Apple Logic Pro /LogicExpress Discussion

I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a showed  
me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the  
beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses  
some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out.  In other words,  
after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much  
cleaner.  It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring  
them to CD.  I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are  
so dirty, it's horrible.

Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's  
samplers or plug-ins?



Tim McLane
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On 11 Aug 2008, at 21:56, Tim McLane wrote:

> I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a showed
> me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses
> some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other words,
> after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring
> them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are
> so dirty, it's horrible.
>
> Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> samplers or plug-ins?
>
Doesn't strip silence in the audio menu do this? It has made a  
tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case, so give it a  
go. It takes a few attempts to get the parameters right, though

Andy B

Logic has a Denoiser under "Specialized" menu, but I haven't had  
great results with it.  I use Wave Arts' Master Restoration (MR)  
Suite for my speech research stuff and have had great results with  
it.  I don't know the mechanism used by Logic's built-in denoiser,  
but MR Noise functions kind of like a multiband compressor/gate with  
a learn function so it knows what frequency bands to gate/attenuate  
at what thresholds.  I'm pretty sure both are very different from  
what your engineer friend does.

The built-in Match EQ has a learn function, so you could use that to  
create a frequency response curve that negates the spectrum of the  
noise.  I've never used it for that purpose, but have used it to try  
to emulate the spectrum of a voice or a mix, and have never come up  
with anything usable.

I am not the most informed on this topic, but I don't know of any  
noise reduction plugins that use a phase inversion technique like you  
mention, but if you just want to repair noisy recordings, I would  
recommend something like Master Restoration, regardless of the method  
used.

Good luck,

Gregory

On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

> I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a showed
> me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses
> some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other words,
> after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring
> them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are
> so dirty, it's horrible.
>
> Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> samplers or plug-ins?
>
> Tim McLane
> timmclane@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Izotope RX and Bias Sooundsoap also do noise reduction.


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So does SoundtrackPro, quite nicely, incidentally.

On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:46 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Izotope RX and Bias Sooundsoap also do noise reduction.



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Thanks, everyone for you ideas.

Andy: /Regarding strip silence, when you say  "It has made a
>
> tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case,.." ----are you  
> referring to noise reduction?


t



On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Andrew Brook wrote:

>
> On 11 Aug 2008, at 21:56, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a  
> showed
> > me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> > beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses
> > some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other  
> words,
> > after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> > cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring
> > them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are
> > so dirty, it's horrible.
> >
> > Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> > samplers or plug-ins?
> >
> Doesn't strip silence in the audio menu do this? It has made a
> tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case, so give it a
> go. It takes a few attempts to get the parameters right, though
>
> Andy B
>
> 

Tim McLane
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Hey Greg,

Do you have a website for Master Restoration?

t


On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:

> Logic has a Denoiser under "Specialized" menu, but I haven't had
> great results with it. I use Wave Arts' Master Restoration (MR)
> Suite for my speech research stuff and have had great results with
> it. I don't know the mechanism used by Logic's built-in denoiser,
> but MR Noise functions kind of like a multiband compressor/gate with
> a learn function so it knows what frequency bands to gate/attenuate
> at what thresholds. I'm pretty sure both are very different from
> what your engineer friend does.
>
> The built-in Match EQ has a learn function, so you could use that to
> create a frequency response curve that negates the spectrum of the
> noise. I've never used it for that purpose, but have used it to try
> to emulate the spectrum of a voice or a mix, and have never come up
> with anything usable.
>
> I am not the most informed on this topic, but I don't know of any
> noise reduction plugins that use a phase inversion technique like you
> mention, but if you just want to repair noisy recordings, I would
> recommend something like Master Restoration, regardless of the method
> used.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Gregory
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a  
> showed
> > me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> > beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses
> > some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other  
> words,
> > after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> > cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring
> > them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are
> > so dirty, it's horrible.
> >
> > Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> > samplers or plug-ins?
> >
> > Tim McLane
> > timmclane@...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 

Tim McLane
timmclane@...





