, you do not need to have a Logic Session open.
> 
> 

Hmm sounds like it could be AULab on steroids maybe??

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>I think the lowered price is to compete with the other software 
daws. As many of us know Logic Pro comes with a lot of things that 
the other software daws didn't have but the price of Logic Pro was 
so much more than the other software daws that it made it hard to 
market the software even though it includes a lot in it. As for the 
changes I think they made that to accomodate the newbies that are 
venturing out into music production with Logic and to challenge some 
of the other major softwares that have a more simple vibe to them 
like Ableton Live. Sometimes when a newbie is starting out we don't 
know where to start. At first Logic was a little intimidating 
because it has so many features that you don't know how to use that 
you can feel overwhelmed. I think Apple listened to the users and 
made changes that they feel will increase the chances of people 
using their software for productions. I am curious, cautious, and 
excited about the new Logic Pro 8. I'm leaning towards upgrading. 

Just my take on things,

Stephen
> 
> On Sep 13, 2007, at 1:02 AM, GAmoore@... wrote:
> 
> > What exactly does Mainstage do? Is that just the unified 
arrange  
> > window?
> 
> No it's a totally seperate application from Logic designed for 
live  
> performance hosting of AU's and effects. In other words if you 
want  
> to play guitar in a Band and use Guitar Amp Pro and some other  
> effects, you do not need to have a Logic Session open.
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > I am a bit dissapointed - especially after waiting several 
years  
> > for an major
> > improvement - only to get a very minimal upgrade, and be asked 
to  
> > pay 40% of
> > the full price - after spending $1500 or more over the years on  
> > upgrades.
> > Couldn't they throw in a new instrument, an improved busing 
scheme,  
> > etc?
> 
> They have thrown in quite a bit. I would review more carefully 
the  
> information on the Apple site, there are numerous performance  
> enhancements and content additions. Whether those are worth the  
> nominal upgrade price *to you* is subjective, but I know plenty 
who  

> have already ordered their upgrades and full versions.
> 
> 
> Eddie
> IMS ProA/V
> 
> 
> 
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>

Hi Gregory and all,

> What exactly does Mainstage do? Is that just the unified arrange window?

As far as I can tell (and those already using L8 can correct me), it
is a tool geared to performance, more than mixing/arranging. It seems
from the videos and description that you can have the set of
parameters you'd like mapped to whatever knobs you want. It resembles
Live's control panels. You can see your knobs, sliders, and pedals in
action, and other information about the patch you're using.
Furthermore, as a guitar player, for instance, you can have your
effects switches and knobs on the screen and toggle/manipulate themm
from a control surface of a floor board controller.

I don't know if you need to have Logic running behind it or if you can
create tracks/patches and open them as channel strips in the mixer to
the right of the Mainstage window. If it can run separate from Logic,
therefore not biting too much memory, it's certainly a highly valuable
tool. 

The clumsiness of Logic when it comes to live performance was a common
complain, and I guess Apple has paid some serious attention to that.
Especially when Live 5 came out and it could do it 100 better than
Logic. Actually, that's what I was doing, using Logic's synths but
controlling everything from Live, at great CPU expense. Perhaps I
won't need that anymore?? :)

Marcelo