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ProTools question -

ProTools question -

2009-01-17 by John Kilgour

As a pro video editor since 1992, I have been doing all of my post  
audio in Avid.  Last month, a a mix-to-pix job came in, so I did the  
whole feature film in Logic Pro/Final Cut Pro.  The job went  
flawlessly, and I was really impressed with Logic!  We had the  
premier at a local theater here in New York.  I was blown away.  So  
here is my question ---  what's the big deal with ProTools?  Am i  
missing something ...  it seems like Logic Pro can everything that  
ProTools can, do everything it can do...or, is there a specific  
reason to go the protools way over the logic way (aside from what the  
engineer knows how to use)?

John

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ProTools question -

2009-01-17 by Hanso

Hi John,

I have a great ProTools HD 2 system, and I still end up doing everything in Logic Pro  - I'm working on a major 6 epsiode BBC series now, where the Post people want ProTools sessions, so I either OMF out of Logic into ProTools, or submix stuff into audio lined up with the BITC, and drop that into ProTools session. ProTools 8 is a lot better than 7, but as somebody who has PT. Logic, and Digital Performer, I can tell you that IMHO Logic is the most stable, easiest to work with, and has the best workflow.

Colin Orr
http://www.janus-music.com
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Kilgour 
  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:30 PM
  Subject: [Logic_Cafe] ProTools question -


  As a pro video editor since 1992, I have been doing all of my post 
  audio in Avid. Last month, a a mix-to-pix job came in, so I did the 
  whole feature film in Logic Pro/Final Cut Pro. The job went 
  flawlessly, and I was really impressed with Logic! We had the 
  premier at a local theater here in New York. I was blown away. So 
  here is my question --- what's the big deal with ProTools? Am i 
  missing something ... it seems like Logic Pro can everything that 
  ProTools can, do everything it can do...or, is there a specific 
  reason to go the protools way over the logic way (aside from what the 
  engineer knows how to use)?

  John



   

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Re: ProTools question -

2009-01-17 by pete_buchwald

I run both Logic and Pro Tools.

Logic I love:

    - Space Designer
    - Other effects (exciter, delay designer, etc)
    - Comp swiping (yes I know this is in PT 8)
    - Guitar/Bass Amp
    - The virtual instruments!!!
    - Surround Sound out of the box
    - Bouncing "offline" (not in real-time) great for longer projects.
    
Pro Tools I use for:

    -Better DSP with compression and EQs (IMHO)
    -Beat detective (audio quantizing)
    - Audio sounds more smooth to me.

    Pete

--- In Logic_Cafe@...m, John Kilgour <john@...> wrote:
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>
> As a pro video editor since 1992, I have been doing all of my post  
> audio in Avid.  Last month, a a mix-to-pix job came in, so I did the  
> whole feature film in Logic Pro/Final Cut Pro.  The job went  
> flawlessly, and I was really impressed with Logic!  We had the  
> premier at a local theater here in New York.  I was blown away.  So  
> here is my question ---  what's the big deal with ProTools?  Am i  
> missing something ...  it seems like Logic Pro can everything that  
> ProTools can, do everything it can do...or, is there a specific  
> reason to go the protools way over the logic way (aside from what the  
> engineer knows how to use)?
> 
> John
>

Re: [Logic_Cafe] ProTools question -

2009-01-19 by Paul Heitsch

The big deal with ProTools boils down, I think, to its interface, which was
designed from the ground up to emulate the multi-track tape machines in use
when it first premiered, and its subsequent emergence as the ubiquitous DAW
for virtually all the big film/video post houses in the US. They were there
firstest with the mostest, and no one has come up with anything demonstrably
superior enough to supplant them. Everyone who uses PT wishes, at some
point, that Digi had a more enlightened approach to pricing, hardware, and
user support, but the bottom line is that their product is mature, stable,
and, for my money, the most intuitively designed DAW on the market.

That said, a this point, with feature sets of competing programs growing
more similar with each version, it¹s a question of which design approach you
are more used to, or appeals more to your personal aesthetic. I came to
Logic reluctantly after years of using ProTools, SoundForge, and
StudioVision. It¹s only with the most recent release of Logic that I¹ve
begun to feel that it is becoming elegant enough for me to take it seriously
as a mixing environment. And I still can¹t bring myself to do any extensive
audio editing with it. ProTools remains my first choice, hands down, for
multi-track audio editing/mixing. And I¹m still hoping that Gibson will pull
its head out of its descending colon long enough to resurrect StudioVision
for music composition. I do like Logic¹s workflow for composition and
project management, but after eight years of trying I still can¹t get my
head around its audio editing environment.

And, until they fix wait-for-note, Apple should absolutely refrain from
calling it a ³Pro² application.

MHO, of course.

 - Paul
 

> Hi John,
> 
> I have a great ProTools HD 2 system, and I still end up doing everything in
> Logic Pro  - I'm working on a major 6 epsiode BBC series now, where the Post
> people want ProTools sessions, so I either OMF out of Logic into ProTools, or
> submix stuff into audio lined up with the BITC, and drop that into ProTools
> session. ProTools 8 is a lot better than 7, but as somebody who has PT. Logic,
> and Digital Performer, I can tell you that IMHO Logic is the most stable,
> easiest to work with, and has the best workflow.
> 
> Colin Orr
> http://www.janus-music.com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: John Kilgour
>  To: Logic_Cafe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Logic_Cafe%40yahoogroups.com>
>  Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:30 PM
>  Subject: [Logic_Cafe] ProTools question -
> 
> As a pro video editor since 1992, I have been doing all of my post
>  audio in Avid. Last month, a a mix-to-pix job came in, so I did the
>  whole feature film in Logic Pro/Final Cut Pro. The job went
>  flawlessly, and I was really impressed with Logic! We had the
>  premier at a local theater here in New York. I was blown away. So
>  here is my question --- what's the big deal with ProTools? Am i
>  missing something ... it seems like Logic Pro can everything that
>  ProTools can, do everything it can do...or, is there a specific
>  reason to go the protools way over the logic way (aside from what the
>  engineer knows how to use)?
> 
> John



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Re: [Logic_Cafe] ProTools question -

2009-01-19 by GAmoore@aol.com

Protools seems to be quite finicky in which hardware and drives it will work 
with. PT is good at audio, but it lacking in almost every other way compared 
to Logic - particularly midi, notation, etc. With PT you get two views - track 
and mixer (I last used it at version 6 le) where as Logic has dozens of 
screens. PT is the standard in tv/movies but I think some of the movie pro's are 
using Nuendo too. And I think Logic is sorta the standard in music production 
these days. most of the people doing PT for music are recording rock bands or 
hiphop I suspect.


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