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Do you have any experience using them?


t



On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:46 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> Izotope RX and Bias Sooundsoap also do noise reduction.
>
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In your experience, is Soundtrack pro's noise redux better than any of  
the others mentioned in this last exchange?

t




On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:59 PM, David Coffin wrote:

> So does SoundtrackPro, quite nicely, incidentally.
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 5:46 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:
>
> > Izotope RX and Bias Sooundsoap also do noise reduction.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 

Tim McLane
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http://wavearts.com/products/suites/master-restoration/

They have a 30-day trial.

I am a preset user (read: not a fader tweaker), and having been using  
the "Light Clean" setting to get rid of the "white" noise that is  
killing audio I pulled off a camcorder tape.  MR Noise also has  
settings for LPs and Cassettes.  I have read online, and it has  
proven to be the case with my own use, that you get better reduction  
with fewer artifacts if you do 2 or more passes on material using  
light noise reduction than trying to get it all with a heavy dose in  
one pass.

Good luck.

Gregory


On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

> Hey Greg,
>
> Do you have a website for Master Restoration?
>
> t
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
>
> > Logic has a Denoiser under "Specialized" menu, but I haven't had
> > great results with it. I use Wave Arts' Master Restoration (MR)
> > Suite for my speech research stuff and have had great results with
> > it. I don't know the mechanism used by Logic's built-in denoiser,
> > but MR Noise functions kind of like a multiband compressor/gate with
> > a learn function so it knows what frequency bands to gate/attenuate
> > at what thresholds. I'm pretty sure both are very different from
> > what your engineer friend does.
> >
> > The built-in Match EQ has a learn function, so you could use that to
> > create a frequency response curve that negates the spectrum of the
> > noise. I've never used it for that purpose, but have used it to try
> > to emulate the spectrum of a voice or a mix, and have never come up
> > with anything usable.
> >
> > I am not the most informed on this topic, but I don't know of any
> > noise reduction plugins that use a phase inversion technique like  
> you
> > mention, but if you just want to repair noisy recordings, I would
> > recommend something like Master Restoration, regardless of the  
> method
> > used.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Gregory
> >
> > On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> >
> > > I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a
> > showed
> > > me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> > > beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then  
> uses
> > > some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other
> > words,
> > > after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> > > cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when  
> transferring
> > > them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and  
> they are
> > > so dirty, it's horrible.
> > >
> > > Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> > > samplers or plug-ins?
> > >
> > > Tim McLane
> > > timmclane@...
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> Tim McLane
> timmclane@...
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 



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Sorry, I don't know. I stopped looking after I tried ST. I did  
download the trial version of RX and didn't like it overall as well,  
but that may have been because I found it much more complex as well as  
no better after a quick test; I can't say I tested thoroughly... ST is  
really easy, and powerful. Noise reduction isn't a process you want to  
linger over.
dc


On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Tim McLane wrote:

> In your experience, is Soundtrack pro's noise redux better than any of
> the others mentioned in this last exchange?



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--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:
>
> I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a showed  
> me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the  
> beginning of the track or sample...
> Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's  
> samplers or plug-ins?
> 
> 

Tim,

If you have Logic Studio, I'll recommend opening the file in
Soundtrack Pro. Select a decent size sample of the noise, then go
Process > Noise Reduction > Set Noise Print
then the same menu for Reduce Noise.

It does take some tweaking, and it may require a tradeoff, to whatever
extent the noise coincides with some frequencies in the audio you want.

(I get the Digest, so excuse me if someone's already posted this point.)

Good luck.

chuck bryant

Thank you!!
On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:40 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:

> http://wavearts.com/products/suites/master-restoration/
>
> They have a 30-day trial.
>
> I am a preset user (read: not a fader tweaker), and having been using
> the "Light Clean" setting to get rid of the "white" noise that is
> killing audio I pulled off a camcorder tape. MR Noise also has
> settings for LPs and Cassettes. I have read online, and it has
> proven to be the case with my own use, that you get better reduction
> with fewer artifacts if you do 2 or more passes on material using
> light noise reduction than trying to get it all with a heavy dose in
> one pass.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Gregory
>
> On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > Hey Greg,
> >
> > Do you have a website for Master Restoration?
> >
> > t
> >
> > On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:33 PM, Gregory Anderson wrote:
> >
> > > Logic has a Denoiser under "Specialized" menu, but I haven't had
> > > great results with it. I use Wave Arts' Master Restoration (MR)
> > > Suite for my speech research stuff and have had great results with
> > > it. I don't know the mechanism used by Logic's built-in denoiser,
> > > but MR Noise functions kind of like a multiband compressor/gate  
> with
> > > a learn function so it knows what frequency bands to gate/ 
> attenuate
> > > at what thresholds. I'm pretty sure both are very different from
> > > what your engineer friend does.
> > >
> > > The built-in Match EQ has a learn function, so you could use  
> that to
> > > create a frequency response curve that negates the spectrum of the
> > > noise. I've never used it for that purpose, but have used it to  
> try
> > > to emulate the spectrum of a voice or a mix, and have never come  
> up
> > > with anything usable.
> > >
> > > I am not the most informed on this topic, but I don't know of any
> > > noise reduction plugins that use a phase inversion technique like
> > you
> > > mention, but if you just want to repair noisy recordings, I would
> > > recommend something like Master Restoration, regardless of the
> > method
> > > used.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > >
> > > Gregory
> > >
> > > On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:56 PM, Tim McLane wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a
> > > showed
> > > > me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> > > > beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then
> > uses
> > > > some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other
> > > words,
> > > > after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> > > > cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when
> > transferring
> > > > them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and
> > they are
> > > > so dirty, it's horrible.
> > > >
> > > > Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of  
> Logic's
> > > > samplers or plug-ins?
> > > >
> > > > Tim McLane
> > > > timmclane@...
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Tim McLane
> > timmclane@...
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
> 

Tim McLane
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Thank you sooooo much!  I'll try it this instant!

Regards,



t



On Aug 11, 2008, at 9:33 PM, cb50dc wrote:

> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Tim McLane <timmclane@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a  
> showed
> > me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> > beginning of the track or sample...
> > Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> > samplers or plug-ins?
> >
> >
>
> Tim,
>
> If you have Logic Studio, I'll recommend opening the file in
> Soundtrack Pro. Select a decent size sample of the noise, then go
> Process > Noise Reduction > Set Noise Print
> then the same menu for Reduce Noise.
>
> It does take some tweaking, and it may require a tradeoff, to whatever
> extent the noise coincides with some frequencies in the audio you  
> want.
>
> (I get the Digest, so excuse me if someone's already posted this  
> point.)
>
> Good luck.
>
> chuck bryant
>
>
> 

Tim McLane
timmclane@...





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I never used any of these. You can use "strip silence" or a gate to eliminate 
all of the noise during the gaps. Those noise reduction programs or plugins 
try to get rid of noise during the music or speech too. I am sure its 
impossible to do this perfectly. You can also try using EQ to cut out some noise - as a 
"poor mans" method. In any event, I have never tried to get rid of noise 
other then striping silence, using gates, or the marquee tool to manually cut 
stuff out.


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thats easy enough to do. Take a bit of pure noise without any music/speech. 
Create a new file from the same region. In the sample editor, reverse the 
phase. Then loop it infinitely against the audio. In theory it should cancel out 
the noise, but I doubt it will work extremely well - because the noise is 
fluctuating somewhat randomly. If the materials is speech, you can take an eq and 
cut out any frequencies below the lowest speech note, and maybe put a dip in the 
higher end hiss area too. All that for free without buying anything ..,. or 
use Soundtrack as someone suggested. If those don't work, see if there are 
trials of Bias Soundsoap, or Izotope RX, etc. I think Waves has something too - 
but Waves is always really expensive, hard to install, then has insanely high 
subscription fees for updates.

> 
> I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a showed
> me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses
> some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other words,
> after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring
> them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are
> so dirty, it's horrible.
> 
> Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> samplers or plug-ins?
> 
> 
> 




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On 12 Aug 2008, at 04:22, Tim McLane wrote:

> Thanks, everyone for you ideas.
>
> Andy: /Regarding strip silence, when you say "It has made a
> >
> > tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case,.." ----are you
> > referring to noise reduction?
>
I'm referring to the slight background hiss that I get when importing  
audio files (I don't record direct to logic, for a variety of  
reasons). After a few tracks, the empty part of each track seems to  
build up a bit of background noise that you can hardly hear, but when  
you strip it away, everthing else becomes brighter.

I guess, from other responses, that this isn't your problem

Andy B

THIS was what I was looking for. This very good engineer that I have  
worked with for years does something like this and it's the best I've  
seen. But he has tons of endorsements and tons of gear.

I'll check it out.

In the interim, Soundtrack is working pretty well.

t
On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:04 PM, GAmoore@... wrote:

> thats easy enough to do. Take a bit of pure noise without any music/ 
> speech.
> Create a new file from the same region. In the sample editor,  
> reverse the
> phase. Then loop it infinitely against the audio. In theory it  
> should cancel out
> the noise, but I doubt it will work extremely well - because the  
> noise is
> fluctuating somewhat randomly. If the materials is speech, you can  
> take an eq and
> cut out any frequencies below the lowest speech note, and maybe put  
> a dip in the
> higher end hiss area too. All that for free without buying  
> anything ..,. or
> use Soundtrack as someone suggested. If those don't work, see if  
> there are
> trials of Bias Soundsoap, or Izotope RX, etc. I think Waves has  
> something too -
> but Waves is always really expensive, hard to install, then has  
> insanely high
> subscription fees for updates.
>
> >
> > I have a friend who is an audio engineer who explained to me a  
> showed
> > me that to clean up some recordings, he samples the noise at the
> > beginning of the track or sample ---usually AC noise---and then uses
> > some kind of phase reversal to cancel that noise out. In other  
> words,
> > after this procedure, the noise is gone and the track is much
> > cleaner. It is even used on old 78 or 33 1/3rd LPs when transferring
> > them to CD. I do a lot of transfers from cassette to CD and they are
> > so dirty, it's horrible.
> >
> > Do we have or can we use anything like that in any one of Logic's
> > samplers or plug-ins?
> >
> >
> >
>
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Well, it sounds I committing some kind of audio sin because I do  
record directly to Logic.  But, yes, any kind of noise that I can get  
rid of cheaply is my issue.

Thanks.

PS: How do you record, if not directly to Logic?  ---and what is the  
reason for your decision?

t
On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Andrew Brook wrote:

>
> On 12 Aug 2008, at 04:22, Tim McLane wrote:
>
> > Thanks, everyone for you ideas.
> >
> > Andy: /Regarding strip silence, when you say "It has made a
> > >
> > > tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case,.." ----are  
> you
> > > referring to noise reduction?
> >
> I'm referring to the slight background hiss that I get when importing
> audio files (I don't record direct to logic, for a variety of
> reasons). After a few tracks, the empty part of each track seems to
> build up a bit of background noise that you can hardly hear, but when
> you strip it away, everthing else becomes brighter.
>
> I guess, from other responses, that this isn't your problem
>
> Andy B
>
> 

Tim McLane
timmclane@...





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Tim McLane writes: 

> Well, it sounds I committing some kind of audio sin because I do  
> record directly to Logic.  But, yes, any kind of noise that I can get  
> rid of cheaply is my issue. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> PS: How do you record, if not directly to Logic?  ---and what is the  
> reason for your decision?

I record my tracks onto a Roland KR15 digital grand, which has an amazing 
onboard synthesiser. It is easy to edit, and as I am only a keyboard player, 
it suits my limited skills in other areas. It has 16 tracks, which I then 
output as audio files and load up into Logic on cds. Moreover, I have to do 
this via the BOSS BR1600 recording studio, although I suspect that there 
must be a simple way of recording from the audio output on the digital piano 
directly to Logic, but I am using a macpro laptop and I doubt if the 
soundcard is up to it. 

Andy B 

> t
> On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Andrew Brook wrote: 
> 
>>
>> On 12 Aug 2008, at 04:22, Tim McLane wrote: 
>>
>> > Thanks, everyone for you ideas.
>> >
>> > Andy: /Regarding strip silence, when you say "It has made a
>> > >
>> > > tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case,.." ----are  
>> you
>> > > referring to noise reduction?
>> >
>> I'm referring to the slight background hiss that I get when importing
>> audio files (I don't record direct to logic, for a variety of
>> reasons). After a few tracks, the empty part of each track seems to
>> build up a bit of background noise that you can hardly hear, but when
>> you strip it away, everthing else becomes brighter. 
>>
>> I guess, from other responses, that this isn't your problem 
>>
>> Andy B 
>>
>> 
> 
> Tim McLane
> timmclane@... 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 
>

IC.

Thanks!

t
On Aug 12, 2008, at 5:54 AM, Andy Brook wrote:

> Tim McLane writes:
>
> > Well, it sounds I committing some kind of audio sin because I do
> > record directly to Logic. But, yes, any kind of noise that I can get
> > rid of cheaply is my issue.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > PS: How do you record, if not directly to Logic? ---and what is the
> > reason for your decision?
>
> I record my tracks onto a Roland KR15 digital grand, which has an  
> amazing
> onboard synthesiser. It is easy to edit, and as I am only a keyboard  
> player,
> it suits my limited skills in other areas. It has 16 tracks, which I  
> then
> output as audio files and load up into Logic on cds. Moreover, I  
> have to do
> this via the BOSS BR1600 recording studio, although I suspect that  
> there
> must be a simple way of recording from the audio output on the  
> digital piano
> directly to Logic, but I am using a macpro laptop and I doubt if the
> soundcard is up to it.
>
> Andy B
>
> > t
> > On Aug 12, 2008, at 12:13 AM, Andrew Brook wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 12 Aug 2008, at 04:22, Tim McLane wrote:
> >>
> >> > Thanks, everyone for you ideas.
> >> >
> >> > Andy: /Regarding strip silence, when you say "It has made a
> >> > >
> >> > > tremendous difference to my audio tracks in any case,.." ---- 
> are
> >> you
> >> > > referring to noise reduction?
> >> >
> >> I'm referring to the slight background hiss that I get when  
> importing
> >> audio files (I don't record direct to logic, for a variety of
> >> reasons). After a few tracks, the empty part of each track seems to
> >> build up a bit of background noise that you can hardly hear, but  
> when
> >> you strip it away, everthing else becomes brighter.
> >>
> >> I guess, from other responses, that this isn't your problem
> >>
> >> Andy B
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Tim McLane
> > timmclane@...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
> 

Tim McLane
timmclane@...





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I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as  
I wanted the track to fade out. However, Logic won't let me edit the  
file at all. It seems to be protected and I can't work out how to  
unprotect it. Going to the audio bin to unprotect there has no effect.

Can anyone help please?

Andy B

It may be the type of file it imported as, rather than some locking  
mechanism.  What does is say in the audio bin in the INFO column  
(View-Show File Info)?

Gregory

On Aug 21, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Andrew Brook wrote:

> I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as
> I wanted the track to fade out. However, Logic won't let me edit the
> file at all. It seems to be protected and I can't work out how to
> unprotect it. Going to the audio bin to unprotect there has no effect.
>
> Can anyone help please?
>
> Andy B
>
> 



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>   I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as
> I wanted the track to fade out. However, Logic won't let me edit the
> file at all. It seems to be protected and I can't work out how to
> unprotect it. Going to the audio bin to unprotect there has no effect.
> 
> Can anyone help please?
> 
> Andy B
> 
Did Logic import a copy of the file, or is it using the original?

Is the original on RW media, or read-only? If it resides on or was copied
from a CD or DVD, it may retain its read-only attribute, which you can
change using Get Info in the Finder.

 - PH 
   


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--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Brook <bbgrove@...> wrote:
>
>   I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as  
> I wanted the track to fade out. ...

Given my limited skills, I can barely call myself an amateur with
Logic, so this is one more thing I haven't run into (probably old hat
to the pros here). 

But -- can you not automate a fade and bounce?

chuck b

On 22 Aug 2008, at 21:07, cb50dc wrote:

> --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Brook <bbgrove@...> wrote:
> >
> > I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as
> > I wanted the track to fade out. ...
>
> Given my limited skills, I can barely call myself an amateur with
> Logic, so this is one more thing I haven't run into (probably old hat
> to the pros here).
>
> But -- can you not automate a fade and bounce?
>
>
That's what I am trying to do, but most of the options are shaded out  
so I can't do that. I tried going to Get Info as Paul suggested but  
still can't find out how to unblock it. It is my own recording too,  
so its not as if I protected it myself, although I did import in on a  
cd.

The other side of this problem is that my mac won't let me burn a cd  
from itunes as it thinks I am trying to steal music. I get a cd that  
will play on my dvd player but not on my stereo. Very frustrating

Andy B

Two ideas:

1.  In Real Time:  Set the output of the protected track to Bus 1-2.  Create a new stereo 
audio track and set the input to Bus 1-2.  Record arm the new (black trap) and see if you 
can copy the track that way.

2.  Pull the track into iTunes or Waveburner and burn an audio CD, once you do that I 
think you should be able to import that audio track off the CD.  

Let us know how this works out, I'm curious!

Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Paul Heitsch <Paul@...> wrote:

>
> >   I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as
> > I wanted the track to fade out. However, Logic won't let me edit the
> > file at all. It seems to be protected and I can't work out how to
> > unprotect it. Going to the audio bin to unprotect there has no effect.
> > 
> > Can anyone help please?
> > 
> > Andy B
> > 
> Did Logic import a copy of the file, or is it using the original?
> 
> Is the original on RW media, or read-only? If it resides on or was copied
> from a CD or DVD, it may retain its read-only attribute, which you can
> change using Get Info in the Finder.
> 
>  - PH 
>    
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Andy -
 
>  although I did import in on a
> cd.

I¹ll bet you dollars to donuts that¹s your problem. In the Get Info window,
look at the Ownership & Permissions at the bottom. Make sure that you have
permission to Read & Write, and pop open the Details menu to make sure
you¹re the owner, and your access is Read & Write. If that¹s not what it¹s
showing you, click the padlock next to the Owner: box (you¹ll probably be
prompted for your user password) and change it.

 - PH

You can go to the audio page, and then copy the audio file to your disk or 
another place on your disk. You can do a bunch of them en mass. Otherwise put 
them on the arrange page and bounce.


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you can automate levels, then bounce. turn on automation, ride the fader. the 
select the region to bounce - i usually ad a beat before and after also, then 
bounce.


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Thank you so much for all these answers. I am learning even from the  
ones that don't work. I found out that the audio file was not infact  
protected and that I was the owner (much to my surprise) through get  
info, but automating a fade and bouncing is the answer. I wish I  
could share the file but I am hoping to enter a competition with it  
where it must not have been previously shared.

cheers

Andy B

On 23 Aug 2008, at 08:22, GAmoore@... wrote:

> you can automate levels, then bounce. turn on automation, ride the  
> fader. the
> select the region to bounce - i usually ad a beat before and after  
> also, then
> bounce.
>
> **************
> It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your
> travel deal here.
>
> (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
>
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>
>
>

--- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Brook <bbgrove@...> wrote:
>
> 
> On 22 Aug 2008, at 21:07, cb50dc wrote:
> 
> > --- In Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Brook <bbgrove@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I just imported an MP3 to logic, importing it as an audio file, as
> > > I wanted the track to fade out. ...
> >
> > Given my limited skills, I can barely call myself an amateur with
> > Logic, so this is one more thing I haven't run into (probably old hat
> > to the pros here).
> >
> > But -- can you not automate a fade and bounce?
> >
> >
> That's what I am trying to do, but most of the options are shaded out  
> so I can't do that. ...

In addition to other solutions I've just read in the Digest (and I'm
glad you've solved it, if I understand correctly), another trick
(subject to legal considerations) that may come in handy is using an
app like Audio Hijack Pro or Wiretap to capture system audio. That'll
give you a completely new file (various formats). 

It's much less efficient, especially since it requires real-time
playback, but especially for short files it may do just the trick if
nothing else is working.

best,
chuck